passage pdm/plm and 2d/3d (creo - windchill)

[krissbetarr]

Good evening, everyone. I kindly asked you your experience regarding the following.

for about a year they are employed in a mechanical company that produces industrial machinery mainly for ceramics. In short, there will be an important transition to the company and especially the technical office. in particular the current situation sees the technical office (18 people) divided in half, some draw in 2d classic machines (think3 and pdm document) while others in 3d (inventor and pdm document) deal with research and development and among the latter are also me.

from here to a month (maximum two) there will be a big migration of the whole office to 3d (creo parametric 5.0) and the adoption of a plm (windchill).

I was named "responsible" of this migration and so I wanted to ask you if you had experience on how to handle everything. The subject is quite wide, but I would like to draw inspiration from your experiences to prepare me for the best.

For example, I would be useful to know what were the main obstacles you have encountered (we know that 3d machines will not maintain the "mathematic" and the tables will be to be remade), how you set up or you would set the job, as the approaches change in the adoption of a plm, in short, any information, any point will be of great help, taking into account the fact that I have very little experience in this regard. all this will be accompanied by the iso 9001 certification of the company, so I imagine there will be many related aspects.

hoping you can help me, I wish you a good evening. Thank you.

 

[D4n13l]

Good evening, everyone. I kindly asked you your experience regarding the following.

for about a year they are employed in a mechanical company that produces industrial machinery mainly for ceramics. In short, there will be an important transition to the company and especially the technical office. in particular the current situation sees the technical office (18 people) divided in half, some draw in 2d classic machines (think3 and pdm document) while others in 3d (inventor and pdm document) deal with research and development and among the latter are also me.

from here to a month (maximum two) there will be a big migration of the whole office to 3d (creo parametric 5.0) and the adoption of a plm (windchill).

I was named "responsible" of this migration and so I wanted to ask you if you had experience on how to handle everything. The subject is quite wide, but I would like to draw inspiration from your experiences to prepare me for the best.

For example, I would be useful to know what were the main obstacles you have encountered (we know that 3d machines will not maintain the "mathematic" and the tables will be to be remade), how you set up or you would set the job, as the approaches change in the adoption of a plm, in short, any information, any point will be of great help, taking into account the fact that I have very little experience in this regard. all this will be accompanied by the iso 9001 certification of the company, so I imagine there will be many related aspects.

hoping you can help me, I wish you a good evening. Thank you.

How did the migration from inventor to creo go?

have you had benefits to pass to creo?

I ask you this because I am pro inventor, I create it I am using it and I do not like it too restrictive, for me inventor remains better

 

[krissbetarr]

I think it was a failure. a disaster in the conversion of machines, pieces, threaded holes were not imported! a disaster on many fronts, now I am using it daily in the new company where I am and I must say that it is very sluggish, shrinkwraps are a disaster, flexibility as well and I could continue to infinity.

According to what was my experience, I can say that I would not recommend ptc at all coming from inventor.


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[D4n13l]

I think it was a failure. a disaster in the conversion of machines, pieces, threaded holes were not imported! a disaster on many fronts, now I am using it daily in the new company where I am and I must say that it is very sluggish, shrinkwraps are a disaster, flexibility as well and I could continue to infinity.

According to what was my experience, I can say that I would not recommend ptc at all coming from inventor.


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I assure you that even if a company like the one in which I am working now that it has always created that before it was pro-e is a disaster, I have a list of the expense of things that I find absurd in creo, program that costs more than inventor and that I find really poorer.
even the first inventor I started using more than 15 years ago was so scandalous!

 

[marcok625]

hello to all, for my experience a great difference on migration, configuration and management of the plm system is also due to which supplier you rely on.
said this windchill is a real beast to tame, very, indeed too complicated to manage, needs people with skill from programmer who knows where to put hands and how the system works.
currently we are working with creo direct modeling 19 and windchill 11.0
Even for me, ptc is just good at marketing.

