minimum pc power for creo

[enrico1979]

Hey, everybody.

in aziends I have an i7 alienware with 3.6 ghz of cpu and a dedicated video card I believe from 2 giga (but could also be from 1 giga alone).
here the new creo has no problems (with what cost the software and the pc I would like to see)
at home instead I have a hp with processor i7 from 2ghz and dedicated graphics card radeon from 2giga.
my passion for such software pushes me to stand in front of the pc beyond the hours of work, since I also have to acquire a minimum of dexterity with creo (that to tell the truth is not creating me big problems, since wf5 I know it quite well, or better I use it for almost 3 years and I spend at least 3 hours a day every day).
the problem I create on my pc is not going, i.e. when I open for example a part the various features makes me use it but the graphic area reserved for the design remains white.
I believe that my laptop has all the requirements to be able to support the software (what do you say??) and therefore I believe that it may be a problem related to windows compatibility (at work use 7 professional, while my pc uses 7 home premium).
Has anyone had such a problem? ? 7sa tell me what the solution is? ? ?
depends on windows compatibility or my laptop has features that do not meet the minimum requirements required by the software? ? ? ?
thanks in advance for the help and wish everyone

good weekend

 

[re_solidworks]

Did you check if the video card is certified? usually the comsumer cards are not and it is not said to work properly. for professional applications like cad there are video cards appostie see nvidia picture and ati firegl.
laptops are usually mobile workstation bands such as hp elite, precision, etc.
with these pcs you have the guarantee of proper operation as tested and with "optimal" drivers for each software.
in my opinion you might try to change the vga driver hoping it works. Aliware also costs a lot but it is a pc made to play, not to work and does not have certifications that ensure the proper functioning

 

[enrico1979]

Thanks for the advice.

I will try, even if to tell the truth, not being an expert in hardware architecture, I am not sure that the search for useful drivers is for me
so simple.
At least you gave me guidelines to move, dissolving doubts about the performance capabilities of my laptop (so enough) to use the software.
However the pc of the work chose him a computer ing that had white paper, granted by the boss, regarding the expense to be affroted.
You say your choice wasn't the best?
I have been spent 2000 hard and sincerely, seeing the tower of alienware, I had the impression that it was a suitable PC more to play than to work (even if I have to tell the truth at the moment I have misrepresented myself, even in carrying out fem analysis of a certain thought, solve brilliantly, unlike what my first pc of work did, had in inheritance from the person from meava replaced, that it does not.

 

[re_solidworks]

Thanks for the advice.

I will try, even if to tell the truth, not being an expert in hardware architecture, I am not sure that the search for useful drivers is for me
so simple.
At least you gave me guidelines to move, dissolving doubts about the performance capabilities of my laptop (so enough) to use the software.
However the pc of the work chose him a computer ing that had white paper, granted by the boss, regarding the expense to be affroted.
You say your choice wasn't the best?
I have been spent 2000 hard and sincerely, seeing the tower of alienware, I had the impression that it was a suitable PC more to play than to work (even if I have to tell the truth at the moment I have misrepresented myself, even in carrying out fem analysis of a certain thought, solve brilliantly, unlike what my first pc of work did, had in inheritance from the person from meava replaced, that it does not.

certified vgas are similar to gamers as architecture. certificates are tested and ad hoc drivers are calibrated for each professional 3d application. If you go to the nvidia site, you can find certified dirvers in the driver section, you won't even find one for geforce, just for the picture.
the choice can be great for the performance, we say that it risked to take an excellent car not able to turn creo.
2000 euros are something, but for a brand workstation it is enough for a non-performance workstation.
for a high-performance workstation serves much more. try to look at the site of the precision line, just to get an idea, those are certified for all cad.
you can also assemble it from you, but with the right components. I'm working with an assembly with i7-2600k, painting 4000, 16 gb ram and ssd for od and data. fast machine cost 1850 euros finished with 3 years warranty onsite.
for one of the same performance I would have spent 1000 euros more about, but it would have been a xeon with ram etc, equal performance but nevertheless superior quality.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Now I'm not surprised at anything, this is the obvious confirmation.
not to criticize but, an ing.informatic that goes to choose an alienware station typically used for video games leaves me really perplexed, the fact of spending 2000 euros does not center anything, as King said, are similar as architecture but are workstations certified to work with sw cad.
processors are usually xeon and graphic cards always repeating kings, or ati fire pro or nvidia picture, wanting only a card with very high performance of the picture you pay only that 2'000 euros.
He was lucky that it works I create equally at work, otherwise he had to justify it to the boss, but I wouldn't sing victory too soon, maybe with the next update it doesn't work anymore, so eye...
for the home pc I recommend you configure it directly on the website, so you are super safe and risk even spending less.:smile:
greetings

 

[arzigogolo]

