modeling cupolino motorcycle: times and price.

[Delysid]

Hi, I hope I didn't have the wrong section, but the moderators also intervene to move it.

I was charged with remodeling the dome of a motorcycle (similar to that of duchy 916) on the basis of a 3d scan. Since this kind of work I have always done it as an employee and now I am unemployed I have no idea of a reasonable price to apply.

the job would be to be done using pro/e and its module surfaces.

the cupolino is similar to this:

strange thing they didn't tell me that you have to mate with the side hulls they told me with what productive technique to do.

want only the g2 surfaces as adherents as possible to the cloud of points and just.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

evaluate how much you do it and apply an hourly rate (for example 25€/h).

this type of precaution is defined as "a vacation"

 

[Delysid]

Thank you, I think I'd take two or three days to do that. is it too much time?

 

[maxopus]

careful not to sell yourself, this is a job normally well paid.
the hourly rate is much higher, although you have to make a well-made model, in so-called class a.
As time I can't tell you, it depends on the complexity of geometry and I can judge it only by analyzing the scan properly.
If it is simple, the 2/3 days can suffice, there are instead pieces for which it takes 2 weeks of work.

 

[Delysid]

If it is simple, the 2/3 days can suffice, there are instead pieces for which it takes 2 weeks of work.

and already! and unfortunately we are the usual, indeed, in this period worse than ever... :36_1_4:
But if I shoot a week, they're already out, and we're here, we know how these things are.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

We're serious.
if they give you the cloud of points, and you have to make four surfaces on the cross, do not reverse engineering, do not make mold optimization, in half day you do the zero version, and 2/3 days are right for the finished piece. At least in my opinion.

It's a pretty short job, so maybe you can ask for something more, but if as maxopus says, "the hourly rate is much higher," then it's me who work for free?

 

[maxopus]

fulvio, make some accounts, remove the expenses of your business from 25 euros, then remove 50% tax between inps and irpef and see what remains.
I have already expressed the concept a couple of years ago and remain of the same opinion.
I for 25 euros per hour.... I'm going back to being an employee.
for 35 euros/hour I make the designer at my home, if I have to do it with the customer I add the expenses and the time lost for the transfer.
If I have to make the designer the prices go up, if I have to reverse serious ... the prices are 3 times so, otherwise you whistle.
in Italy as we make Chinese in small scale, there are the prices you say.
the companies that ask me those prices, I'm gonna peel off my office.

 

[Matteo]

fulvio, make some accounts, remove the expenses of your business from 25 euros, then remove 50% tax between inps and irpef and see what remains.
I have already expressed the concept a couple of years ago and remain of the same opinion.
I for 25 euros per hour.... I'm going back to being an employee.
for 35 euros/hour I make the designer at my home, if I have to do it with the customer I add the expenses and the time lost for the transfer.
If I have to make the designer the prices go up, if I have to reverse serious ... the prices are 3 times so, otherwise you whistle.
in Italy as we make Chinese in small scale, there are the prices you say.
the companies that ask me those prices, I'm gonna peel off my office.

I agree... 25€/h is not a sustainable tariff if we calculate fees and cost software/hardware/transfer.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

fulvio, make some accounts, remove the expenses of your business from 25 euros, then remove 50% tax between inps and irpef and see what remains.
I have already expressed the concept a couple of years ago and remain of the same opinion.
I for 25 euros per hour.... I'm going back to being an employee.
for 35 euros/hour I make the designer at my home, if I have to do it with the customer I add the expenses and the time lost for the transfer.
If I have to make the designer the prices go up, if I have to reverse serious ... the prices are 3 times so, otherwise you whistle.
in Italy as we make Chinese in small scale, there are the prices you say.
the companies that ask me those prices, I'm gonna peel off my office.

better so, it means that everything depends on a misunderstanding.
I mean 25 nets, to which to add the statement of acceptance, it was because they are free, plus expenses (hw and sw).
Okay, speaking of net is a wrong account. However, since each company has different costs, I thought I would make the reasoning "what I want for me, then I add the rest"

 

[cacciatorino]

I agree... 25€/h is not a sustainable tariff if we calculate fees and cost software/hardware/transfer.

You who live in the north, this is all other music...

 

[Fulvio Romano]

You who live in the north, this is all other music...

easy to talk so...crash your numbers! :tongue:
apart from the jokes, it is a matter enough discussed on the forum. I would ask a lot, about 650€ for this job, if there's anything I understand to do. But I don't have a company.

What about you? How much would you ask?

Moreover, for the design of a plant, we talk about a working year, I made a quote for a slightly higher figure. design costs enough more, but the duration of the project is greater.

How would you rule?

 

[cacciatorino]

easy to talk so...crash your numbers! :tongue:

in these parts, for the design of automatic machines the maximum rate is 25+iva and it is already hard to make it accept to customers, but there are people who work even less. Anyway, it's a recurring subject.

