minimum wage for mechanical ing factotum

[TAURUS77]

and already.

The sub-inquadration is now practice.

I too, for example, after 8 years of experience are still 5 level as when I started working as a graduate. I believe that most engineers after about 36 months is already 5s or 6 level.

It will also be true that in my life I never asked for an increase.

right by curiosity, what level are you on?

I was framed with a v metalmechanical before and after with a trade with another company.

 

[re_solidworks]

that universities are sometimes far from reality is a fact even if I have to tell the truth according to me here to the north universities are a little better from the practical point of view than the south that are still too theoretical perhaps because those of northern Italy have more contacts with the various industrial realities.
the step from the world of university to that of work often not pleasant you have the head full of theory and little practice but I want to say that in part it is right so you can not know everything about it and pretend to use a software, equipment or manipulate a methodology of work as a veteran of the industry.
a company that takes a graduate invests on the person both from the technical and human point of view and pays it on the basis of his real eperience and good will but such compensation must be such as to allow the individual to live dignifiedly. . I think it is the subject of this discussion.
for my experience from a direct comparison with the new levers I must say that the situations are the most varied and disparate from those who do not know the difference between power and couple to many other trivial examples. .to the daughter of an acquaintance who at the end of a course of studies in electronic engineering had not yet supported the examination of physics2...in my time in the old order if not you had all the subjects of the biennium with the cabbage that came to the fifth year.

I say that an ing. also new graduate should be able to perform some structural verification, as well as should be able to read a technical design that respects the regulations. Of course it cannot know everything immediately, the problem is that most newly graduates (all I met except one) did not know how to do "or" with the glass.
at this point the question arises: Why do I have to pay an engineer when I am in fact in front of a person who knows nothing about engineering? why does the company have to support the expenses of a training that should already be acquired and is certified by a degree?
I am convinced that if a boy has applied seriously during studies, filling with extra school experiences the holes of the university (that's why it's enough to go to work in summer and in this way you get in touch with the working realities) and demonstrates grit, knowledge of what provided by his degree and good will is assumed and hardly let go.
when a company sees a person as an excellent resource hardly lets him leave for 200/300 euros.
it is necessary to prove very useful to the business purpose of quality of work and productivity. I believe, of course, that it is right to demonstrate it with its daily work, engaging itself as if the company was its own.

 

[PierArg]

I say that an ing. also new graduate should be able to perform some structural verification, as well as should be able to read a technical design that respects the regulations. Of course it cannot know everything immediately, the problem is that most newly graduates (all I met except one) did not know how to do "or" with the glass.
at this point the question arises: Why do I have to pay an engineer when I am in fact in front of a person who knows nothing about engineering? why does the company have to support the expenses of a training that should already be acquired and is certified by a degree?
I am convinced that if a boy has applied seriously during studies, filling with extra school experiences the holes of the university (that's why it's enough to go to work in summer and in this way you get in touch with the working realities) and demonstrates grit, knowledge of what provided by his degree and good will is assumed and hardly let go.
when a company sees a person as an excellent resource hardly lets him leave for 200/300 euros.

quoto in toto...in the end it leads back to my initial post.:finger:

I've seen people get out of college with graduation and I wouldn't bet on a single cent.

at least try to see the situation on the positive side: emerge and stand out in the middle of cotanta ignorance is easier.

 

[TAURUS77]

quoto in toto...in the end it leads back to my initial post.:finger:

I've seen people get out of college with graduation and I wouldn't bet on a single cent.

at least try to see the situation on the positive side: emerge and stand out in the middle of cotanta ignorance is easier.

I agree with you: but I wanted to point out that not in all sectors and not in all universities you have the opportunity to experience and practice...for example in the automotive sector it is not easy to enter and often experience you do it on the field. I am in this category where know-how is secured but since I started I have given full availability both to learn new things and flexibility in times and transfers. ...without realizing this attitude a little rewarded me and it doesn't pass day that I don't add a new dowel to my puzzle.

