monetize your work.

[New Rider]

Good evening, guys. .
I ask you, since you will certainly have seen of crushes and cruel how much I can demand in terms of money for a hypothetical new job.
Current situation: technical employee employed for 3 years, indefinite working contract and business economic situation in positive in which 40 people work. I join a partner with less experience to mine. I mean, you're gonna be the technical officer.
hypothetical new situation: metalmechanical company that mainly deals with assemblies of mechanical details. managed by quality system with an eye pointed to the future. He has no technical office. everything was managed by external technical office. the owner wants to create an internal technical office that takes care of : redesign what has done the external study with the program that will go to buy, manage the distinct create the new manual integrated with 3d modeling (explosions,catalogues, digital charts etc). interface with internal commercial to optimize costs and times, procacciare new potential suppliers, manage cad system with pdm, etc. In short, to establish a technical office of a small company of 20 people. offer fixed-time contract 2 years. I don't know their budgets.
The work is basically the same as in the fact that in the current employment there is a solid reality established with an office already established while in the other there is everything to be created with the pros and cons of the case.
in the light of what is said how much money could be made in terms of the current pay?
I hope I made the speech clear.
Thank you.

 

[PierArg]

On average, when there is a change, the salary increments are 10%.
then it is obvious that it depends on many other factors that have already been widely discussed in other discussion (motivation to change, distance, possible benefits, professional growth, current unsatisfactory working environment, etc., etc.).

 

[New Rider]

already the fact of offering a certain of 2 years could be a worsening factor towards me.

 

[PierArg]

depends on company policy.
I wouldn't accept. or at least I would say: "respect your policy but the determined one does not speak of it. I'm sorry and goodbye"

 

[cacciatorino]

already the fact of offering a certain of 2 years could be a worsening factor towards me.

If you have confidence in your skills I don't see the problem. I guess if you're going to charge your company will be willing to keep you and indeed, the renewal might be the opportunity for you to review the pay.

 

[New Rider]

update: after a second interview they offered me an undetermined time, underlining But even if I sign the undetermined I always have a 3-month trial period in which both sides can rethink. already this makes me twist my nose.not that they or I can not do it but the fact of underlining this legal ''clausula' besides gives me to think. They asked me insistently to see if I actually take the amount I told him. (confidence already on departure). I have guided them in the choice and purchase of the workstation and application 3d, I have installed the software independently, created various cards,tables etc. In short, put up a small part of work. They told me that they do not feel sure to give me what I currently take in a closed box (i.e. without greening me at work/.. but how??? When I was dealing with the softwarehouse or I did you some time lost jobs and you were next to me you didn't see what I did???!/ ). I told him that if I change I want something more than what I currently take since I will have to create/found an internal u.t with all pros and cons. How much could the salary be quantified in € said that?

If you have confidence in your skills I don't see the problem. I guess if you're going to charge your company will be willing to keep you and indeed, the renewal might be the opportunity for you to review the pay.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

that companies have "fear" is quite common, also because unfortunately many people are dealing with what is not.
and often happens with those who accept lower salaries than they would be due to that job, which companies like very much. but this is another speech.
When I changed I always demanded the time indefinite, because I already had such a contract and because, in my opinion, for a qualified figure I do not see a correct move to propose a certain one. I always proposed a longer trial period than the contract period, at the end of which I was trying to predict an increase in salary.
Given the tasks you have to have, with relative responsibilities, I think it is due a proper salary.
not knowing your current pay you struggle to give you a figure, also because often the salary is determined by various factors.

 

[PierArg]

the trial period is contracted. depends on the type of frame and can reach up to 6 months. during this period both parties may terminate the contract without justifying it.

on the salary I do not pronunciate but depends on many factors not only on the type of framement and job but also on the type of company (small, medium, large, multinational, number of employees, turnover, etc., etc., etc.)

 

[ceschi1959]

the trial period as well as notice are contractual and mandatory aspects and as it said pierarg can arrive at very long times.
for what concerns the pay envelope is quite logical that they ask you because from there you understand how you are paid and that is if there are figures per personm, minimum variable superminims etc. etc.
to tell you then how much could you ask now what level are you? What degree do you have? How many monthly? Are you flattering or not?
in your profile you call yourself an apprentice I don't know if in fact or in vocation, you've been working for three years and you seem to have been offered the opportunity of your life.
there are so many aspects to evaluate not only the economic one.

