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[MBT]

I think it is right that the judgement is done not only technically but also by ordinary people who frequent facebook, because here we talk about aesthetics and diversity.... I repeat that fiat did not waste anything of his own to only copied and put a coat of arms.... launches, instead bmw audi mercedes and jaguar everything from scratch new cars and new style new engines... with the balls... and I add. .

Yes.
but you know it's an indiscriminate statistics, where you put it in everything and the opposite of everything
14-year-old girl who saw thema as the "civil" version of the batmobile
the 18-year-old young man on a point 60 that sees the series 5 inaccessible, "I would eat but I can't" and is horny only to think of the rear traction and drift on the rounds with smoking tires
the technician who objectively evaluates and defects of vehicles
the fanatic that if you name audi and if close you do not put an absolute superlative adjective you attack

variegated sample, but above all that did not see these cars live, did not try them, did not hear them, did not even have the material availability to take it.

It's like doing a survey on that is the best champagne between bubbles, moet or other brands... but in the midst of the sample you find asthmaids, alcoholics, merlot supporters, coca-cola fanatics, people who vote for the taste to show it in the board and away. . .

 

[xLOGANx]

I believe that mbt is right about the value of the ranking drawn up by fb users. but also what supports rs is correct. in my opinion, the classification of fb should only be looked at with a spirit of curiosity without giving, to it, excessive weight.

 

[PierArg]

Yes.
but you know it's an indiscriminate statistics, where you put it in everything and the opposite of everything
14-year-old girl who saw thema as the "civil" version of the batmobile
the 18-year-old young man on a point 60 that sees the series 5 inaccessible, "I would eat but I can't" and is horny only to think of the rear traction and drift on the rounds with smoking tires
the technician who objectively evaluates and defects of vehicles
the fanatic that if you name audi and if close you do not put an absolute superlative adjective you attack

variegated sample, but above all that did not see these cars live, did not try them, did not hear them, did not even have the material availability to take it.

It's like doing a survey on that is the best champagne between bubbles, moet or other brands... but in the midst of the sample you find asthmaids, alcoholics, merlot supporters, coca-cola fanatics, people who vote for the taste to show it in the board and away. . .

hi marco, how long!! !

I think it like you, but I have to make a statement.
Unfortunately, and I stress unfortunately, who makes the ranking on facebook (experienced or people of the great brother who is) is nothing but a very significant sample of the market.

I saw her live on December 9 (on the street as she made a roundabout at 2 km/h otherwise she would have left :biggrin and I would have bet the house that was chrysler 300. the only thing that changes is the back (a colossal caga).

 

[RS4]

Yes.
but you know it's an indiscriminate statistics, where you put it in everything and the opposite of everything
14-year-old girl who saw thema as the "civil" version of the batmobile
the 18-year-old young man on a point 60 that sees the series 5 inaccessible, "I would eat but I can't" and is horny only to think of the rear traction and drift on the rounds with smoking tires
the technician who objectively evaluates and defects of vehicles
the fanatic that if you name audi and if close you do not put an absolute superlative adjective you attack

variegated sample, but above all that did not see these cars live, did not try them, did not hear them, did not even have the material availability to take it.

It's like doing a survey on that is the best champagne between bubbles, moet or other brands... but in the midst of the sample you find asthmaids, alcoholics, merlot supporters, coca-cola fanatics, people who vote for the taste to show it in the board and away. . .

mbt you're right, but... it's the people who have to get it, they're all testers... or technicians, the first thing you go to see in a car and beauty.... based on what you want to spend.... regardless of the little girl you judge.. ,

I don't share the class. but when ever thema is superior to the class and, only of materials used you must park. . with the 4 arrows :biggrin: not to mention anything else if not I would stay here for hours... the wood of the mercedes and unique in its kind

thema from 41.000 euro
class and from 42,000.. .
series 5 from 43,000
audi a6 from 43,000
jaguar xf from 46.800

but thema ando go:smile:

 

[maxopus]

on 41.000 I think they will make the discount 30-40 within a short time, otherwise they will all stay in the dealers.