 

[Matteo]

I would not argue in terms of "minimum wage", but of "possibility to grow professionally and to see recognized growth, even economically". the problem is often not so much the minimum of departure, but the impossibility to grow later: companies that do not invest in research and improvement and pursue orders with logic "we have always done so", or technical directors who for fear that a young man can grow and question them are frequent in my experience.

 

[TAURUS77]

I would not argue in terms of "minimum wage", but of "possibility to grow professionally and to see recognized growth, even economically". the problem is often not so much the minimum of departure, but the impossibility to grow later: companies that do not invest in research and improvement and pursue orders with logic "we have always done so", or technical directors who for fear that a young man can grow and question them are frequent in my experience.

Hello, matteo!
I agree with your reasoning but everything depends on what personal situation you start...to say it in plain words " depends if you have a full or empty belly"...you know how many good colleagues I have left down that for reduced economic conditions they enlist what comes...from making agricultural workers or working in oil cellars or winemakers, masons..etc etc. (who put aside the few savings to pay for air tickets and lodging).
the situation is dramatic. . .provinciation of trapani and agrigento, trampled the hunger is cut with the knife, in my area in the last six months three boys have removed their life for despair, one of these was a very young bricklayer who leaves wife and a child.
My reasoning is in the perspective of a minimum that guarantees the support of the individual in this society that aspires to a civil life.

 

[meccanicamg]

hi taurus, the minimum determines it with your estimated ordinary and extraordinary monthly expenses. if what they offer you is greater or equal to what you have calculated is ok. in the end they do a little so and you agree a little with the employer, especially if the offer is low.

you have to evaluate if you are alone, with family, you only work or not etc.

 

[numero1]

My reasoning is in the perspective of a minimum that guarantees the support of the individual in this society that aspires to a civil life.

I've already thanked you... but I agree and thank you again.

 

[numero1]

I say that an ing. also new graduate should be able to perform some structural verification, as well as should be able to read a technical design that respects the regulations. Of course it cannot know everything immediately, the problem is that most newly graduates (all I met except one) did not know how to do "or" with the glass.
at this point the question arises: Why do I have to pay an engineer when I am in fact in front of a person who knows nothing about engineering? why does the company have to support the expenses of a training that should already be acquired and is certified by a degree?
I am convinced that if a boy has applied seriously during studies, filling with extra school experiences the holes of the university (that's why it's enough to go to work in summer and in this way you get in touch with the working realities) and demonstrates grit, knowledge of what provided by his degree and good will is assumed and hardly let go.

Okay.

when a company sees a person as an excellent resource hardly lets him leave for 200/300 euros.
it is necessary to prove very useful to the business purpose of quality of work and productivity. I believe, of course, that it is right to demonstrate it with its daily work, engaging itself as if the company was its own.

I don't agree here, and not just me, I'm the living proof that isn't.
In fact... .

 

[PierArg]

...
when a company Serious. sees a person as an excellent resource hardly lets him leave for 200/300 euros.
it is necessary to prove very useful to the business purpose of quality of work and productivity. I believe, of course, that it is right to demonstrate it with its daily work, engaging itself as if the company was its own.

Well, now it's fine.

 

[re_solidworks]

Okay.



I don't agree here, and not just me, I'm the living proof that isn't.
In fact... .

Well, now it's fine.

companies are managed by people and are not infallible and can wrong judgment on a person or underestimate the benefit that this person brings with his own work. I have had positive experiences, in essence I have always committed a lot and I have always had a feedback (not always only at an economic level). It must be said that I have always worked in small companies and continuous direct contact with the property has its advantages and disadvantages. Surely in big companies the speech changes and it definitely happens to be seen as a "threat" when you are too bright. I have worked for large companies only from outside and in these cases experiences have never been exciting.

 

[numero1]

Mah... What do you mean by big companies?
I have worked for companies of 5/10 people up to a max of 200; then these firms took orders from colossi is fine, it is a fact.
but I, finding myself in contact with the staff of the "colosso" (excluding a case) I always found myself well.
and also, paradoxically, I have to tell you that I was better in the bigger company; or that of 200 people that in the one from 5/10.
direct contact with the property for me was definitely more disadvantageous than advantageous.
Hi.

