management codes seals and pipes

[sway_89]

Hello, I'm new, I just signed up.
I have changed work and industry and in the new company where I am making the transition from 2d to 3d, we have solidworks 2016 professional + pdm 2016 .
the problem that we encounter is in the realization and management from the graphic point of view and of code of the seals or any other mechanical part that goes in separate but is not quantified in number but in meters.
I make an example to clarify.
I have a pdm code that identifies me a 20x5 seal glueable on one side(the classic sponge seal that glues on one side) now the problem I encounter is that they want to draw on each machine the seals, so each machine will have its own gasket meters.
in this way the original code of the seal is no longer usable because if I go to change the modification of one all the machines where mounted, and in addition they would want it to go separately with the calculation of the meters mounted on that machine (this option can also be handled manually).
in my previous experience we made a code "neutro" for the name of the part and we drew our seal and inside the properties of the part this code takes behind the original code of the seal to which it referred and then we also made the table.
They do not want to adopt this procedure because they do not want to multiply the tables and do not want to adopt a neutral code for management.
Is there anyone who can help me?
thanks to all and good day.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

draw the seal with structural members and so you have in the separate cut length of the same.
in the starting sketch you can enter the route quota that you can then recall in the properties of the file.
for each seal profile you can then create multiple configurations based on the insert diameter
eventually submerge and multiply the various lengths of each profile

 

[sway_89]

Bye, then let's see if I understand.
I have the axieme of my machine, I go to the piece on which the design must be mounted as a structural element in the piece.
the code that matches me with that seal like I'll give it to you like this?
Is it my code that I go to call back and extrude with the structural element?
As for the export of bom from the pdm to our management, how does this manage?
creates a new line in excel with the seal code only, or even the created structural element will have its own line in the cvs file that I carry?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

How did you manage the seals before? Did you draw them in the details where they were staying? I hope not.
drawings as a single part and then the mountains in the axieme.
in the structural element profile you fill all the properties you need, when you create your structural element the separate cut will be compiled as you need.
the pdm I do not know therefore do not know if it interacts with the distinct cutting; If you are fine, if not you have to understand what you need to know about this seal in addition to the length.
for the record that seal can make it in a thousand different ways and get the length as you prefer; the method of structural elements starts from the hypothesis that you can serve other properties that are manageable automatically only through this method. if you need the length you can do a revolution and keep the distance

 

[sway_89]

no perhaps I have explained badly then.if I do so it is not okay because I have a pdm code that corresponds to a type of seal and every time the warning on a different machine the length is different and the same code mounted on other me varies, which is not good.
I don't know if you can do it, I'm not very expert on solidworks.
or do I have to do a 3d sketch and then tell him that it is a structural element?
I don't understand the steps.
first as I said it was a part like a simple solidedge file that I then mounted in the axieme, this code with teamcenter I gave him a "neutro" code for the distinct and managerial and inside this code I recalled the original code that identified the type of gasket or pipe.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

first as I said it was a part like a simple solidedge file that I then mounted in the axieme, this code with teamcenter I gave him a "neutro" code for the distinct and managerial and inside this code I recalled the original code that identified the type of gasket or pipe.

It's the same thing you have to do now.
you can have a side file with a code that identifies the type of seal (or-d5-color-yellow type) and inside with configurations manage hundreds of different sizes. you will have only one file with one code

I don't know if you can do it, I'm not very expert on solidworks.

Of course you can. structural element is the name of a function, such as sweeping or extrusion.
Perhaps it is the case of learning solidworks before starting to wrap your head. Moreover without certain knowledge you do not have the possibility to interpret the answers.

 

[sway_89]

here no one wraps his head and no one has the same experience in certain things, so if one is here to write maybe he will have had a different experience maybe?! I also use solidworks for two months of which I have not gone to draw but to arrange everything else you have to fix before starting and second I come from different software.
To understand these things it was enough to say structural element is a function you do not need any advanced knowledge, only to understand how it reasons the software since they have been there for two months.
The fact remains that tomorrow I do a test and I also see on the export side of the separate pdm on the management as it comes out.
Thank you and good day! !

