make up for rendering and photoinsertment

[dada22]

Hello everyone,
I am an early-armed architect, several times I have been commissioned photoinserimenti by technicians who had no idea how to make them.
the way I work is as follows: I realize the 3d model, place the model on the photo, maker with vray on cinema4d and finally, with photoshop I realize the final image. all this repeated for each photo to be treated.
until now I have asked €50 per view (usually need 4). I do not provide the customer with any file type, only the final jpg image.
I wanted your advice? I'm asking too little? in the final price should I also consider the 3d model, even if I do not hand it to the customer?
Thank you!

 

[Tristan]

how long do you use to create a view and earn 50€? Are they black or billed? Is the software you use fired?
Given the irresponsible figure I think you do everything in black (or at most deemed to be agreeable, but leaning for black) and use craccato software. Did I guess?

 

[gil]

bye dada22
I assume that the work is turnover or receipt, and that the software has a regular license. Obviously it is to check the quality of the work. However the price said so seems vague enough, but perhaps low.

I think correct:
If you have to build the model, the costs increase a lot. in fact to make the model of a building, even with only the necessary details for the pictures, can be necessary also 2 or 3 days of work. How long are you doing? a professional to stay in costs and earn us a decent loaf, should get paid on 50 euros / now.
16 hours * 50 euro = 800 euro

then it must be computed the time to make the renders. How long do you take? I now mortgage 2 hours to set the scene, materials, lights, etc.
At this point, staying in the economy, we assume that it is possible to make a render in 30 minutes including photomontage and post-production.
so personally I think that the price of n°1 render should be about:
2.5 hours *50 euro = 125 euro + 25 euro for each other make from the same scene.
changing scene, for example images day and night, you have to consider the costs for adapting settings.

Of course, let's talk about making with just discrete quality not outstanding. as you can guess from the very short production times.
some discount is possible for big jobs, but with moderation otherwise you are not in it with costs.

post on the pay
I know that 50 euros / now seem so many, but let's reflect a moment.
you work 176 hours in a month, but if it's okay you can only invoice 100. the rest are used to look for customers and nobody pays them to you.

100 x 50 = 5'000 euro -
500 euro small office cost -
100 euro cost depreciation pc -
400 euro cost promotion and travel -
300 euro cost depreciation software -
700 euro disposition of holidays and disease
200 euro various problems -
_
2'800 euro gross / 2 (50% goes to the state)= 1'400 euro *12= 16'800 euro per year (no 13° and 14° monthly, no tfr).

post on workers in black
there are also students who round with these works, made in "black". they charge 1/3 compared to the professional. with the limits and problems that this type of work may entail to the client.

 

[dada22]

thanks gil, for valuable information.
I didn't understand something. according to how much I would recommend that you pay me 800 euros for the model, plus 125 euros for each scene + 25 euros for each rendering from the same scene? Maybe I could find a client who accepts! ! !
The problem is exactly the students who round, they "force" you to accept the job when you happen. otherwise the technician goes to them. I know that what I have taken so far is from hunger (in the true sense of the word), I have accepted not to remain without work and meanwhile to improve in terms of quality. but now (I think I have reached a fair level of quality), I have decided to say enough to this exploitation!
Thank you so much!!

 

[Tristan]

The problem is exactly the students who round, they "force" you to accept the job when you happen. otherwise the technician goes to them.

you didn't do much differently. You acted like a "student" and you sold out your job.

I know that what I have taken so far is from hunger (in the true sense of the word), I have accepted not to remain without work and meanwhile to improve in terms of quality. but now (I think I have reached a fair level of quality), I have decided to say enough to this exploitation!

So you also change customers? because I don't think your customers can from day to day apply a 700% increase just because you're tired of the hunger pay. these will clearly tell you: "But how, yesterday for the same job you asked me 100, why today you ask me 1000? "

 

[Tristan]

post on the pay
I know that 50 euros / now seem so many, but let's reflect a moment.
you work 176 hours in a month, but if it's okay you can only invoice 100. the rest are used to look for customers and nobody pays them to you.

100 x 50 = 5'000 euro -
500 euro small office cost -
100 euro cost depreciation pc -
400 euro cost promotion and travel -
300 euro cost depreciation software -
700 euro disposition of holidays and disease
200 euro various problems -
_
2'800 euro gross / 2 (50% goes to the state)= 1'400 euro *12= 16'800 euro per year (no 13° and 14° monthly, no tfr).

at first could save working from home without having an office in lease.
Anyway gil, with the compensations that Dada22 talks about, you don't pay us the licenses of the software or you can pay if you pay taxes, we don't make fun of it. should do from 150 to 200 renderings per month. It's true that somewhere you have to start, but then you don't complain about the students because he does so worse.

 

[dada22]

at first could save working from home without having an office in lease.
Anyway gil, with the compensations that Dada22 talks about, you don't pay us the licenses of the software or you can pay if you pay taxes, we don't make fun of it. should do from 150 to 200 renderings per month. It's true that somewhere you have to start, but then you don't complain about the students because he does so worse.

Maybe because I do something else! I'm not just rendering!
Good job

 

[marcof]

Maybe because I do something else! I'm not just rendering!
Good job

Then what do you complain about? 50€ in the picture are fine, indeed I recommend you to propose a 3x2 to 100€.
You do exactly as students you support compete with you: ruin the market to those for which the day or two to make the model 3d and everything else is a cost to take into account. If nothing else you have even ruined your market, because with the loop your customers will accept a job from the cost perhaps decuplicated.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the customer can afford the luxury of not accepting a blackmail only if he has a valid alternative.
if you deplete the price and you are monopolist (or sign) you earn ten times more.

But I don't think you're a monopoly if you don't want to play monopoly. . .

 

[Tristan]

Maybe because I do something else! I'm not just rendering!

I hope that for the other" will make you pay a little more...because if you propose skis and fingers to 50€ I don't want to be in your shoes

 

[Tristan]

the customer can afford the luxury of not accepting a blackmail only if he has a valid alternative.

fulvio, you know better than me that if you invoice the customer today 100€ and tomorrow for the same job you ask 1000€ the customer first sends you to shit even if it has no alternative, or worse will find hundreds of excuses not to pay you to finished work.
is a professional suicide

 

[gil]

the market is very difficult in these years. I believe that the first works are sold very cheaply.
so you can go to the customer and say: “I’m not known, you don’t know me, so the first 1 or 2 jobs pay me a symbolic figure. if the test (which cost you very little) you liked we start working seriously, otherwise hello.”

If customers continue to contact students, then it means that we deserve to be economically occupied by the Chinese.
in fact the student who guarantees can give on delivery times, future changes, product quality? and then years of work should provide the professional a greater quality, otherwise than professional is?

but especially for both, there are obvious tax problems. especially for those who work with pirate software. until you do some work occasionally for the period of studies, so much.
but if it becomes continuous it seems very risky considering the heaviness of the penis on copyright. So much worth going to drug and bitches, you risk less and you earn more.

 

[gil]

on a well-known graphics site I saw this ad.
"freelancer for 20 days. 700 euro +iva

700 euros for 8 hours per day for 3 weeks (120 hours) does about 5,8 euros now.
I think he's out of my mind, but this is the market.