let's talk about money... .

[corrado65]

hi, in this historical phase I think it is important to think of something new, I believe that you
can have all the chances to do it.thinking money now doesn't need it. I think that a work experience, even abroad, can serve you to decide whether to continue studying for the second level.

 

[stef_design]

hi, in this historical phase I think it is important to think of something new, I believe that you
can have all the chances to do it.thinking money now doesn't need it. I think that a work experience, even abroad, can serve you to decide whether to continue studying for the second level.

Look at the guy's 27. In my opinion, if you go outside, then with the shit you put on the books. the cat must be peeled immediately

I think you should start ls, put yourself under good will and maybe find you a part-time job, project or other. but not to the mc donald but inherent to your course of studies.
Hi.

 

[maxopus]

dedicated to engineers, with affection:biggrin:
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[gerod]

I can tell you mine:
- 3 years alone are worth little, but if you do some part time work and learn something then you will see that you get results. I've been interviewing for ing for 3 years and 5 years. those from 5 have something extra, but never like an ing who has a 3 year degree with 1 year work. ergo:
- make your choice but do not think that in 3 years you will be an expert in the world of work (until the university remains as it is!).
- then we'll get the money, that is, look at the money, but don't expect too much because the money needs to be earned, and to earn it you have to experience it.

I think so.
then if the university did college would be another pair of sleeves.
Have a little experience, you lose maybe 6 months but take a look at the world of work before you decide. . . You can always work and study, it's hard but you can do it (I did it! )
Hi.

 

[tomcat_73]

Hello everyone!
I may have written a bit too much, but I think it might interest many and worth reading 2 minutes and discussing. . .

I'm still a mechanical engineering student, but I have to decide whether to be a specialist or not, and I would like to understand whether it's worth it or not....
I am 27 years old and I am out of course about 4 years for various problems... between the benches for 7 years and soon maybe I will take is blessed 1st level degree!
wanting to take that level 2 would take at least 2 more years of courses + the time for the thesis + any delays for some examinations to do more than once... let's meet therefore in all other 3 years...I would enter the world of work to 30 years!

Now, I am not practical of this world, but the voice that turns is that the greater you are the less likely that someone takes you to work. . .

taking into account all this. ..according to you it would be better to make the effort to take the specialist to have more work opportunities? because on the one hand it forms you better and therefore it is an advantage, but on the other it takes you more time and this creates you greater difficulties to enter the world of work.. .

There's something else that makes me titubate: the salaries of mechanical engineers! !
one who has the specialist on average how much he earns? Isn't it that I kick my ass on the books to see that the plumber that fixes my tap takes twice as much as me?? ?

to you the word... I hope you answer many...

I personally think you're a little big to continue your studies...
I'd be looking for a first job. then, calmly, I would resume with the specialist.
At the moment you are still relatively young, but if you go beyond the thirty it can be really difficult to find work, especially if you are without any important experience.
salaries: companies prefer quinquennali, but pay them as graduates. I hope I've been clear.
of the contracts applied better not to mention it. . .
do not live in a nation that enhances resources and meritocracy.

tomcat

 

[tomcat_73]

Bye-bye

I want to start with a premise: "Surely your plumber will gain at least twice as much as you earn as you just graduated later. "

I think I just graduated from the first level or that it's specialized, you must first think about entering the world of work and if anything after thinking about pay.

Moreover he considers that while 10-15 years ago the engineer was an elite figure (see the small number and the great prospects of economic growth) and therefore could aspire to a "rich" professional career now the crisis and competition has made the engineer a figure easily reperibile and therefore devaluable (to speak for experience).

in my opinion (personal) no one here can advise you on what you should do and you have to decide alone to make the decision.

wrong: to pay do not think about it, so much the collective agreements of category, where there are in good sight the minimum tables.

elite figures are not (states) engineers, they are reported that somehow they do less and take more, beyond the title or personal abilities.

tomcat

 

[tomcat_73]

I am engineer 3+2 and I am of the idea that with this order to stop to the three years and to pretend to be an engineer is very pretentious!The gaps are many and there have not been many of the important issues that allow to address sectors and speeches a little more complex!
said this I do not know employees (technical workers) who have enriched themselves.
I know plumbers who work in their own (with the associated risks) who earn a lot, but they work a lot. of electricians instead there are many more and also in own it is more difficult.
of three-year engineers I know a few and often make simple designers or follow customers as assistance. salaries I think are more or less the same at the beginning, but if you are good and lucky the jobs can be much more interesting!

