most popular software for carpentry

[Carlo Steel]

corridor rumors say that for January or June 2012 should come out with the new version. . has been the corporate passage that has delayed the development of the new versions ( v8i already 'very good), cmq I hope to find something substantial already' to the 2011 saie and not the usual releases.. we will see

 

[cris74]

the survey has stopped again
Let us see if on the return of the holidays depart
for now tekla ahead to all for little

 

[Carlo Steel]

About the survey, mark another software (autocad application) steel draw, designed for the design and modeling of metal structures.

It's a discreet product but without too much pretence, the big defect is that it's not parametric... I used it 2 years (but the fact of nn being parametric makes it lose a lot of points, for example if you make a bevel on a nn profile it is more 'possible to delete it or change it and to do that' you have to lengthen the profile, cut it and reapply the modified bevel) this is the site, take a look http://sites.google.com/site/steeldraw/

 

[gil]

what amazes me with the vote and the very limited number of people using programs style inventor, soldworks, catia etcc.
ok are more used in mechanics, but they have a very parameterized management that could be interesting also in carpenteira. Are they too busy?

 

[re_solidworks]

what amazes me with the vote and the very limited number of people using programs style inventor, soldworks, catia etcc.
ok are more used in mechanics, but they have a very parameterized management that could be interesting also in carpenteira. Are they too busy?

and how could they vote? are not included in the list. I and maxopus intervened, but the discussion immediately took a little constructive turn.
I said this I made several carpenters with solidworks both using a traditional modeling and modeling with welded.
the work is done and if you exploit the parametric as you have to be very competitive.
the drawings that we made to the customer were impassed much better than the designs they produce internally and we satisfied them in full.
in a project for the mounting boards we are resorted to 2d exporting views from solidworks and then finishing it in autocad.
In that case the model was quite complex and there were problems in simplifying it which suggested we do this way.
all without using steelworks or similar, with smooth swx.

 

[gil]

When I did this survey, I didn't take into account so many things. A very indicative analysis was also planned. to make an example how to understand how many votes taken from a software are related to a "real use" and not for a "hope of future use"? in fact the sodaggio says "... or would you like to use".

Maybe with multiple questions for a more detailed analysis. I've never done this before so as not to lose all the votes collected. but if there was a general interest in the forum...

 

[Koram]

Hello everyone! I just joined the site, I came across this dedicated forum, from a small research into carpentry design and structural calculation. I'm about to graduate in architecture, and I'll have to try exactly with all the issues that you most or less describe in the debate. I have read very nicely all posts of each of you, also because I will have to choose a program that allows me structural calculation and return of the elaborates for metal carpentry.
I've heard about tekla, pro sap, prosteel. Last I downloaded the Italian demo for edilus I wanted to know what you thought.
Anyway reading your posts, what jumps to my attention is an aspect already quoted by someone of you (I ask sorry, but I don't remember who), it is worth spending 20 thousand euros for tekla when the same thing you do with an equally valid program that costs much less? Then the principle already described, of being aware of what we are called to do, which obviously is different for each of you (I exclude myself because I still have no experience ). For example, I will start as a sink I will hardly be able to buy a tekla license to understand it, but it is also true that I will not make a stadium (at least not immediately hihihihihihihihihi). voting is quite difficult at this point, because for everyone change the conditions to the outline value for money, unreliable when deciding to buy any software for business use.

 

[Koram]

other people, so it also serves as an example...I use autocad for design 2d\3d (not mention 3d study for obvious incompatibility with calculation programs) , not wanting to completely migrate to other program for structural calculation, what should I use better? What is the best way to have a unique production process (or almost)? I just want to specify that I imagine my beginnings of having to confront me with light carpentry! Thank you and hello to all!

 

[gil]

Hi.
in the post you say you're still a student next to the profession. wishing you the best I don't think you'll soon get into your own, but more likely you'll have to do some practice at a studio. regardless of whether or not I comply with law in your case, but at least to do a little practice.

therefore you must adapt to what you find in the studio. Consider that the architectural study rarely enters the detail of the structure in such a way as to require these programs.

However, I am glad that it is, if you want to try and try so that you can find out what software the architecture studios use in which you would like to practice.
or you can have an idea of dissemination, reading which software is most used.

those that buy tekla is not that they are "polli" that spend 25'000 euros for a software that does things you can do even with technometal that costs 10'000, autocad license included.
to make an example take a truck, costs 100'000 euros, but those who buy it do not die because there is also the bee that costs only 4'000 euros. simply has different needs.

on the transposition of the model on the computing software, I always say and however there is to put hands on it. the program that you make the architectonic and with a click pass the model to the solutor still is not there. However, I have little experience about it and let others answer this last question.

