opinions demansion engineer

[King_Wow]

Good evening to all, I write to have an opinion on something that happened to me a few weeks ago that still makes me think today.
I'm an engineer, 28 years old, I've been working recently (about 7 months) and I've been in the place where I work to go glue tables with the silicone gun because of too much work of the department (I don't understand why it wasn't called a warehouseman).
I obviously didn't refuse, but the thought still pops me today. (I was hired to make mechanical calculations on plants and machines)
What do you think? Are I too little humble or is this really a crap and lack of respect to me and to my degree of study?
thank you all, I'm curious about the answers

 

[meccanicamg]

in briance works more or less as you say.
All in all, a company turns its own resources as it best believes. If the demansionment was permanent it would be worth hearing what the unions say.. Or you're looking for another place because they might want you to understand so that you're too much.

On the other hand, I can tell you that in my career, as a technical office designer, I found myself at the same time doing the warehouse, preparing the boxes of the pieces to be mounted. in other realities I have found myself managing the commission since it was active, designing, putting on the table, preparing the editing books, turning, milling, preparing the shelf material, fitting the machines, doing the test...and sometimes there was to clean the milling tank, there was to fix some production machine in the other shed....there was the pc of the son to be formed... and experience.

I am chief technical office of a company and I find myself managing my subordinates, managing orders, making technical choices, discussing with customers, designing prototypes, putting on the table, printing and stamping, going down into the workshop to manage hardware problems and other, sometimes I do some testing of some particular machine, sometimes mute something and a set of other things....every so there is the server or workstations to system ().

so far all these things make me experience so much and give me a way to better understand how the work is doing... not only the technique but also human relationships.

 

[MBT]

Be lucky. There are engineers who can't tighten a m6 screw "how much", who can't cut a sheet with the pond, who can't take a measure with the micrometer... but they claim to be able to "design" and piss if you notice "macroscopic" errors.
I am of the idea that every technical employee, when hired in a company, should take 6 months in the workshop (to return, to mill and to mount machines), 6 months in the yard (to install, to test, to start the machines) and then, if you have the skills, to pass to the technical office.

 

[meccanicamg]

I fully agree with mtb. Unfortunately, school training leaves a lot to be desired, so it is necessary to practice by doing the training, even if you are employed with more advanced tasks.

 

[haga78]

I bet it's a small company.. .
Unfortunately in some cases it happens so (I after 1 week of work was sent to put back in place the filted archives committed, practically 1 whole days in between the dust and phenols).
see how things are going, if it's an exception, maybe you have to adapt, if it becomes the norm, I agree that there should be a "practical" preparation of the designer, but send him to clean the cabinets I don't see it as appropriate in that sense.

the recent jobs act previews the possibility of demansionment, but in very precise cases, in substance for the safeguard of the job of the employee and must be ratified in written form. the unions and the laws believe they can do very little, even because they would go to affect the working relationship.

 

[ninfh]

I'm not sure I've understood the situation.... it happened to have to go to give a hand where it was urgently needed for a few hours (or day) or you were hired with contract (and pay) by designer and put you to help store?

 

[cacciatorino]

but I started to make the designer thirty years ago and then graduated in engineering and then I designed machinery from millions of euros: Now I'm putting in the table a washer on sheet a4, say I should feel humiliated or non-olet sin? :wink::wink::wink:

 

[MBT]

but I started to make the designer thirty years ago and then graduated in engineering and then I designed machinery from millions of euros: Now I'm putting in the table a washer on sheet a4, say I should feel humiliated or non-olet sin? :wink::wink::wink:

boh, what about me occasionally doing manuals or test procedures?
and that yesterday I was with the flex and cutting disk to make adjustments in the workshop?

 

[cacciatorino]

and that yesterday I was with the flex and cutting disk to make adjustments in the workshop?

that could be a problem in case of injury, like, "but what were you doing with the grinder in your hand?? ? ? "

 

[MBT]

that could be a problem in case of injury, like, "but what were you doing with the grinder in your hand?? ? ? "

That's another speech.
But it must be said that I have a framework that provides site supervision functions, that I was in the workshop to perform tests, that I had done a risk analysis, that I had gloves, glasses, otoprotectors and safety shoes. . .
Clearly, if something happens, they are still rectal pains, but theoretically we should be covered. .

 

[cacciatorino]

But in theory we should be covered. .

I don't believe, unless you did the specific course for using the equipment (I just did the rspp :rolleyes course: ).

 

[MBT]

I don't believe, unless you did the specific course for using the equipment (I just did the rspp :rolleyes course: ).

actually not, not even for the use of drill, hammer, screwdriver and fixed-star key

Now that I think about it, I have never even made a course for the use of head and tongue, which in some cases are far more dangerous than a grinder.

Other jokes... Every now and then I have the impression that there is anything to justify the activity (work seems to me an excessive word) of some people and to pin money to companies.

 

[ninfh]

Other jokes... Every now and then I have the impression that there is anything to justify the activity (work seems to me an excessive word) of some people and to pin money to companies.