to say the truth is very pretentious also to call itself an engineer with 3+2...that in this case does not make 5...the reform was made to increase a little the level of average education of the workers who enter the factory, well aware that, for the types of products that are made in this country, do not need the engineers.

tomcat

 

[Meccbell]

to say the truth is very pretentious also to call itself an engineer with 3+2...that in this case does not make 5...the reform was made to increase a little the level of average education of the workers who enter the factory, well aware that, for the types of products that are made in this country, do not need the engineers.

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[poliba]

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...mmm...something tells me you're a graduate with v.o....:biggrin:

 

[Meccbell]

no, never graduated in my life:biggrin:

apart, it is true what tomcat says: with the n.o. this thing to break in 2 the university career first has made it increase the number of those who see the bachelor's degree not as an intermediate stage, but as the final landing and that, most likely, with the v.o. they would not have arrived at the end of the 5 years.
ergo, there are more "e.g. by business card", but the "ing with capital" has decreased.
the graduate workers have increased, but they have almost disappeared entirely the designers to round, as well as increased the accounting, laws chargers of data of bubbles and bills, with in the pocket the scroll, but go to find a tax collector really capable. . .

As well as in building a building it is appropriate to immediately choose the type of architecture, without delaying this choice to future renovations or extensions, which inevitably could not express to the bottom of the vocation, but at the limit only to expand its physical dimension, also for the professional career you must already start immediately with clearly what path you intend to do.

The real problem is that of orientation, but it is a kind of mysterious object, which in the Italian school everyone says exists, but no one has ever seen in concrete.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

As well as in building a building it is appropriate to immediately choose the type of architecture, without delaying this choice to future renovations or extensions, which inevitably could not express to the bottom of the vocation, but at the limit only to expand its physical dimension, also for the professional career you must already start immediately with clearly what path you intend to do.

Are you trying to justify the choice of 3+2? ? ?
for those who choose to stop before, there are professional institutions, which rarely work, but when they do it they are better than universities! (in the very well expressed sense in previous posts naturally)
It seems to me that 3+2 serves to recover people who chose high school, then he found out he didn't want to study and: What do I do? "

(p.s. of course I am ironic throughout the post:biggrin

 

[michele81]

to say the truth is very pretentious also to call itself an engineer with 3+2...that in this case does not make 5...the reform was made to increase a little the level of average education of the workers who enter the factory, well aware that, for the types of products that are made in this country, do not need the engineers.

tomcat

I'm sorry to say, but in part I agree... but you can't generalize all graduates in the last 5-6 years. personal passion towards certain topics leads to deepening even more than the university is unable to train you and then not all and courses were massacred. I don't think even a v.o. as soon as he entered the world of work he could be already experienced. cmq is true university crisis: in my 5 years of courses I have seen very lower the level required in certain exams also "important", passed, in the years after mine, to test at crucifixes!!!. But at the university they do not teach students....
another small comment: It is true, lastly, that of the many arguments addressed to mechanical engineering will meet in the world of work many less, but it is also true that if one is no longer oriented to a certain sector it would be appropriate to have a broader technical culture possible

 

[herinfernalmajesty]

I started working in your own condition! :finger:

I graduated first level, with a little delay because I have always worked in the industry during my studies. My boyfriend decided to graduate specialist instead and living closely the two conditions I tell you that in my opinion, at this particular moment for companies, the conditions are practically the same. the contracts proposed at the beginning are internships (I talk to you about proposals here in the lazio, specifically in roma) and the shortage of work is the same for both professional figures.
now in your condition the choices to make are two: commit yourself to the maximum to finish the specialist with two years, cancelling the possible losses of time you had for the first degree or start working with the three-year term. In my case, I'm looking great: I will have an internship contract for these first 6 months of work, but I'm learning so much... the university just opened my mind, the specialist I am doing it here in the company!!! :biggrin:

 

[b243970]

nil tam ardvm qvod non naive vincas



Are you going to be a tor vergata????? ? ? :finger:

 

[herinfernalmajesty]

nil tam ardvm qvod non naive vincas



Are you going to be a tor vergata????? ? ? :finger:

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