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

It was not a criticism, but an invitation to become aware that if you do not know the software you do not have the ability to interpret the answers and consequently understand whether these are valid or not.
If you do not know certain terms or characteristics of the topic you are looking for in the online guide or you ask that they be explained; I assume that the basics of the modeling are there and know the functions and techniques that are explained in the tutorials.

I also use solidworks for two months of which I have not gone to draw but to arrange everything else you have to fix before starting and second I come from different software.

How could you know if you don't say that? or for any request that is made you must write 100 row posts that understand an explanation that understands all levels of knowledge of the applicant?
closed controversy.
as I do not know how a pdm works and what kind of parameters can extract from the part may also not be the right way; It's those bad situations you should think about the field. should invest a few days to do the tutorials and understand how the software works

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Here is an example of seals made with structural members.
file properties report material and rope length, but of course you can integrate with any information you want. based on the type of property to be inserted you can use different methods for management.
of these files one contains configurations that keeping the profile constant changes the diameter of the insert throat; to change the length of the rope that is updated in the file properties (in this case configuration properties)
this is one of the possible usable methods; it goes from if that to understand what way to pursue to find the best one must have a general and well defined picture, which only internally is possible to do.
View attachment guarnizioni.zip

 

[sway_89]

Sorry, but I've been busy these days.
o-rings and similar things we handle them so already, but for metro seals it is not okay.
I also created a new blank code that corresponds to the seal and I tried to make a sketch and then structural element, then you can no longer reuse the code for a different length.
today I also had confirmation from the partner company of solidworks that follows us, which is not so good.
Do you know how to print from a set all the tables that contain the axieme?
i.e. I throw in the press a set and I print all the tables of the children contained in it? ?
Solidworks doesn't, do you know if there is a way or a program or something like that that allows it?

thanks and good evening

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I also created a new blank code that corresponds to the seal and I tried to make a sketch and then structural element, then you can no longer reuse the code for a different length.

Perched?

today I also had confirmation from the partner company of solidworks that follows us, which is not so good.

since you pay them should find you the solution by being able to interface with you in real time and not by means of messages and assumptions

Do you know how to print from a set all the tables that contain the axieme?
i.e. I throw in the press a set and I print all the tables of the children contained in it? ?
Solidworks doesn't, do you know if there is a way or a program or something like that that allows it?

you need a macro that read all parts of the axieme, check if there is the respective design, open it and throw it a print in the correct format... I have no idea

 

[falonef]

and partner company what do you recommend? their cad sw and pdm should know how their pockets

 

[320i S]

if it can be useful.

In these cases, the problems between 3d and bom management are essentially 3:
-codes of materials that are used with different shapes depending on the needs (forms that with solidworks configurations or creo family tables or other functions of the genus it is not always possible to manage)
-management of the specific quantity for the distinct (length, surface, weight), different from the quantity "number of pieces"
-coupling of the same codes as above, when the amount of use is greater than 1 (type just use 2 times in the same together the same seal made with generic material.

solutions can be multiple, but if you want to use raw material codes, directly in separate with their specific quantity, without going through a drawing code that indicates for every single use what to do and how much raw material to use, you have to:

-the bom code is decoupable from the name of the file with which it is stored otherwise there will be dangerous doubles (and if there is a middle pdm, the latter rightly will prevent it)

-a class of "support" codes on which to model the elements, to which then to be able to write internally the code of bom of the raw material (the decoupling of the code bom can only apply for this class of codes)

-create consistent and universally valid variables to manage different size units in tables

- the system of passage of boms to the management will have to use the code of bom and not the name of the file, when there is a variable different from "number piece", it will have to use that unit of measurement and read the value from mathematics and multiply it for the number of times that math is assembled in the whole

- if the system manages it, finally shorten the resulting quantities when there are different mathematics with identical raw material codes.

may seem difficult to recreate, but I guarantee that you do and it works.