 

[MBT]

mark, how long!! !

Hello, boy!
What's with you? ?
Everything quiet?

I think it like you, but I have to make a statement.
Unfortunately, and I stress unfortunately, who makes the ranking on facebook (experienced or people of the great brother who is) is nothing but a very significant sample of the market.

In my humble opinion, the ranking is wrong. In the sense that as a champion you have to put potential buyers, not the first bovaro that goes on the street!
Because, I repeat, the 14-year-old girl or the newborn a car like that don't take it. therefore their liking does not make text, if not at the level of "curiosity"
curiosity, however, does not sell... .

I saw her live on December 9 (on the street as she made a roundabout at 2 km/h otherwise she would have left :biggrin and I would have bet the house that was chrysler 300. the only thing that changes is the back (a colossal caga).

bhe, even a little the calandra and something in the interior.. .

 

[Oldwarper]

mbt you're right, but... it's the people who have to get it, they're all testers... or technicians, the first thing you go to see in a car and beauty.... based on what you want to spend.... regardless of the little girl you judge.. ,

No, it's not the people who can ever buy a car like that.
industrialotti "all-black", benefit for manager, car rental, blue car, representative car, representative in the vein of "bullism", son-di-papa'-ormai-cinquantenne who does it with the caregiver.. . This is It's the market.

the people are given the only privilege of drooping on them. And let them know that it "exist," so when they see a dead car running across the streets they'll know that it's a "money" dish and not the yet-year-old Chinese car "I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I."
I took a life to know that the infinite was a luxury car and not the usual Chilean four-soldi fake.
Here too, marchètting is everything...

 

[RS4]

No, it's not the people who can ever buy a car like that.
industrialotti "all-black", benefit for manager, car rental, blue car, representative car, representative in the vein of "bullism", son-di-papa'-ormai-cinquantenne who does it with the caregiver.. . This is It's the market.

the people are given the only privilege of drooping on them. And let them know that it "exist," so when they see a dead car running across the streets they'll know that it's a "money" dish and not the yet-year-old Chinese car "I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I."
I took a life to know that the infinite was a luxury car and not the usual Chilean four-soldi fake.
Here too, marchètting is everything...

no you are wrong instead is the people look around and see how many bmw 530 or audi a6 3000tdi there are and do a little yourself, great little and nothing... If the fiat wants to break down it has to make a competitive car you have its German rivals and not just call it flagship to say that it is the biggest..., see also that chrome basket.. another very old flop an egg walking seems......
consumes as well a lot

 

[Oldwarper]

no you are wrong instead is the people look around and see how many bmw 530 or audi a6 3000tdi there are and do a little yourself, great little and nothing... If the fiat wants to break down it has to make a competitive car you have its German rivals and not just call it flagship to say that it is the biggest..., see also that chrome basket.. another very old flop an egg walking seems......
consumes as well a lot

and of these you know how many are intestate to firms or to lend name?

there are also so many instalments from people who pay for the first two and then put it back in, I know, but the real "market" is the b2b, cars that dopp 2 years are changed and put again to the crumbs that buy them at half price and then spend a salary per month to keep them.

fiat had to compete at ford and opel, German also them, same segment, similar prices. only that they are "exploited", having better quality (you know on one point and on a fiesta and you will understand why) and the euro that favored the Germans. or peugeot-renault. but with the same reasons as the Germans.
Now you find yourself having to compete with German cynocores and subbrands (seat, skoda) that even if they were qualitatively slightly lower they cost much less.
So, on the "top" segment there can not be, being hung from the Germans, in the lower no, being dominated by the Asian brands, the average ah fierce competition (Germans, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese)... where does it go? he's right then brand: mad:... out...!!!:frown::frown:

 

[Ivan1990]

fiat had to compete in ford and opel, German too

but the ford should be American... Not German, right?

 

[Oldwarper]

but the ford should be American... Not German, right?