Now I'm not surprised at anything, this is the obvious confirmation.
not to criticize but, an ing.informatic that goes to choose an alienware station typically used for video games leaves me really perplexed, the fact of spending 2000 euros does not center anything, as King said, are similar as architecture but are workstations certified to work with sw cad.
processors are usually xeon and graphic cards always repeating kings, or ati fire pro or nvidia picture, wanting only a card with very high performance of the picture you pay only that 2'000 euros.
He was lucky that it works I create equally at work, otherwise he had to justify it to the boss, but I wouldn't sing victory too soon, maybe with the next update it doesn't work anymore, so eye...
for the home pc I recommend you configure it directly on the website, so you are super safe and risk even spending less.:smile:
greetings

Hello Ozzy!:smile:

Yeah, I agree with you, too. to work with a cad program it is better to take a workstation certified with xeon processor and picture video card or ati fire pro that at least you go on safe and avoid surprises.

However, after doing this indispensable premise, I cannot exempt from finding that it is nvidia with the pictures that you ate with the fire pro, take advantage of it a little 'to charge these cards with gold weight, especially considering that the hardware of these cards is basically that of the respective geforce counterparts with besides the penalization of the frequencies of gpu and strongly reduced memory.

It is only a matter of drivers that enable certain characteristics of the gpu framework and fire pro otherwise inhibited in the drivers for geforce and ati radeon.
therefore, not that there are not certain functions in the ludiche boards, but are not simply activated by the drivers.

then another thing: in some inventor programs using direct3d libraries instead of opengl, here is a last-generation geforce card (type 560 ti or 570) manages to manipulate axioms consisting of many components, typically 5000 or 6000 parts, better than I can do a medium-range picture like the 2000 picture.

I personally tried to spin a 6000-part axieme with the fujitsu workstation I have in company, model w510 with xeon processor e1235 with eight nuclei, eight mega caches at the third level, video nvidia board 2000d, 8 gb ram e.c.c., and practically in the operations of "orbita", pan and zoom, had the itself fluidity he had on my home pc with geforce 280 gtx videoludic card.

in practice as fluidity the geforce 280 gtx was identical to the 2000d picture if not even better, always with the same set of 6000 parts!

all this to say that in some cases, you see inventor and also solidworks, a good videoludic card can be on the same floor if not even better than an expensive painting or fire pro, to a fraction of their cost.

then there are programs like creo (ex pro/e), maybe catia and I don't know which others using opengl libraries, and here is that in these cases then it becomes indispensable to equip itself with a good professional card.

However, regardless of everything, I find that the picture cards cost a display in relation to the performance they offer. with this I do not want to say that they are bad tabs, indeed anything else, I just say that make them pay so much it seems to me a nice and good theft, considering how much I said for inventor and solidworks where a videoludic card does even better than a professional.

I am referring in particular to the framework 4000 on, because until the 2000 picture with its approximately 350 euros, it is still reasoned.

 

[maxopus]

Hello Ozzy!:smile:

then another thing: in some inventor programs using direct3d libraries instead of opengl, here is a last-generation geforce card (type 560 ti or 570) manages to manipulate axioms consisting of many components, typically 5000 or 6000 parts, better than I can do a medium-range picture like the 2000 picture.

Excuse me?
That's why, from a graphic point of view, I create like a missile and autodesk products are good for the rusco.
proprietary and open gl graphics bookcases, against microzozz and directx libraries... is a nice difference.
that then nvidia and ati take advantage of it seems to me too, but I am not able to judge how much it costs to develop and certify drivers for the cad market, which has infinitely lower numbers of the consumer market and gamer.

 

[enrico1979]

Bye-bye

You won't believe it.
but the computer I was talking about was fired a long time ago.
....obviously not for the pc you purchased for me but for different reasons
that to say the truth still do not trapelate in the company.
sin....if I asked you I could provide myself with the purchase of my work pc without risking harm.
Go to trust (he seemed to know the fact of him, ...and how he looked.. .!!! ! ,
in the company it seems that no one, including me, regrets it ).

bye

 

[Trotto@81]

Now I'm not surprised at anything, this is the obvious confirmation.
not to criticize but, an ing.informatic that goes to choose an alienware station typically used for video games leaves me really perplexed, the fact of spending 2000 euros does not center anything, as King said, are similar as architecture but are workstations certified to work with sw cad.

many believe that the word engineer is synonymous with competence. Unfortunately it is not always like this!
the proof is that he chose a computer purely from gamers believing that the computing power is everything.
for this kind of application I give importance to the quantity rams and the video card that must be as you said one of the picture series or firegl.
today's quad core processors of the consumer band are more than good for the calculations required by creo.
xeon was almost obligatory a few years ago when there were no really valid alternatives in the lower range of intel lists.
Today that processor is almost prehistory.

 

[arzigogolo]

Excuse me?
That's why, from a graphic point of view, I create like a missile and autodesk products are good for the rusco.
proprietary and open gl graphics bookcases, against microzozz and directx libraries... is a nice difference.
that then nvidia and ati take advantage of it seems to me too, but I am not able to judge how much it costs to develop and certify drivers for the cad market, which has infinitely lower numbers of the consumer market and gamer.

