mac book pro & ingegneria/architettura

[fil.]

I'm a professional free engineer, I'm evaluating whether to switch to the apple world from windows.
logically I have never worked in the os environment, but according to experts in the field I recommend the passage as they consider the most reliable, longevous apple products and without a performance decrease with intensive use.
on platform windows 64 bit use software type: autocad, docfa, application acca, structural calculation, fem, numerical modeling, rendering, energy certification, ms office (with outlook interfaced with my iPhone) and many others.
I am evaluating the purchase of the new laptop and therefore I am considering in addition to the classic brands (asus, hp, of, etc.) also an apple mbp retina.
we are in 2016 and I think apple has matured for purely engineering/architectural use as you begin to see developed software on both platforms. considering the prices that practice apple, I wanted to know:
* if a mbp is suitable for such use and which mbp model is best indicated;
* if the software that I use is strictly in windows, how it can be solved in the best possible way without performance loss of the mbp (using: boot camp, parallel or virtualization);
* If for example using autocad on windows and autocad on os there will be differences in terms of intensive use and performance, or if there is a noticeable performance decline;
* until it is worth using a mbp 15" in bootcamp (os and windows10)? at the limit I could exploit the performance and especially the reliability of mbp on both platforms, using os as main system and windows if I did not find alternative software.
* if in performing this step I will have problems with backup copies of my archives and possibly how to resolve;
* if I have problems with file interchangeability with other colleagues through usb pennettes, since on windows you use the fat;
I wait for some answers to my questions or some advice/suggestion...... otherwise I stay in windows!!!
Thank you.

 

[cacciatorino]

otherwise I stay in windows!!!
Thank you.

stay on windows, a seven-x64 system kept with a minimum of care lasts a lot without any need for periodic "formattings" (my I am using it since 2012 and it still goes as the first day).

 

[enri]

the advantage, theoretically, would be enormous, I have a lot of experience in this sense, both personal, use both, and others, however you have two criticalities: the first is that you need a laptop, with a discreet card, in addition to the integrated one, and apple only realizes high-end products, for materials, construction etc., so the 15 mbp would cost you more than 2600 euros (among other things the new microsoft notebook costs even more). the other is that you should go too often between the two systems, given the sw you use. go for autocad, which from the new version has approached a lot to the windows counterpart, online you should find the differences, say that for the use that you do on average, there are all the features, but you would be out with the sw acca, and with the structural calculation, fem there are, but you have to choose those two three that turn on mac, you should specify which sw uses. Parallels has made huge steps, almost all sw and cad turn very well, so the passage would also not too traumatic, but can not concern much of the face work, should be an exception.

 

[gil]

Hi.
all your reasoning assumes that mac hardware is better than any other manufacturer, and that macos is better than windows.
I do not dilute, but we hypothesize that both statements are correct. However the use of macos would be partial in how many software might not work in this system, you would find yourself using windows and also you have to sigh the banging of a dual boot.

therefore the only advantage would be the hardware that you feel more durable.
How many years is a notebook performing for professional use? Four years, maybe five at the most and you think that another brand notebook doesn't get it? for my experience 4 or 5 years a laptop comes anyway.
and with what you save compared to an apple pro, you can get the system restored from a service center once a year.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hi.
all your reasoning assumes that mac hardware is better than any other manufacturer, and that macos is better than windows.
I do not dilute, but we hypothesize that both statements are correct. However the use of macos would be partial in how many software might not work in this system, you would find yourself using windows and also you have to sigh the banging of a dual boot.

therefore the only advantage would be the hardware that you feel more durable.
How many years is a notebook performing for professional use? Four years, maybe five at the most and you think that another brand notebook doesn't get it? for my experience 4 or 5 years a laptop comes anyway.
and with what you save compared to an apple pro, you can get the system restored from a service center once a year.

I agree in full with you gil,
I carry an example of a few years ago but still valid....a colleague was at the junction of the choice of a notebook for professional use the two notebooks examined were a macbook pro and one of your 3700....the hardware was the same cpu ram video card (your 1gb of vram while the mac 512mb) and hard disk, pulling the sums 750€ of 1800€ the mac....
the of still today is alive and well and works great with a very intensive use....moral 1050€ saved.