 

[krissbetarr]

hello to all, for my experience a great difference on migration, configuration and management of the plm system is also due to which supplier you rely on.
said this windchill is a real beast to tame, very, indeed too complicated to manage, needs people with skill from programmer who knows where to put hands and how the system works.
currently we are working with creo direct modeling 19 and windchill 11.0
Even for me, ptc is just good at marketing.

You said very well in my opinion, programmer skill is the right phrase


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[D4n13l]

hello to all, for my experience a great difference on migration, configuration and management of the plm system is also due to which supplier you rely on.
said this windchill is a real beast to tame, very, indeed too complicated to manage, needs people with skill from programmer who knows where to put hands and how the system works.
currently we are working with creo direct modeling 19 and windchill 11.0
Even for me, ptc is just good at marketing.

Look I am for inventor and vault, now I am using creo and in a while they will put windchill seeing the casino that made me create and how it is complicated on trivial things...I don't dare imagine windchill how it is...
but as there is who claims that I create is the best... you for me the best to lose time in design and at the table setting

 

[krissbetarr]

Look I am for inventor and vault, now I am using creo and in a while they will put windchill seeing the casino that made me create and how it is complicated on trivial things...I don't dare imagine windchill how it is...
but as there is who claims that I create is the best... you for me the best to lose time in design and at the table setting

we don't talk about the tables courtesy, menu of 20 years ago, repetitive commands, you can make the configurations open/closed only with some snapshot stratagems, at the course I saw really surreal things compared to inventor. I was very well talked about solidworks but I never used it, inventor is quite intuitive.


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[D4n13l]

we don't talk about the tables courtesy, menu of 20 years ago, repetitive commands, you can make the configurations open/closed only with some snapshot stratagems, at the course I saw really surreal things compared to inventor. I was very well talked about solidworks but I never used it, inventor is quite intuitive.


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inventor is not only intuitive is light years ahead of creo.. Do we want to talk if you have to do a section? if you have to see a plan? try to do it in creo to view a single plan if you can... very comfortable when you are planning to have all the plans... ?
the section that shows you the color lines of the quotas and if you change it both change...
My mom that program seems prehistory. . .
On the other hand, the rt where I am, which carries on the belief that I create is better than inventor, does not know how to use them... has never seen inventor who considers a "game" and I said everything...

 

[Polymar]

no company that produces industrial machinery would ever think and then never go from inventor to creo. It would be a shameful and unfair decision. Of course, inventor leaves a lot to desire when a really advanced modeling is needed by pure particularist, but behaves well with axioms not too voluminous and is all set up. I create, or proe, wildfire, call it as you seem so much is always the usual toy that has changed over the years only the dress, is perhaps the worst solution falls today. It's a slow, tedious, far-reaching, stressful system to use. I mean, old man. only windchill deserves the prize, because as a pdm/plm is perhaps the best in absolute, but only if you have a good support that can perfectly configure you. talking more technically, none of them is a hybrid and multi-container system, even proe is not even a multibody!!! This is not very small, because it obliges you to remove material by constantly building surfaces that must then be "solidified" (note the term used really very imaginative). This results in so much, but really much time lost for operations that in the end are almost elementary, at least in today's system. I prefer 1000 times more solidworks to inventor, since it can do much faster the same operations but it adapts very well also to those who have to model in detail plastic pieces or go chromatic, where you need to pay particular attention to g1 and g2. At this point we could also call in question thinkdesign that as a modeling power, at any level, it does not fear comparisons with any of this band, cat and nx excluded obviously. if you want to touch with hand the advantages of 100% hybrid, with lots of multi-container and advanced modeling tools, then a lap on track with zw3d would open your eyes. but please, never mention proe, already the ptc logo says it is a ca**ata.