I am very agreeable, inventor, from the "only" graphic point of view, is a ball to the foot! is very slow compared to other software such as creo or even "solid work":biggrin: (solidworks) especially in pan and zoom orbit operations and perhaps just because it is badly optimized as direct3d.

until not long ago, the opengls were superior as performance compared to direct3d in games and cad applications, then also the direct3d winzozz have stepped up and now, especially in the field of video games, have reached a level of technology that perhaps exceeds that of opengl.

in the world of cad I believe that the transition, if ever there will be, towards the direct3d will be slower because they use different graphic properties than the video games and, rightly, gives more importance to the ability to manipulate large assemblies of 3d objects, rather than to the mere graphic effect that interests the video gamer more.

so I don't know: on my behalf the opengl will remain for a long time in the cad sector especially because of the best "robust" architecture and the greater reliability and consequently, also the painting and firegl.

the only thing I repeat, is that if even a video card you need for work, you can not make me pay as much as a high-level computer i.e. on the 2000 euros, especially because, as I said in my last post, the hardware is "exactly" the same if not depotential abstention even if to deprive stability.

I would say that I would make her pay more than the videoludic cards, but not an exaggeration like this!:3559:

 

[maxopus]

that I have to tell you... we put on a development team, develop the drivers and make war on ati and nvidia making them pay only 100-200 euros more than the gamers

 

[arzigogolo]

that I have to tell you... we put on a development team, develop the drivers and make war on ati and nvidia making them pay only 100-200 euros more than the gamers

Lol! I'm here!

 

[Trotto@81]

but also assistance must be higher than that ati and nvidia, you do not only pay the dedicated drivers. :smile:

 

[PTC]

Bye to all,

on proe the graphics cards are fine all (except those without a 3d graphic engine that I now believe no longer exist).

tabs are certified by the manufacturer to limit bug cases in the event of a call opening to technical support.

the opengl is definitely a performance mode higher than the directx but with some proe shortcomings (or creo that it is ) turns practically on everything.

the problem that laments is probably due to antialiasing and to the fact that from wf5 to creo improvements have been made on the improved graphics part of accuracy and quality of about 5 times.

Therefore by not charging the correct config.pro (or charging the default one) you will find a beautiful 3d model but very heavy to handle (especially the effect of tangent edges ).

to solve the problem I recommend:

1) disable antialias, overlap and buffering from the video card setting

2) add these variables to the config.pro that loads at the beginning.

shade_quality 3
skip_small_surface yes
lods_enabled yes
lods_value 50
edge_display_quality normal
smooth_lines no
♪
display shade
graphics x_windows (if you have directx)

with these sets proe (or creo) also turns on an eeepc of asus with win7 starter.... and all in all the graphics are acceptable.

proe has never changed kernel since he was born and if he turned on an old silicone (for whom he knows them) he does it also on a netbook!

I hope I was useful.

Hi.

 

[PTC]

Hello again,

a final clarification... i7 clone processors are much more performing than xeon for calculation and rendering and to manage any desktop activity or workstation on a cad or graphic software as they no longer pass from system chipsets (direct access to memory).

xeons were adopted years ago because they allowed to be installed in parallel (which the old repentum did not allow) and because they reached higher clocks and enabled the user to a parallel use of more software.

in fact today they are used to manage multitasking activities (almost always serverside).

Moreover cads do not manage multiprocessor on modeling and not even on data recovery from disk except for calculations (cinematic, dragging bodies to video, rendering, fem, animations....).

Therefore for a ws I recommend an i7 and not a xeon for every desktop activity much more perform at the expense of a reduced (and not so much) reactivity of any ie, word, outlook in case they are executed and used in conjunction with calculations.

all this has been tested by me personally on different ws (certified) hp z210 (i7) hp z410 (xeon) hp z800 (xeon 2 proc)

the result is that the z210 is for every single task the most performing... and not recently.

for any clarifications are available.

Hi.

 

[Trotto@81]

Beyond the nick I recognize you the commitment and knowledge.
Finally one every now and then that does not come to scrouch and escape. :biggrin:

 

[Momy985]

Good evening to all, I would need a advice on buying a new workstation.
Currently we use of the m90, m6300 (with wf3 and creo elements) a ws of the t5400 xeon (wf3-4) and an hp elitebox 8760w (used with wf3, but taken for compatibility with I create in fact the graphics card some options have been disabled for problems encountered, we wait for the customer to pass to the sucessive versions).
Now I have to choose a fixed ws. what machine do you recommend, a assembled with a certified graphics card or a complete ws? I among the features thought to a ssd disk for the operating system and programs and a hd for the data...i7 - 8gb ram.
the machine must be compatible with creo elements currently used, but also with creo1 for a migration of the next years, already confirmed.


Thank you.