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new job opportunities (negative engineer)...you want what would you do if? . .

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Good evening, I am at the choice of my second job... I am actually fleeing from the first leg raised: eek: ...to make it brief,typical Italian situation in which a "student" graduate is found: owner who promises brilliant insertion paths with gradual growth of skills but that after about 8 months tells you that you have no space/future as a designer because it vige nepotism/nonnism (there are the first jealous women in technical office)..and suddenly without even knowing how.. instead of starting to make some calculations on the bearings (always under supervision), as promised previously, from the designer you find to turn here and there for the suppliers (style courier) and to press or to fill out paperwork in which the most professionalizing thing is to know the position on google maps and the economic reach of a company :mad: , to send us the cv maybe ..comunque.mi .

I had the opportunity to make a series of interviews (3 for precision), all went to good end, all and 3 realities made me a good impression (and in which I intend to stay long term).But I'm afraid to fall in the same trap.... I'm tired of making the same mistakes, so I turn to your experience.

-a reality of about 130 employees (11 people in technical office dealing with mechanics). the company designs laminate processing plants, produces and assembles all internally (workshop and surface treatments), except for thermal treatments. the impression was excellent, the reality seems very structured (the average reality closer to the big company than to the small). in the interview they asked me a series of questions about the hypothetical functioning of a group (what are the various elements and what they serve), a simple sizing on an element of the group itself.
- a reality of 100 employees (9 between mechanical and expert in engineering) , the same speech for production/assembly (thermal and superficial treatment for external companies). the company is operating in the metal processing machine industry (fresatura/tornitura etc.), although in fact the types of machines that produce are more or less always the same. there was no real technical interview (the focus was more motivational). the company seemed a little less structured and closer to a small reality (with its pros and cons). I felt honest and human from a character point of view (they openly spoke of some internal problems/efficiency ), I appreciated the thing since they could avoid saying it, pulling water to their mill.
- a design study with about 16 engineers (if I know the reality of the company that of pure technical studies I am unaware that I can't say... they don't seem mascalzoni but maybe I would have less space and I could do less career).

Assuming that whatever will be my choice, on the paper I would most likely improve and predict that all seemed to me excellent realities (he was breathing air of professionalism :biggrin: )... if you were in my place... to maximize my skills baggage. ..what would you choose, or better what should I base my choice? I suppose that the vision of those who have been working for years in companies is much far more far-sighted than I have been working for months and are still very confident in humanity... so what do you recommend to a colleague in the desperate search for a job that gives him satisfaction and who is ready to give 1000% with passion and dedication :redface:?

Thank you very much for the answers
 
On the card, I would choose the first.
It's enough with cellars..... sinned that the crisis didn't clean enough.
I've been there, so I can choose to go to a structured company.
to go in pure ut you need a few years behind to not get eaten.
 
As you described it, I'd say the first.
Although as a number of employees does not change much between 130 and 110, what changes is how they are structured/organized.
 
It's a pleasure to read you after countless posts in which you only talk about € and vacation, you feel like a person passionate about the profession.
I don't give you advice because I think someone like you will always be able to handle it.
:finger:
 
thanks for the answers ... every way away of time and while being in 3 different companies in the last year and a half (between internships and work proposal)...I still can't understand how to interpret the fact that in some interviews no technical questions are asked...in theory having little experience and having recently graduated, I suppose they are placed in the worst condition when they hire (of the type "even if it is a novelno will learn" ) ... but on the other side I ask which leads me to believe (perhaps wrongly) that they seek unskilled personnel .. although .. speaking of the last experience lived.. I had a very technical interview, but in the end I did about 1% of what they asked me during the interview...
 
thanks for the answers ... every way away of time and while being in 3 different companies in the last year and a half (between internships and work proposal)...I still can't understand how to interpret the fact that in some interviews no technical questions are asked...in theory having little experience and having recently graduated, I suppose they are placed in the worst condition when they hire (of the type "even if it is a novelno will learn" ) ... but on the other side I ask which leads me to believe (perhaps wrongly) that they seek unskilled personnel .. although .. speaking of the last experience lived.. I had a very technical interview, but in the end I did about 1% of what they asked me during the interview...
Maybe the vaulting of technical skills is required for a second interview or more, you probably trust the fact that you've already had some experience and still there will always be the trial period to see you at work, at the end of which confirm or leave you free.