 

[Koram]

Thanks for the gil answer, I should have specified, that I a bit of work experience would have, but in the studio we did more than other industrial design, competitions, etc, and I was the modeling and rendering officer. between not much (not immediately) my brother-in-law would like to open the design department for his company (metal shoe shop), that is why I am interested directly to understand things. for drawing 2d I have no problems, structural calculation yes because I never did, and I will have to do it. So, gil, let's say that at first I don't want to let the company spend 20 thousand for tekla, because I think that the carpentry works that they do today do not require "the truck" :d in the future well you never know. I said in the post before...that I tried the demo of edilus, at first impact it seemed a good program, quite easy to use, in Italian, updated to Italian laws, able to release all the necessary documentation for the elaborates. I would like to ask experts if they can prove it, the license doesn't cost much even then from what I saw on the site. cmq is gil, I use autocad and therefore I will have to buy the license of the same to my brother-in-law, if I flank prosteel or an edilus? councils advice!!!

 

[gil]

at the beginning of October there are 2 building fairs where these programs present. You could just pop by and watch what's best for you.
edilus has a set of programs that can interface between them. the steel design module is called edilus acedilius I don't know how much it costs, I can't tell you how good it is, I've never tried it.

if drawings in prosteel you can't pass the unit to edilius. This involves remaking the model. It's a waste, but compatible design and calculation modules are very few.

 

[Koram]

Thank you very much

 

[Carlo Steel]

I knew that prosteel is a product that will be withdrawn, the company no longer has interest in investing in software development, will be replaced (in the market segment) by graitec advance steel.. an autocad application similar to p.steel but closer to tekla as interface and commands for modeling 3d, a software (say) very valid.

who had the chance to prove it leave a comment, thank you.

greetings

 

[gil]

Where does this news come from?
prosteel is from bentley, andvancesteel is from graitec. so how do they support a product with another that is of their competitor?

if it is not developed, each user will use what he likes among the many alternatives.

You can explain yourself

 

[Carlo Steel]

In fact, my previous comment was a bit confused....I understand that prosteel will no longer be developed so the current users will not have to wait for new versions and the software more 'like prosteel in the market segment (and that is, autocad application with high performance) is advance steel, let's say its natural heir.

of advance steel they say is the best autocad appective on the market, I would like confirmations from those who use it daily.

 

[gil]

Hello, carlo.
Are you sure prosteel will not be updated? to which source do you draw this news?

I only saw a few demos. It seems similar to prosteel, but I do not think there is assistance in Italy. not even to the sae and the made is present. so if there is no Italian dealer and a dubito service spreads.

in the same segment of the market there is also structural detailing, that the autodesk literally pulls in the back (together with revit) to anyone who buys an autocad license. or technometal or hear me say that it is a little under prosteel, but it is in Italian, with Italian law.

 

[Carlo Steel]

Hey, gil,

the sources are quite reliable, I talked to the Italian dealer of prosteel, they told me that they will continue with the assistance for current users and to the new customers will present this advance steel replacing it to prosteel (which now seems to be destined to archiving), they will be the official dealers and the assistance to which to refer will also be present to the wits to bologna... as far as structural detailing is concerned is improved a lot (I have the model 2011) or maybe I still haven't figured out how to proceed, I'm using it these days. I'm going to express myself in the next few days and I'll know how to tell you something more.

hi and good work

 

[re_solidworks]

Hey, gil,

the sources are quite reliable, I talked to the Italian dealer of prosteel, they told me that they will continue with the assistance for current users and to the new customers will present this advance steel replacing it to prosteel (which now seems to be destined to archiving), they will be the official dealers and the assistance to which to refer will also be present to the wits to bologna... as far as structural detailing is concerned is improved a lot (I have the model 2011) or maybe I still haven't figured out how to proceed, I'm using it these days. I'm going to express myself in the next few days and I'll know how to tell you something more.

hi and good work

Will it not just be a dealer's maneuver?

 

[Carlo Steel]

It can be.. but I think it's true, bentley has never proved well prepared to develop prosteel, they are aiming on microstation (which intersects with computing software), I think intimidates them very much tekla supremacy and gave up developing an autocad application that will not even be distantly comparable to tekla...my are only suppositions.

 

[Rudy65]

Hello carlo steel,
I can confemate your news now advance steel has entered Italy. I did an idea of software and it looks really impressive! ! ! !