Maybe it was just an impression. . .

 

[rinato]

Good evening to all, I write to have an opinion on something that happened to me a few weeks ago that still makes me think today.
I'm an engineer,...and I happened to the place where I work to go glue tables with the silicone gun because of too much work of the department (I don't understand why it wasn't called a warehouseman).

Maybe because they trusted more than the engineer than the storekeeper? you attacked them with scruples and "in the bubble", he would attack them "in the eye" and would have run to finish loading the tir of cases by the end of turn to start the said within hours x, which otherwise there was the penalty of the courier, for example.

I obviously didn't refuse, but the thought still pops me today. (I was hired to make mechanical calculations on plants and machines)
What do you think? Are I too little humble or is this really a crap and lack of respect to me and to my degree of study?
thank you all, I'm curious about the answers

Do you slap? Really? would you have preferred to be an architect in London (to stay in a conterranean...)? So, that going out of the ivory tower cannot hurt, indeed. Now you also know how little ergonomic the silicone gun can be, if you don't have a board, etc.
I know a young mechanical engineer who does quality and related controls, but in the company he also cares about how the molds and the m.u. work, otherwise he wouldn't know where to look for ideas to improve quality. . .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Be lucky. There are engineers who can't tighten a m6 screw "how much", who can't cut a sheet with the pond, who can't take a measure with the micrometer... but they claim to be able to "design" and piss if you notice "macroscopic" errors.
I am of the idea that every technical employee, when hired in a company, should take 6 months in the workshop (to return, to mill and to mount machines), 6 months in the yard (to install, to test, to start the machines) and then, if you have the skills, to pass to the technical office.

There are even engineers who don't know how to use a caliber, you know?

 

[rinato]

and, personally, I suspect that some engineers ignore that a plan passes for 3 points.

However, returning to topic, for king_wow: if I don't remember badly from the courses made at his time, during the apprenticeship, the "tacito" demansionment was regulated, in the sense that if the firm needs it can put you to close boxes up to 2 months, without pay deductions. Then you have to get back to the qualified place they hired you. otherwise there are appropriate procedures to manage the need to demansion you (also in €), e.g., because the "calculating office" does not have enough work or you have proven "fallace". which you can always accept or resign, etc.
Maybe over the years something has been redefined, so search the web, and you can get an idea of current laws. If you still have doubts, p.e., because Monday they ask you to tread 40 bonnets of old documents, standing in the cellar not to disturb the head office, the unions, apparently, are made to protect you. Of course, when you put them in the middle, you have to count that it can "change the wind".
Good weekend, reborn.

 

[MBT]

There are even engineers who don't know how to use a caliber, you know?

you at least know how to hold it in hand and make a measure.
Maybe they taught you badly, maybe you were absent in that lesson, but you know how to do it. And you doubted yourself if you were doing it right.
It's worse, believe me! !

 

[Cristallo]

Except the guy gives me all the impression of the troll. launches the hot topic and disappears. . .

Anyway: when for the first time I went to the yard, responsible for the yard to 17 and a half years with dozens of workers 50-60 years that I had to manage, I adopted two different tactics in the 2 yards that I had.
in the one where they were preparing the formworks for the jets I handed a bag with the nails and the hammer, and went to the place to nail wooden boards side by side with the carpenters;
in what they were doing the perimetral swabs, in the lunchtime I dismissed a "calderella" with the mortar and hid me in a little visible place to attack bricks. of course over time the strategy extended to other, from attaching electric conductors, to demolishing a block of reinforced concrete.
My idea is that I didn't know how to attack a nail or a brick, how could I trade one?
in reality this strategy had a different effect: I gained respect for the workers and at 18 years, with six months of experience in the construction site, if I said one thing the workers weighed and executed, instead of taking my butt.. .
to today, 30 years later, while dealing with characters that almost all you have seen and see on TV, I do not disdain to be "with feet in the lime" as they say in jargon.
So nobody sucks. Get off the pedestal.

 

[Meteor02]

king_wow I can only tell you that I collaborate with ing and architects for more than 20 years and the best are just those who most often "low" down among the mortal wickers and maybe learn something.... you are 28 years old if you were very good you graduated 4/5 years ago, work for 7 months, thank you that they hired you without demanding the usual decades of experience that you usually expect from those who only take care of calculations and projects.

 

[re_solidworks]

Good evening to all, I write to have an opinion on something that happened to me a few weeks ago that still makes me think today.
I'm an engineer, 28 years old, I've been working recently (about 7 months) and I've been in the place where I work to go glue tables with the silicone gun because of too much work of the department (I don't understand why it wasn't called a warehouseman).
I obviously didn't refuse, but the thought still pops me today. (I was hired to make mechanical calculations on plants and machines)
What do you think? Are I too little humble or is this really a crap and lack of respect to me and to my degree of study?
thank you all, I'm curious about the answers

work for 7 months and I think you should seize these occasions and try to see them in a formative way. What does not form from a technical point of view do it from a human point of view... there is always something to learn, even behind the most humble job.