 

[stevie]

I don't know, but it doesn't give me a good feeling. . .
no technical office, management entrusted to external technical office, especially offer you contract determined. . .
do they rely on the creation and management of a technical office ex novo to a contracted employee?
Forgive me, but we're not there, we're leaving with the wrong foot. . .
I would be curious to know how much they offer you, for me for something like that you should not be under the minimum 2000-2500 nets.
apart from the fact that everything that would demand from you a person alone can not do it.. .
Maybe they expect from you what now does the outside office with x employees. It's better to make things clear before you find surprises.

regarding the budget if it is a srl you can remove the utility going on registerimprese.it
to the small amount of 2,50 € you can see the last budget deposited (at the current date that of 2015, for that of 2016 you must wait late April).
Good luck.

 

[stevie]

I see now that they have proposed you the undetermined, but to specify that within 3 months of trial they are free to send you away...
Listen to one who's seen all the colors... let it go.
these here make you put on everything and then give you a pawn in cu*o and take people in agency to 800 euros/month, experiences already seen.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

and would put it all up in 3 months?
with only 3 years of experience? it will be effective after the end of the trial period.
In my opinion, this is their doubt, they think that he is young for such a role and project and they want caution.

 

[New Rider]

the trial period as well as notice are contractual and mandatory aspects and as it said pierarg can arrive at very long times.
for what concerns the pay envelope is quite logical that they ask you because from there you understand how you are paid and that is if there are figures per personm, minimum variable superminims etc. etc.
to tell you then how much could you ask now what level are you? What degree do you have? How many monthly? Are you flattering or not?
in your profile you call yourself an apprentice I don't know if in fact or in vocation, you've been working for three years and you seem to have been offered the opportunity of your life.
there are so many aspects to evaluate not only the economic one.

diploma of mechanical expert, 13 monthly, net salary 1,8k/month+straordinari, apprentice of vocation because you never stop learning. work for 10 years of which the last 4/5 years in the technical office.

I don't know, but it doesn't give me a good feeling. . .
no technical office, management entrusted to external technical office, especially offer you contract determined. . .
do they rely on the creation and management of a technical office ex novo to a contracted employee?
Forgive me, but we're not there, we're leaving with the wrong foot. . .
I would be curious to know how much they offer you, for me for something like that you should not be under the minimum 2000-2500 nets.
apart from the fact that everything that would demand from you a person alone can not do it.. .
Maybe they expect from you what now does the outside office with x employees. It's better to make things clear before you find surprises.

regarding the budget if it is a srl you can remove the utility going on registerimprese.it
to the small amount of 2,50 € you can see the last budget deposited (at the current date that of 2015, for that of 2016 you must wait late April).
Good luck.

they thought they offered me on 1,6/1,7 k/month. They don't have any problem delivering my records.

I see now that they have proposed you the undetermined, but to specify that within 3 months of trial they are free to send you away...
Listen to one who's seen all the colors... let it go.
these here make you put on everything and then give you a pawn in cu*o and take people in agency to 800 euros/month, experiences already seen.

same thing I told them during the interview.

and would put it all up in 3 months?
with only 3 years of experience? it will be effective after the end of the trial period.
In my opinion, this is their doubt, they think that he is young for such a role and project and they want caution.

rightly everyone looks at their own interests. I have to protect myself in another way. Where did you see that I've been working alone for three years?


However, the thought of stevie is the same as I did...

 

[PierArg]

I didn't want to specify but stevie practically said the amount I would think too.
more on 2500 than on 2000

 

[New Rider]

and would put it all up in 3 months?
with only 3 years of experience? it will be effective after the end of the trial period.
In my opinion, this is their doubt, they think that he is young for such a role and project and they want caution.