for curiosity, but you can also not answer me: the proposals you have for companies here of the brands? I don't recognize the companies you're talking about, but I don't know them all. :-)
 
Maybe the vaulting of technical skills is required for a second interview or more, you probably trust the fact that you've already had some experience and still there will always be the trial period to see you at work, at the end of which confirm or leave you free.

for curiosity, but you can also not answer me: the proposals you have for companies here of the brands? I don't recognize the companies you're talking about, but I don't know them all. :-)
ninth ... are reality of northern Italy:tongue:
 
Congratulations on the passion, give me the impression of being a good person!
I would choose the first, you have a chance to see the mechanical processing and fittings.
It's also nice to work in structured companies where the organization is clear and delegates are intelligently assigned.
 
thanks for the answers ... every way away of time and while being in 3 different companies in the last year and a half (between internships and work proposal)...I still can't understand how to interpret the fact that in some interviews no technical questions are asked...in theory having little experience and having recently graduated, I suppose they are placed in the worst condition when they hire (of the type "even if it is a novelno will learn" ) ... but on the other side I ask which leads me to believe (perhaps wrongly) that they seek unskilled personnel .. although .. speaking of the last experience lived.. I had a very technical interview, but in the end I did about 1% of what they asked me during the interview...
not asked you technical questions perhaps because they had already decided who to take and your residence far from the home has led them to feel only by curiosity, from north to south a sort of handicap is applied to those coming from distant cities, many companies are always afraid that family affections of the aspirant can adversely affect the presences in the company
 
take one of the first two, of course choose by making in-depth evaluations (analyze for each of them pro and cons).
are companies of great size ideal to make the bones and to acquire "technical spirit" (no too big, nor too small).
If you went to the engineering firm you would not get in touch with the productive reality and of this you would resent (there are so many employees of ing studies that have never entered a workshop and their elaborates are heavily affected. ..
You may think you'll be coming to a studio later, when you have a satisfactory technical-productive baggage.
In addition, the first two companies mentioned above, I believe they can offer you more in terms of contractual, economic, training, guarantees. .
 
not asked you technical questions perhaps because they had already decided who to take and your residence far from the home has led them to feel only by curiosity, from north to south a sort of handicap is applied to those coming from distant cities, many companies are always afraid that family affections of the aspirant can adversely affect the presences in the company
Maybe they didn't ask him technical questions because they know that they will have to form it anyway: when a company chooses a candidate or takes one who has experience in the field (=has done the same job elsewhere previously) or knows that however the newcomer will be formed (then there are also the cellarers who claim the "neolaureate with experience", but are cases apart easily identifiable).

As for the origin from distant cities the fears of a company that hires you are not those related to family affection, but rather the possibility that you leave as soon as a tomorrow you find a job near home.
 
As for the origin from distant cities the fears of a company that hires you are not those related to family affection, but rather the possibility that you leave as soon as a tomorrow you find a job near home.
hello and thanks for the answers, that's exactly the point... although I don't understand ... we realize it comes from the basilicata and go to work in a company that designs/produces "shoes for sawmills" in Trentino (just to make an example)... the possibility that tomorrow you find work in a company of the same sector and with the same tasks in basilicata is 0!!! So in theory from that point of view it should be disadvantaged a Milanese compared to a Calabrian/campan (see that in Milan maybe there are other companies of that type and the possibility that the candidate leaves are greater) ... instead of usually I see that it is not so and they are based a lot on the north-south...even if in fact the reason is what you say..mah, they will be common places. . .
 
for what I'm seeing in my area, structured companies have a much more "stable" environment at all points of view, while non-structured ones (weight those with staff saying "no need to structure") have much more chaotic environments, directly proportional to the workload.
 

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