 

[fil.]

so it seems to me to understand, the fact that apple products are reliable for a long time maintaining performance at a good level is considered as a common place? Maybe it's a simple coincidence that the god stood up against the mac?... or were not treated at par or maybe the mac took a nice fall! ! !
However, my portable pavilion dv6 with i7 and 8gb ram worked hard for 6 years, unfortunately now it has arrived.
My speech is not an apple fan speech but what I know was reported by people in the industry, I'm only evaluating laptops for professional use, so I thought about the following:
asus vivobook n552vw (i7 6700hq, ram 16 gb ddr4 1600 mhz, 15.6" uhd 16:9 3840x216, nvidia gtx960m 4gb gddr5, hdd 1tb 7200 rpm + ssd 256 gb): euro 1400;
asus n551jw (i7 4720hq, ram 8 gb ddr6, 15.6" 1920x1080, nvidia gtx960m 4gb gddr5, ssd 256 gb): euro 1550;
asus zenbook pro ux501jw (i7 4720hq, ram 16 gb ddr3l 1600 mhz, 15.6" fhd 16:9 4k ips, nvidia gtx960m 2gb , hdd 1tb 7200 rpm + ssd 128 gb): euro 1800;
of the xps 15 9550 (i7 hq, ram 16 gb, 15.6" fhd 16:9 4k ips 3840x2160, nvidia gtx960m 2gb, ssd 512 gb): euro 1800;
hp envy ae100nl (i7 6500u, ram 16 gb, 15.6" fhd led, nvidia gtx950m 4gb, hdd 1 tb): euro 1200;
apple mbp 15" retina (i7 quad core 2.2 ghz, ram 16 gb ddr3l 1600 mhz, intel iris pro graphics, ssd 256 gb): euro 1800;
apple mbp 13" retina (i5 dual core 2.9 ghz, ram 16 gb lpdr3 1866 mhz, intel iris pro graphics 6100, ssd 512 gb): euro 1800;
apple mbp 13" retina (i7 dual core 3.1 ghz, ram 16 gb lpdr3 1866 mhz, intel iris pro graphics 6100, ssd 512 gb): European 2000;
I would still use the double monitor.
By the way, from my hp I can recover the ssd 840 evo from 256 gb taken last year, so I could install it inside a dvd reader so that I have two supports.
tell me yours on these machines or advise me one that I may not have considered and that according to you is reliable (what brand?) not only as performance but also as assistance.
Thank you.

 

[cacciatorino]

so it seems to me to understand, the fact that apple products are reliable for a long time maintaining performance at a good level is considered as a common place? Maybe it's a simple coincidence that the god stood up against the mac?... or were not treated at par or maybe the mac took a nice fall! ! !

The cad laptop series is the precision m, which I can't find in your list.

 

[gil]

the fact that apple products are reliable for a long time maintaining performance at a good level is considered as a common place?

It is not a common place, usually apple products are of high quality, although not always free from defects, but quality I repeat to be generally high.
But this does not mean that other producers are not able to do the same. It should be taken into account that apple makes you pay very well, for this, and it makes you pay very well the macos operating system that sells you in combination. system that has pros and cons.

Therefore the purchase must be weighted according to your needs. For example, they tell me that in the field of graphics for the apple print you have excellent applications, which solves part of the problems already listed. If you did advertising graphics instead of building the speech would change a lot.

Finally I confirm what is said as a hunter. the xps series I think it is for domestic entertainment and gaming. the professional series of the is called precision.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hey, guys!
I put myself in this discussion to ask you a tip...I am thinking of selling my precision m6800 (i7 4800mq, firepro m6100, 32gb ram cl 9 1600mhz kingston hyperx impact black, msata crucial m550 512gb, 2x sata crucial m550 512gb, docking station advanced replicator and/port ii - with usb 3.0
In your opinion, a fair quotation without wanting to shine on us.
Thank you.
:smile:

 

[fil.]