There are very few who get more but this is very specialty work.

Coem do a job that lasts a year? Is there still contracts for acceptance testing more than four months from the date of order? ? ? ?

 

[re_solidworks]

in my opinion it would be enough to start sending finance to those who make prices too much troubled, because or work for glory or clearly is working with software of dubious origin. otherwise only purchase/maintenance costs would make him raise the rates.
excuse me if outside my opinion this way, but if a study has: solidworks, inventor, proe, catia, solidedge and work less than 30 euros..... We already know how it does!

 

[maxopus]

in my opinion it would be enough to start sending finance to those who make prices too much troubled, because or work for glory or clearly is working with software of dubious origin. otherwise only purchase/maintenance costs would make him raise the rates.
excuse me if outside my opinion this way, but if a study has: solidworks, inventor, proe, catia, solidedge and work less than 30 euros..... We already know how it does!

This is a huge problem, and we should first report it.
I've already done a couple... :Mother:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

in these parts, for the design of automatic machines the maximum rate is 25+iva and it is already hard to make it accept to customers, but there are people who work even less. Anyway, it's a recurring subject.

There are very few who get more but this is very specialty work.

Coem do a job that lasts a year? Is there still contracts for acceptance testing more than four months from the date of order? ? ? ?

are actually three separate orders for the same plant, each with its life.

in my opinion it would be enough to start sending finance to those who make prices too much troubled, because or work for glory or clearly is working with software of dubious origin. otherwise only purchase/maintenance costs would make him raise the rates.
excuse me if outside my opinion this way, but if a study has: solidworks, inventor, proe, catia, solidedge and work less than 30 euros..... We already know how it does!

That's true. However, it must also be considered that if a study has legal software that does not use for a contract, it cannot charge its amortization.
If I make a project with autocad, I can't download the cost of buying caia. You think?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

That's true. However, it must also be considered that if a study has legal software that does not use for a contract, it cannot charge its amortization.
If I make a project with autocad, I can't download the cost of buying caia. You think?

I do not agree, they are made of the technical office, which tools has, how many employees has, what office and structure possesses.
many honest and serious design offices often and willingly lose jobs for this kind of reason.
Pretend you're the client. .
the company x owns: 10 different cads with possibility to perform all your work natively.
the company y owns 1 cad (maybe even what you need) and therefore is less flexible and has much less firepower.
who are you going to equal price?
the answer is discounted.. .


greetings

 

[cacciatorino]

If I make a project with autocad, I can't download the cost of buying caia. You think?

is correct at the level of internal construction of the contract. doing an analogy: It is absurd to charge on the turned pieces the cost of depreciation of the milling machine.

But it is true that the rate of the milling machine you have to pay for it, as well as those of catia, so that the embroidery of the turned pieces (or of the autocad files) will have to cover also the costs of the milling machine (or of catia), otherwise the shack goes for air, in the sad case for which the milling machine or the license of catia remain unused in the subscala.

so who has all the cads must forcefully work at a higher time cost than the one who has only one, otherwise the accounts do not return, unless it is an associate study in which a partner puts a license, another puts another, etc, and then they will turn if they have to work for the same client with the same cad..

 

[Fulvio Romano]

But it is true that the rate of the milling machine you have to pay for it, as well as those of catia, so that the embroidery of the turned pieces (or of the autocad files) will have to cover also the costs of the milling machine (or of catia), otherwise the shack goes for air, in the sad case for which the milling machine or the license of catia remain unused in the subscala.

If you buy the miller not to use it, you have wrong to purchase it. Why should the customer pay for machines that buy as furniture?

However the speech you do is correct in part, in my previous post I was actually too categorical (and "light").

 

[linch]

fulvio, make some accounts, remove the expenses of your business from 25 euros, then remove 50% tax between inps and irpef and see what remains.
I have already expressed the concept a couple of years ago and remain of the same opinion.
I for 25 euros per hour.... I'm going back to being an employee.
for 35 euros/hour I make the designer at my home, if I have to do it with the customer I add the expenses and the time lost for the transfer.
If I have to make the designer the prices go up, if I have to reverse serious ... the prices are 3 times so, otherwise you whistle.
in Italy as we make Chinese in small scale, there are the prices you say.
the companies that ask me those prices, I'm gonna peel off my office.

quoto in toto.
I use the same parameters.

 

[marcof]

If you buy the miller not to use it, you have wrong to purchase it. Why should the customer pay for machines that buy as furniture?

for the same reason, iho, so your hourly cost remains unchanged from summer to winter, despite in winter the company's costs for lighting and heating are enormously higher than in summer.
"is the sum that makes the total... " [Cit.De Curtis] :

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