mechanical designer vs process engineer

[welcome to the machine]

massive bringing all the resources to their level of incompetence (which may seem almost offensive but as you know it is) is the mission of anyone who is able to run a company. not to do so would mean to underuse them (or to have them substimate, even worse...) but to avoid the first peter corollary and to stop one step earlier, otherwise it will block all the thrust that sends forward the companies.

 

[wert]

ok until we talk about management roles, but please don't tell me about certification... for me it is an activity that could present the extremes to be considered mobbing... is a job to propose to someone who works in the workshop, to get him into the working world. If he's a methodical guy, he might even like him for a while... but if you're a designer, please stay away.. .

 

[welcome to the machine]

stan maybe we're not getting it: I give you reason and I am fully with you:" passion, always before passion. . "
and then I also like in the young, two or three years ago came to roma and I was there in the middle of the lawn to hear it. He didn't talk about his module, but the same went well.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

massive bringing all the resources to their level of incompetence (which may seem almost offensive but as you know it is) is the mission of anyone who is able to run a company.

Yeah, I know, my guy just wanted to be a boutade, nothing more.
But it is true that sometimes one asks, at least to me happens, as to fact some people who meet in the working life to end up in roles of "" "command"""" and here is the answer

 

[meccanicamg]

Thank you for your answers and advice.

in the field where I would go they explained to me that I would also take care of the whole area of certification.
I wanted to ask if overall the work of analysis times and methods etc. it turns out to be too "burocratic" or you have the same the possibility to get in contact with the workshop and the actual production to

that I know, my colleagues, very few, who have made times and methods of are found:
- in the workshop with chronometer to take the time of the climbers... besides the insults
- in the office making excel children to determine what would be best to optimize
- in the office to think and ask for offers for equipment to optimize the previous point
- again in the workshop to take the time of what they set before

personally. ...I prefer to design, calculate, do fem, study new things...r&d... rather I go to the assembly to dirty my hands or to do the tests of machinery...but never times and methods. I can't find enough stimuli.

as you are young proof and experience.... then if you don't like change.

 

[welcome to the machine]

fare Children Does excel require a complex conception? even painful sometimes? ? ?

 

[PIETRO2002]

that I know, my colleagues, very few, who have made times and methods of are found:
- in the workshop with chronometer to take the time of the climbers... besides the insults
- in the office making excel children to determine what would be best to optimize
- in the office to think and ask for offers for equipment to optimize the previous point
- again in the workshop to take the time of what they set before

personally. ...I prefer to design, calculate, do fem, study new things...r&d... rather I go to the assembly to dirty my hands or to do the tests of machinery...but never times and methods. I can't find enough stimuli.

as you are young proof and experience.... then if you don't like change.

Unfortunately, most companies do so... but they don't know what they lose to not have a true lean culture, I mean "true" not on the front to fill their mouths. but the corporate culture has biblical times to change. . Maybe with a crisis.. Sperem

 

[meccanicamg]

fare Children Does excel require a complex conception? even painful sometimes? ? ?

Yeah... computer concept? ? ? ?

 

[paulpaul]

ok until we talk about management roles, but please don't tell me about certification... for me it is an activity that could present the extremes to be considered mobbing... is a job to propose to someone who works in the workshop, to get him into the working world. If he's a methodical guy, he might even like him for a while... but if you're a designer, please stay away.. .

depends also on what you plan and what you mean to certify
start ot?
I've learned for a long time, at least in my field (energy and oil&gas) that if you don't make serious risk analysis before starting the project (or better between preliminary and final project) you're likely to take huge stakes, because then customers (or better customer inspectors) ask you about it at the invoice and the sat... you want to run away! at least we talk about very high costs, delays and image damage (you and the company); as much as we speak of wounded or worse!
too often the designers (and I think so) neglect this part, which is not required in tote to external studies as many "right to fix paper": the study can serve as a guide and to formalize the documents, but the risks of the machine I know them designer, and I have to mitigate them.
If the ped tells me that at the minimum project temperature I have to have a minimum resilience of 27 j I can not care or notice when I have already bought the material for piping; When I choose the efficiency of the joints of the welds I must know what impact I will have in terms of non-destructive controls, as costs can rise to a factor 10. If I classify zone 1 atex an environment instead of zone 2, I must know that suitable electric motors can cost even 50% more than those for zone 2... which would be more dangerous in area 1.
In short, I believe that in certain sectors the certifying aspect must be intimately connected with design, worth taking big risks!
end ot?

 

[Xy2010]

thanks to all for the advice.
I know you'll hate me for this choice but I finally decided to take the opportunity.
This is due, not so much to an economic aspect or a future position, as more to my curiosity.
I know that it will not be the work of my life, but I am aware at the same time that not even my current position could not have been the work I would have done all my life. This is because the sector where I work is not really stimulating in my opinion.
In the end I decided to change in order to get an idea of another aspect of the field and especially because, at the level of design, my current enterprise could not have offered me as, as I said, there is no specialized figure in the design or more senior of me and as I think I have to learn much more I know that I should have moved the same.
so much it is worth trying this new experience and possibly, if I don't have to find it suitable for me, looking for a role in design somewhere that can help me become more complete.
As already mentioned by some of you certification will be a perhaps boring aspect, but perhaps this will also give me a more complete idea and training.