I didn't know them... Anyway, I've seen them cost a little bit, too.
However returning to the title, I contacted several software houses and it turned out that only some have native software for os x, all the rest run the software or with boot camp or with parallel, practically the professionals who have an apple solve in this way.
How about my list of laptops from the previous message?
you could also add:
hp elite book 1040 g3: euro 1840
hp elite book folio g2: euro 1711
hp envy notebook 15-ae112nl: euro 1299
acer aspire v nitro vn7-592g: around 2000

 

[TAURUS77]

I didn't know them... Anyway, I've seen them cost a little bit, too.
However returning to the title, I contacted several software houses and it turned out that only some have native software for os x, all the rest run the software or with boot camp or with parallel, practically the professionals who have an apple solve in this way.
How about my list of laptops from the previous message?
you could also add:
hp elite book 1040 g3: euro 1840
hp elite book folio g2: euro 1711
hp envy notebook 15-ae112nl: euro 1299
acer aspire v nitro vn7-592g: around 2000

1) hp envy notebook 15-ae112nl has video card with vram ddr3l you have to point to a vga gddr5 the difference you notice and you see.
2) acer aspire v nitro vn7-592g....what model??? the one with the gt 950m or the one with the 960m gddr5.... seen the price I think is the second.
3) hp elite book g2-g3 with integrated vga clasp them.
reference to the previous post the most sensible choice in the price quality ratio is asus vivobook n552vw from 1400€.
if you have to approach or exceed 2000€ take a certified professional notebook.

 

[fil.]

then exclude all and remain:
asus livebook n552vw
acer aspire v nitro vn7-592g (gtx960m)
or at the limit... apple mbp 15."
which are the certified professional notebooks?
You can also recommend a model outside my list.
also how do you see asus and acer in terms of reliability, performance and service?
do you find that they have particular problems (surheating, monitor instability, etc.)?
For example, I had uh hp pavilion dv6 with i7 for 5 and a half years and after I knew that hp is known for overheating problems (this at least for past models, I don't know the new ones).
However, my use is not only for graphics but everything that concerns the profession.

 

[TAURUS77]

then exclude all and remain:
asus livebook n552vw
acer aspire v nitro vn7-592g (gtx960m)
or at the limit... apple mbp 15."
which are the certified professional notebooks?
You can also recommend a model outside my list.
also how do you see asus and acer in terms of reliability, performance and service?
do you find that they have particular problems (surheating, monitor instability, etc.)?
For example, I had uh hp pavilion dv6 with i7 for 5 and a half years and after I knew that hp is known for overheating problems (this at least for past models, I don't know the new ones).
However, my use is not only for graphics but everything that concerns the profession.

not to throw iella on the hp but both the company series probook and those I had for the hands of my friends (consumer models) many have had problems with overheating both at the level of cpu and vga.
lenovo-dell-hp series pro-fujtsu siemens have in their list of professional models both 15" or 17" with prices ranging from 1800€ to 5000€ per second of the configuration. . .
as you read before I have a precision m6800 17" but and there is version m4800 15". ..just recently updated the range with new models precision 15"17" 7000.
professional lenovo series is called thinkpad p70 and p50
the notebooks in question are configurable according to your needs directly on the site of the e lenovo....for the prices are salty but the quality and assistance regarding the consumer notebooks and very different....to make an example the case is made in magnesium and aluminum and the heatsinks are much more treated with double fans (a call of duty lasts half day or a day at the most if your blist resists last.... a fem analysis

 

[fil.]

It is not that I have an unlimited budget.... anyway I would like to stay in the scissor between 1000 and 2000 euros without going too far.

 

[re_solidworks]

if you use it for work and you work there not only during short trips, but all day I recommend you to take a professional notebook. the precision (such as all the competitors of the hp sector, lenovo, fujitsu, santech) are solid products, very expandable, with professional-end graphics cards and especially with ventilation suitable for intensive and continuous work.
almost all have a dedicated docking station (not usb 3) and when you are in the office it has its advantages. I only work with laptop & docking station for 2 and a half years and I am not at all regretted the choice. They cost you a lot.
the mac you posted on have vga intel iris grafic, if you take a painting or a firepro is another thing.