 

[D4n13l]

no company that produces industrial machinery would ever think and then never go from inventor to creo. It would be a shameful and unfair decision. Of course, inventor leaves a lot to desire when a really advanced modeling is needed by pure particularist, but behaves well with axioms not too voluminous and is all set up. I create, or proe, wildfire, call it as you seem so much is always the usual toy that has changed over the years only the dress, is perhaps the worst solution falls today. It's a slow, tedious, far-reaching, stressful system to use. I mean, old man. only windchill deserves the prize, because as a pdm/plm is perhaps the best in absolute, but only if you have a good support that can perfectly configure you. talking more technically, none of them is a hybrid and multi-container system, even proe is not even a multibody!!! This is not very small, because it obliges you to remove material by constantly building surfaces that must then be "solidified" (note the term used really very imaginative). This results in so much, but really much time lost for operations that in the end are almost elementary, at least in today's system. I prefer 1000 times more solidworks to inventor, since it can do much faster the same operations but it adapts very well also to those who have to model in detail plastic pieces or go chromatic, where you need to pay particular attention to g1 and g2. At this point we could also call in question thinkdesign that as a modeling power, at any level, it does not fear comparisons with any of this band, cat and nx excluded obviously. if you want to touch with hand the advantages of 100% hybrid, with lots of multi-container and advanced modeling tools, then a lap on track with zw3d would open your eyes. but please, never mention proe, already the ptc logo says it is a ca**ata.

I ask you a question and pass from creo to inventor or solidworks that I have never used but it is definitely very good as product would you recommend it?
I read long ago that solidworks manages to maintain all the constraints in the assemblies already created with creo, thus being able to convert without any difficulty in its native format all the details the tables and the assemblies, I confirm it?

 

[320i S]

I read long ago that solidworks manages to maintain all the constraints in the assemblies already created with creo, thus being able to convert without any difficulty in its native format all the details the tables and the assemblies, I confirm it?

no, solidworks cannot maintain any bond from creo (and vice versa), because they are completely different algorithms.

I have read over several criticisms to creo, I have no experience with inventor, but I have discrete experience with creo, catia v6 and solidworks, and among the 3 if I have to manage assemblies of a certain entity and at the same time use forms surfaces and what else, I create is a span over the other 2, caia is definitely in the field of surfaces and details where the multibody modeling is preferable, but disastrous in the axiemi (
creo is not intuitive, it has never been, but it has so many commands and possibilities that the other 2 cads mentioned, do not have and above all has a very high stability with the big assemblies (from 3000 components on).

 

[320i S]

Good evening, everyone. I kindly asked you your experience regarding the following.

for about a year they are employed in a mechanical company that produces industrial machinery mainly for ceramics. In short, there will be an important transition to the company and especially the technical office. in particular the current situation sees the technical office (18 people) divided in half, some draw in 2d classic machines (think3 and pdm document) while others in 3d (inventor and pdm document) deal with research and development and among the latter are also me.

from here to a month (maximum two) there will be a big migration of the whole office to 3d (creo parametric 5.0) and the adoption of a plm (windchill).

I was named "responsible" of this migration and so I wanted to ask you if you had experience on how to handle everything. The subject is quite wide, but I would like to draw inspiration from your experiences to prepare me for the best.

For example, I would be useful to know what were the main obstacles you have encountered (we know that 3d machines will not maintain the "mathematic" and the tables will be to be remade), how you set up or you would set the job, as the approaches change in the adoption of a plm, in short, any information, any point will be of great help, taking into account the fact that I have very little experience in this regard. all this will be accompanied by the iso 9001 certification of the company, so I imagine there will be many related aspects.

hoping you can help me, I wish you a good evening. Thank you.

I'm sorry I didn't read this 3d first, otherwise a couple of tips I could have given you.
If you have made a unique passage of cad and pdm/plm, it was in my opinion a wrong strategy, and the thing amazes me that those who provide support, did not tell you (and if he told you, it was not a good idea not to listen to it).
imperative is first to change cad starting from bookstores (fundamental), standard components and finally specific components and assemblies (bottom and high level), actually recreating what you had before with the other cad; this at least on the projects and products in being, then it should be inserted plm in its pdm part and finally the plm extensions you want to have.
times and methods must be planned in a conscious way, without rushing that it is not due to factors outside the ut.
rules of pdm and plm must be decided at the beginning, but developed during work and a migration team must be created, with inside a couple of people with the most extensive historical memory.
Does this cost in terms of time and resources? Yes!, but that's the strategy that I think brings the best results and less time losses.