 

[meccanicamg]

You did well. until you are young and you have desire and chance. ...try. You're always in time to stop or find back.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

analista timing-methods = no design

depends on what you prefer to do

depends on what you mean by design. The process must also be designed, and it is not at all a trivial thing.

 

[stevie]

depends on what you mean by design. The process must also be designed, and it is not at all a trivial thing.

the analyst times methods not "progetting" a process, that is the task of the production manager or production director. . .
and then the choice was between "technical design" and analyst methods.. .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the analyst times methods not "progetting" a process, that is the task of the production manager or production director. . .
and then the choice was between "technical design" and analyst methods.. .

here opens a very long speech. the original concept of "types and methods" is a centralized control of production activities. fully marries the concept of fordism and as a method died and deceased at the end of the 60s.

from the end of the 50s and until the 80s this concept gradually turned to meet the new production methods that deming brought from the Japan first in the use and then in Europe. total quality, 5s, etc. have led to a radical transformation of the concept of times and methods where those "cronometra" no longer have the purpose of forcing the lines to respect the standard times, but to ensure that the takt time, which is a lean concept, can lead to the efficiency of the line.

takt time and time and methods are two very different concepts, but they both do with the chronometer and then in some cases they are confused.

Now, if you tell me that in this context an analyst not "proget", explain to me, I take the popcorns.

 

[PIETRO2002]

here opens a very long speech. the original concept of "types and methods" is a centralized control of production activities. fully marries the concept of fordism and as a method died and deceased at the end of the 60s.

from the end of the 50s and until the 80s this concept gradually turned to meet the new production methods that deming brought from the Japan first in the use and then in Europe. total quality, 5s, etc. have led to a radical transformation of the concept of times and methods where those "cronometra" no longer have the purpose of forcing the lines to respect the standard times, but to ensure that the takt time, which is a lean concept, can lead to the efficiency of the line.

takt time and time and methods are two very different concepts, but they both do with the chronometer and then in some cases they are confused.

Now, if you tell me that in this context an analyst not "proget", explain to me, I take the popcorns.

That was what I meant in my post. but see are still unfamiliar themes or if known are not appreciated! It's a cultural speech and unfortunately we're back as a country!

 

[stevie]

here opens a very long speech. the original concept of "types and methods" is a centralized control of production activities. fully marries the concept of fordism and as a method died and deceased at the end of the 60s.

from the end of the 50s and until the 80s this concept gradually turned to meet the new production methods that deming brought from the Japan first in the use and then in Europe. total quality, 5s, etc. have led to a radical transformation of the concept of times and methods where those "cronometra" no longer have the purpose of forcing the lines to respect the standard times, but to ensure that the takt time, which is a lean concept, can lead to the efficiency of the line.

takt time and time and methods are two very different concepts, but they both do with the chronometer and then in some cases they are confused.

Now, if you tell me that in this context an analyst not "proget", explain to me, I take the popcorns.

All beautiful. . .
I ask you to frame the context of the request.. .
We are talking about a graduate, and when he speaks of a position "analyst times-methods" in a company of 50 souls, I think it is uniquely recognized that he will hardly be proposed, to 30 years poor, a position that in fact is that of the production manager, or production director or as we want to call him.
in addition to that blessed company of 50 souls I doubt also that apply the philosophy of "lean manufacturing", the "total quality management" and the "six sigma" ....
We're not talking about toyota. .

 

[PIETRO2002]

All beautiful. . .
I ask you to frame the context of the request.. .
We are talking about a graduate, and when he speaks of a position "analyst times-methods" in a company of 50 souls, I think it is uniquely recognized that he will hardly be proposed, to 30 years poor, a position that in fact is that of the production manager, or production director or as we want to call him.
in addition to that blessed company of 50 souls I doubt also that apply the philosophy of "lean manufacturing", the "total quality management" and the "six sigma" ....
We're not talking about toyota. .

It's not all beautiful. But if we think lean philosophy only applies to great realities, we're off the road, I think. but maybe now we're also out of theme! :

 

[Fulvio Romano]

It's not all beautiful. But if we think lean philosophy only applies to great realities, we're off the road, I think. but maybe now we're also out of theme! :

I agree

 

[WbEng]

my opinion absolutely personal: If you are involved in process analysis, optimizations etc., in the medium term you can take roads to managerial positions often very well paid but less "engineering" of the design. this even without having to put into the field every day what you studied.
If you do the designer, to emerge and rise in position you must be good, really, without shortcuts . no "furbation" will help you make career: or projects stuff that works or you can't tell anyone.
in summary:
management = to the long counts more the relational ability and analysis of the context than what you have studied
designer = if you go, flights; if you do not go ....(cf. alan ford)
I know that many will be in discrete and apologize, but this is what I have seen in 40 years of work and I do not consider one of the two best choices of the other.

hello to all, in front of this harsh reality is there still a margin of growth? In the sense, even if after so many years you never get to a managerial position I can still expect a salary increase that makes me live well or I will always be paid almost as a junior? Sorry if the question turns out stupid