mechanical design responsibility

[Anto1234]

Good evening, I don't know if it's the right section. I'm asking myself a question and I hope there's someone who can tell me something about it.

I am hired by a technical study and on the contract result as drafter l5, metalworking industry crafts.

I work as an external resource at a client company and basically I make drawings on directions from the office chief.

Since a new machine has been produced and some components I have drawn them to cad i (and then put my initials on the table), I wanted to ask if, in case something happens, I may have criminal responsibilities.

precise that I have never independently decided issues such as thicknesses, resistant sections and other structural parameters of this type.

Thank you in advance.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I don't think so.
in the drawings of practice there is always the name of the designer, of who controlled it and of who approved it.
if you have not designed, developed the machine and followed the directives of the superiors you have no responsibility just because you are a mere executor of higher orders; even if instead of making a hole +/- 0.1 you do it +/-1 and the stain does not work the responsibility is of those who took advantage of the design that will do the dick to those who checked it that will do the dick to your owner who will do the dick to you
http://www.designlongog.com/aspetti-legali-diritti-e-doveri-del-disegnatore/https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/rc-professionale-disegnatori-carpenteria.5154/

 

[stevie]

Good evening, I don't know if it's the right section. I'm asking myself a question and I hope there's someone who can tell me something about it.

I am hired by a technical study and on the contract result as drafter l5, metalworking industry crafts.

I work as an external resource at a client company and basically I make drawings on directions from the office chief.

Since a new machine has been produced and some components I have drawn them to cad i (and then put my initials on the table), I wanted to ask if, in case something happens, I may have criminal responsibilities.

precise that I have never independently decided issues such as thicknesses, resistant sections and other structural parameters of this type.

Thank you in advance.

The answer is...
On a legal level, the solid manager is the holder of the firm, unless you have signed and stamped a project belonging to a certain order (e.g.,) but I do not think it is your case (and in this regard I disagree with colleagues engineers or experts to stamp things for which the ability is not strictly necessary).

clearly in case of damage the holder is free to rival you, even if I doubt in court you can be sentenced to compensate for anything.
At worst you get a pawn and dismissal.

 

[Anto1234]

Thank you for your answers.
precise that I have a three-year degree but I am not enrolled in the rank of juniors; so I have no skill, no stamps or anything.

I simply make 3d drawings and put on the table and put my initials as a designer.

I said, at the contract level I am a designer and not a designer.

This truthfully is giving me some anxiety that I feel like I'm getting fired and picking up tomatoes. .

p. s.. take the opportunity to ask another question: what exactly does a project mean? I mean from the practical point of view. exists a file in which calculations, materials, etc. are detailed?

 

[Cristallo]

signing a project means taking on its paternity.

 

[Anto1234]

Thanks for the answer.
I don't see what the motivation motivates a person to study, which is personal.

The question was different.

 

[PierArg]

I cut the crystal message because it seemed polemical, not directly against anto1234 but in general with those who do not assume responsibility.
before triggering any debates or I preferred to cut the message.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Thank you for your answers.
precise that I have a three-year degree but I am not enrolled in the rank of juniors; so I have no skill, no stamps or anything.

I simply make 3d drawings and put on the table and put my initials as a designer.

I said, at the contract level I am a designer and not a designer.

This truthfully is giving me some anxiety that I feel like I'm getting fired and picking up tomatoes. .

p. s.. take the opportunity to ask another question: what exactly does a project mean? I mean from the practical point of view. exists a file in which calculations, materials, etc. are detailed?

Now I answer out of the chorus and I'm putting on some weirdos from the whole forum. Ready?

You live quietly. Civil projects are signed. in the world of industrial machines the signature is not expected practically for nothing.
a machine designer assumes responsibility. You make the designer. you would have zero liability in case of car accidents.
If there was a technical file of the construction done well, there would be a project organgram with names, companies and responsibilities. often in the technical files I'm seeing these days there is not even the list of res. There is no risk assessment. There is hardly a generic description of the machine and some copy glued badly into the definitions section of the machine directive.

 

[Cristallo]

I cut the crystal message because it seemed polemical, not directly against anto1234 but in general with those who do not assume responsibility.
before triggering any debates or I preferred to cut the message.