 

[re_solidworks]

Mah... What do you mean by big companies?
I have worked for companies of 5/10 people up to a max of 200; then these firms took orders from colossi is fine, it is a fact.
but I, finding myself in contact with the staff of the "colosso" (excluding a case) I always found myself well.
and also, paradoxically, I have to tell you that I was better in the bigger company; or that of 200 people that in the one from 5/10.
direct contact with the property for me was definitely more disadvantageous than advantageous.
Hi.

for small companies I mean companies with maximum 50 employees. the "big" companies I worked for were about 300 employees in the single location.
we say that the more the company is big and the more likely the management resembles the public. in this case you do not always advance and you work only according to the quality you are able to produce.

 

[numero1]

for small companies I mean companies with maximum 50 employees. the "big" companies I worked for were about 300 employees in the single location.
we say that the more the company is big and the more likely the management resembles the public. in this case you do not always advance and you work only according to the quality you are able to produce.

............ Maybe yes and maybe not about quality, but when you wrote:

"certainly in big companies the speech changes and it definitely happens to be seen as a "threat" when you are too bright. "

Well absolutely not, all my experience says no!
greater number of people = less chance of being seen as a "mine", regardless of whether you are brilliant as a diamond or as a beach stone.

 

[Marco93!]

I heard from other users that you should have gained some experience during graduation. I just started the magisterium, I sent resumes to companies in my area telling him that I also worked free to learn something, but they didn't even answer me. How am I supposed to move?

 

[Matteo]

I heard from other users that you should have gained some experience during graduation. I just started the magisterium, I sent resumes to companies in my area telling him that I also worked free to learn something, but they didn't even answer me. How am I supposed to move?

the concept of experience is relative: objectively it is very difficult to acquire an experience "from the workshop" or "from the company" during the degree (various paths as a student or similar formula, in my opinion they do not serve anything).

From the point of view of the "employer" (although I do not expect to increase the staff of my study these days), I believe that the fact, for example, to finish the studies in time (3+2 + 6 months of margin) is an excellent indicator of the ability to organize, establish goals and realize them, much more than a 100+lode in 6/7 years.

 

[Marco93!]

the concept of experience is relative: objectively it is very difficult to acquire an experience "from the workshop" or "from the company" during the degree (various paths as a student or similar formula, in my opinion they do not serve anything).

From the point of view of the "employer" (although I do not expect to increase the staff of my study these days), I believe that the fact, for example, to finish the studies in time (3+2 + 6 months of margin) is an excellent indicator of the ability to organize, establish goals and realize them, much more than a 100+lode in 6/7 years.

then I am cut out, I enrolled at 22 years in civil engineering, in 5 years I took the three-year in civil engineering and integrated all mechanical engineering tests and now I am doing the specialist in mechanics. I worked in a travel agency and a real estate agency before starting the university, now I only make the waiter the weekend and I do the IT technician when it happens

 

[Matteo]

then I am cut out, I enrolled at 22 years in civil engineering, in 5 years I took the three-year in civil engineering and integrated all mechanical engineering tests and now I am doing the specialist in mechanics. I worked in a travel agency and a real estate agency before starting the university, now I only make the waiter the weekend and I do the IT technician when it happens

I was talking for "students" full time! any work experience during the course of studies, provided that it is real and documentable, although in different sectors, it is an element in favor.

 

[Marco93!]

I was talking for "students" full time! any work experience during the course of studies, provided that it is real and documentable, although in different sectors, it is an element in favor.

documenting a job as a waiter in black, is not easy. However I would now have the opportunity to work in a company that deals with safety in the industrial manufacturing field with a contact in order, is not really relevant with mechanical engineering, but better than other works. I don't know if I'd accept it because I would extend my degree even more.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

...(various paths as student or similar formula, in my opinion they do not serve anything... .

If I had to deal with packaging machines, it's definitely true.
If, by chance, you have to deal with product in the automotive or motorsport sector, it's not true that it's useless. Then, being taken or tested depends on many factors: first, who you know and your "cultural background". then, all the rest.