I could make a hole in the water like I could even send it to regimen and then so many greetings that we find something cheaper.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I agree with pierarg on the salary, what they offered you is the pay of a good designer not of an office boss.
to send you away as they would have seen that they offer you an undetermined?
Good thing you're not gonna be able to put it all up before the end of the trial period.

My personal idea, a company looking for a figure like that and wanting to pay those figures is to let go.
I come back on my idea expressed several times, our entrepreneurs must change register and point on quality and not only on price. all those I have seen in the past apply this logic are malino, crushed by the competition of countries at low cost. who instead focused on innovation and skills of the staff, paying the right to have them, continued to work even in crisis period and now sees the fruits of their investments.

 

[New Rider]

I agree with pierarg on the salary, what they offered you is the pay of a good designer not of an office boss.
to send you away as they would have seen that they offer you an undetermined?
Good thing you're not gonna be able to put it all up before the end of the trial period.

My personal idea, a company looking for a figure like that and wanting to pay those figures is to let go.
I come back on my idea expressed several times, our entrepreneurs must change register and point on quality and not only on price. all those I have seen in the past apply this logic are malino, crushed by the competition of countries at low cost. who instead focused on innovation and skills of the staff, paying the right to have them, continued to work even in crisis period and now sees the fruits of their investments.

I believe that to get into a reality, besides creating, the minimum will take 2/3 years before entering regime.
initially offered me 2 years to 1,6/1,7k/month. past the two years do not renew the contract and take one to 0.8k/month so much greetings and goodbye. I will find myself in the middle of the road and they will have, in good or evil, a small/big base.

 

[ceschi1959]

to send you away as they would have seen that they offer you an undetermined? .

it is called jobs act to growing overalls, shoot you away with a compensation and who you have seen you have seen!
from 7 March 2015 came into force the Legislative Decree no. 23 of 4 March 2015 which bears provisions on contract of work indefinitely to increasing safeguards.

for workers employed, transformed or qualified, from 7 March 2015, the legislator introduces a new regime of protection for illegitimate dismissals by removing any discretion to the judge and providing for an increasing compensation allowance because of the atiness of service in the company

 

[cacciatorino]

I agree with pierarg on the salary, what they offered you is the pay of a good designer not of an office boss.
to send you away as they would have seen that they offer you an undetermined?
Good thing you're not gonna be able to put it all up before the end of the trial period.

My personal idea, a company looking for a figure like that and wanting to pay those figures is to let go.
I come back on my idea expressed several times, our entrepreneurs must change register and point on quality and not only on price. all those I have seen in the past apply this logic are malino, crushed by the competition of countries at low cost. who instead focused on innovation and skills of the staff, paying the right to have them, continued to work even in crisis period and now sees the fruits of their investments.

It seems more cad-manager than head office, and then head office of himself! :biggrin: for what you ask (a hard drive, a cad and a poor encoding system) I do not think there are to be uncomfortable categories too highlocate. In fact, the company would seem willing to grow as it invests in transferring skills inside instead of buying them in the outside market.

As regards the fact "first I put on everything then they send me away and take an apprentice to 800/month" can also be given, but I think that a minimum of optimism and confidence in the future is a necessary condition to live peacefully and seize the opportunities that happen to us. Maybe it's not the specific case, but giving up an opportunity because there's a minimum of risk can only condemn us to stay where we are and never improve.

I always smile a little when I feel of research always and anyway of t.i.: I've been working for 20 years without knowing what I'm gonna do in a month, but for now I'm happy...

 

[PierArg]

. .

I always smile a little when I feel of research always and anyway of t.i.: I've been working for 20 years without knowing what I'm gonna do in a month, but for now I'm happy...

here, however, disillusioned hunting:
One thing is to be a free professional: You're the head of yourself, you don't depend and you don't have to listen to anyone.
In the end, if things don't turn well, it also depends on you.

another speech is to be dependent on time determined with contracts that renew you every 20 days and, in the case of termination, communicate it to you at 18:01 of the last day.

among other things it also remembers that a t.i in case of change of work has a contractual power decidedly higher than t.d.

finally think about what the new company of you should think:
"this was available to change company for less money and for a t.d. when it was quietly t.iexplain to me what "authority" one day could you ask for an increase?