In... design, development and production of European fords are made exclusively in Europe, where in colony there is the headquarters. ford gmbh is an entity sufficiently independent of the ford uses, more or less like opel and gm.

few products have been developed in the use and then imported in Europe, I think but I would not want to miss the scurry.

components are all German, care and assembly.

 

[Ivan1990]

In... design, development and production of European fords are made exclusively in Europe, where in colony there is the headquarters. ford gmbh is an entity sufficiently independent of the ford uses, more or less like opel and gm.

few products have been developed in the use and then imported in Europe, I think but I would not want to miss the scurry.

components are all German, care and assembly.

ah ok, however I quote your comment before, I bought a ford fiesta, I went to choose between fiesta-point-bravo-mito-golf5-corsa-206-ibiza, and the best discount I got on the ford fiesta (6000 euros discount) where I got the lowest price compared to the point-corsa-ibiza-206 having just more opzional. over all in fiat dealership I found rude people, who made me want to spend my money there.
I must be honest that I had already started with idea to take the fiesta as as personal taste I liked most. I think he's been doing great cars lately.

 

[Tequila]

the people are given the only privilege of drooping on them.

If it was for me, more than to drool, the [bleep] on him. I would do it to the dog, but since I don't have it, I would let my cat nail on the hood or inside the leather seats:biggrin:.

 

[RS4]

If it was for me, more than to drool, the [bleep] on him. I would do it to the dog, but since I don't have it, I would let my cat nail on the hood or inside the leather seats:biggrin:.

eee vandalo do not:biggrin:

 

[Oldwarper]

If it was for me, more than to drool, the [bleep] on him. I'd do it to the dog, but since I don't have it, I'd let my cat nail my cat on the hood or inside the leather seats.

Poor thing. Infierious about who's most unfortunate. ..may also believe in a gesture of envy...
I'd find myself with others in front of the car in the parking lot. when the guy enters, a laughter avalanche at crepapelle indicating the car as he walks away giving himself packs on his shoulders and drying his tears....:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[PierArg]

Hey, guys, excuse me if I take this discussion.
Since it has gone, I take advantage of it to ask for your opinion.

remaining on the theme "ford", in these days the advertising of the focus 3 cylinders ecoboost 1000 cc.
http://www.infomotori.com/auto/2012/04/16/ford-focus-ecoboost-prova-strada-motore-tre-cilind/I am of the opinion that it is a great cag@t@...sopratall if you relate the 1000cc motor (and of course the power) with the station of the machine.

consumption is not the maximum (5 l x 100 km)

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

cag@t@...soprat[/email]all if you relate the 1000cc motor (and of course the power) with the station of the machine.

I can't tell you, but my only doubt is reliability.
for the "stazza" I have it with over a 1.6 from 90cv and goes a love

the 1000cc you talk about is a 125cv so the car takes it quietly, indeed I would say cheerfully

It's just that 125cv from a 1000 is what worries me.
but on the other hand they are going to fashion small motors with other powers (see toyota 1.3 from 99cv)

 

[PierArg]

I can't tell you, but my only doubt is reliability.
for the "stazza" I have it with over a 1.6 from 90cv and goes a love

the 1000cc you talk about is a 125cv so the car takes it quietly, indeed I would say cheerfully

It's just that 125cv from a 1000 is what worries me.
but on the other hand they are going to fashion small motors with other powers (see toyota 1.3 from 99cv)

I also (as already mentioned in previous posts) have the focus 1.6 tdci 110 cv and the engine is balanced with the rest of the car.
who has the ford focus c-max, same engine 1.6 tdci 110cv, complains of the "undersized".

the fact of the 3 cylinders leaves me perplexed... they spread it as an improvement of consumption but I do not see it a great deal.

My on mixed path makes 4.5 liters x 100 km
two weeks ago it arrived at 4,3 liters x 100 km

 

[Er Presidente]

direct petrol injection. are the first vagiti, we will see some beautiful.

p.s.: emissions on cars are measured at gr/km, the smaller the engine and the more hopes you have to return to euro 5 and 6.
diesel is dying.

 

[Focus]

...... diesel is dying.

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