I understand cutting the part that could "shadow" controversy. but there were other content in the reply that passed for censorship (contained by a signed project).
In all cases, that casket is the same answer I would give my son. not to polemize but to make it grow. growing means taking responsibility, at all levels. from raising a child to carrying out a family.
then do as you want.

 

[PierArg]

hi crystal, nothing against you but only to prevent unnecessary controversy with who, after you, could have seized the opportunity to trigger flames.
the second part cut, and that I could have left, was this:
Of course there are calculations, of course there are specifications of materials, of course there are drawings and relationships.

 

[Cristallo]

...cut...
the second part cut, and that I could have left, was this:
Of course there are calculations, of course there are specifications of materials, of course there are drawings and relationships.

Forgive pier... and what was of controversy in this part of reply? (behind specific question made by the user, then)
said this, and reiterated the concept that "do as you please", cutting with the accept a reply of others for a hypothetical occasion for a subsequent flame has the taste of those who think that one tomorrow could embody a nail and then decides to amputate the foot. In fact, because of the exact representation, the incarnied nail is that of the colleague and the amputated foot is always that of the colleague.

 

[Cristallo]

You live quietly. Civil projects are signed. in the world of industrial machines the signature is not expected practically for nothing.

fulvio! Is there no sign of anyone?
in the civil field not only there must be a signature, but it can not even be of a society but of a single physical person, so that you can respond with your own personal belongings.
must be subject to an albo (to be able to be removed if it does caxxate) and have compulsory professional insurance.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

fulvio! Is there no sign of anyone?
in the civil field not only there must be a signature, but it can not even be of a society but of a single physical person, so that you can respond with your own personal belongings.
must be subject to an albo (to be able to be removed if it does caxxate) and have compulsory professional insurance.

Well, if this is the civil world, I can tell you that industrial is "incivile".
apart from jokes, concepts are completely different. the world of machines is extremely heterogeneous and often standards are necessarily generic. Moreover the safety of a "machine" that to go from the input of the material to the exit of the finished product you must take the bicycle cannot be asked to a single person. often cannot be asked to a single company.
surely you will say, but also a neighborhood or a port have this characteristic. true, but it is a homogeneous product from the point of view of the skills, in machines are often necessary extremely heterogeneous skills.

are different worlds with zero points in common.

 

[Cristallo]

I'm surprised at everything. civil society is also extremely heterogeneous skills (and areas of intervention).
the strutturista is interested in the only structures
the architect sees it for the architectural part
the electric planter
the air conditioning/heating plant
the director of the work
the c.s.e.
the tester

and all together (everybody cheating nicely on each other) build the building that is assimilated to your "machine"
but for every single future event there is the possibility to identify the manager.
If the building collapses, the strutturist leaves us the pens.
If the building stays standing but you can't use it because there is no entrance room, the architect leaves us.
If it didn't collapse and you managed to get in, but you're just shining as soon as you turn on the light, you leave the pens electric.
and so on.
but all (and I say all none excluded) the figures are physical people. also the executive enterprise that can be a society, inside has the physically identified manager before the work is realized.
Is that not the case?
I mean, if the machine pulls an arm because the security sensor wasn't connected, is there no guy to take for the tie?

 

[stevie]

I'm surprised at everything. civil society is also extremely heterogeneous skills (and areas of intervention).
the strutturista is interested in the only structures
the architect sees it for the architectural part
the electric planter
the air conditioning/heating plant
the director of the work
the c.s.e.
the tester

and all together (everybody cheating nicely on each other) build the building that is assimilated to your "machine"
but for every single future event there is the possibility to identify the manager.
If the building collapses, the strutturist leaves us the pens.
If the building stays standing but you can't use it because there is no entrance room, the architect leaves us.
If it didn't collapse and you managed to get in, but you're just shining as soon as you turn on the light, you leave the pens electric.
and so on.
but all (and I say all none excluded) the figures are physical people. also the executive enterprise that can be a society, inside has the physically identified manager before the work is realized.
Is that not the case?
I mean, if the machine pulls an arm because the security sensor wasn't connected, is there no guy to take for the tie?

other than, the manager of the manufacturer (titular or delegate) of the machinery, or if the machine is of import the importer.