Thank you for your answer, paulpaul. I agree with you that in the sectors mentioned above, and also in the construction of large civil works and not, the percentage is certainly greater than 5%, but it is likely that on the total positions, the percentage is close to that value, as supported by other members of the forum, as in other sectors (for example, in manufacturing) the percentage is limited.@amyas they told you, it depends a lot on the company: This type of transfer is very widespread where the product must necessarily be shipped "to pieces" and installed on the site (notes size). We are therefore talking about lines for packaging and bottling and above all plants for energy and oil & gas production. We can also go to junior figures in graduates, which maybe initially do a very operational work (and when I say very...I say I am just editing) and that however depend on the site manager, usually with some years of experience. Unfortunately I do not know how to quantify the percentage on the total of the ads because it depends a lot on the sector, as said: but limiting itself to the scope above, they are not even few. bonatti is one of those (I know it relatively well).
Thank you, taurus77, for your answer I find exhaustive. The only thing I don't understand is when you say that on the one hand the percentage is very low as the cost of an engineer or technician specializing in foreign travel has very high costs, and on the other you argue that the interiors whenever there was to go away shook the guts for the high working burden and poor economic return.good evening amy, I read your discussion and at first glance it seems to me a mixture of requests made by the character of carlo verdone the mythical fury and the demands of one who works at the site. the percentage of engineers working abroad for more than six months of those companies that are based in Italy I think is very low because the activities are conceived, organized and managed in Italy and then when work is necessary in the yard or monitoring are sent technicians and engineers abroad. considers that the cost of an engineer or technician specializing in foreign travel has very high costs as few prefer long periods away from the family and their "caxxi". If you are interested in a number the percentage of human capital on the available total of the company resources used abroad is definitely below 5% and I think I have exaggerated. in the past I received requests for libia in full period of war (10000€ month and did not find people....vabbè the skin is skin) and then after I had requests to move in india for a few months on behalf of the company client of my consulting company but I refused...the inside every time there was to go away storcevano the guts for the burden of work and the poor economic return (daair low and refund). the foreign stay is an agreement that must be agreed before in the smallest economic and logistic details... from here the low number of highly qualified staff for long periods. I repeat I agree with colleagues who say in previous posts that this number is under 5%.
tho ringrazio, paulpaul.I don't know exactly why I've never made statistics, but about the percentage you said or a little lower (pre-covid word...)
I understand, taurus77. I understand your reasoning, however, for a young graduate in engineering that is hired by a company (so it is an interior) is not however convenient to make long trips abroad so it takes a higher wage? even if the diary per day is low, multiplied by the number of days (which is more than 180 per year), it allows to obtain a wage that should not be negligible more than what would be if they did not move. Is it as correct as I support?it is for companies to send external staff especially consultants through consulting companies has high costs we start from 250 to 500€ per day and sometimes even beyond up to 1000€ for some niche figures like systems of some equipment without which stops everything...the situation is different for the insides that are "costretti" of malavoglia starting with a very low daily air and often with reimbursement expenses, to the most fortunate is given a corporate credit card. from my experience in Italy works so while the Germans have numbers that for us Italians are unavoidable.
an example: Italian travel to vienna 200€ per day while German consulting companies to do the same job asked from 300 to 400€ per day.
you overall go to earn more than in Italy but you have to do well and check if you are in there with the expenses...if you send for six months in vienna even if you perceive a monthly net higher than your colleague of Milan or torino do the accounts you will live in vienna where the cost of life is higher than in Italy.I understand, taurus77. I understand your reasoning, however, for a young graduate in engineering that is hired by a company (so it is an interior) is not however convenient to make long trips abroad so it takes a higher wage? even if the diary per day is low, multiplied by the number of days (which is more than 180 per year), it allows to obtain a wage that should not be negligible more than what would be if they did not move. Is it as correct as I support?
Thank you, taurus77. In the specific case, the expenses of the accommodation are borne by the company, and being countries like Greek and Bulgarian, the cost of life should not be higher than that of Italy. the increase of the wage is about € 40 net per day.you overall go to earn more than in Italy but you have to do well and check if you are in there with the expenses...if you send for six months in vienna even if you perceive a monthly net higher than your colleague of Milan or torino do the accounts you will live in vienna where the cost of life is higher than in Italy.
the companies are not pious works and for them the graduates to slam right and to lack are a manna from the sky. of these situations I have seen too many and sincerely I am also very bitter. Open eyes boys and don't get screwed. . Once it is said yes to not be put on the caxxo, the second time it is said to be quiet to live, the third time if you say yes to the subpaid trips you become automatically the zerbino of the leaders. a sincere wish for your future.
by curiosity how much is the base monthly pay without 40€ per day? Are the net 40€ daily on the days actually worked or the entire month? I as a transfer fee in Italy felt 30€ per day worked while for those who are on foreign travel and cannot return home the allowance is to be calculated on the entire month of stay.Thank you, taurus77. In the specific case, the expenses of the accommodation are borne by the company, and being countries like Greek and Bulgarian, the cost of life should not be higher than that of Italy. the increase of the wage is about € 40 net per day.
the pay base monthly is about € 1500 net. the transfer fee is on the entire month of stay, so it also includes Sundays. In your case, how much was it for foreign travel?by curiosity how much is the base monthly pay without 40€ per day? Are the net 40€ daily on the days actually worked or the entire month? I as a transfer fee in Italy felt 30€ per day worked while for those who are on foreign travel and cannot return home the allowance is to be calculated on the entire month of stay.
I remember a period in which fca did not enter the consultants for reasons of cash integration and the company had tried not to pay the transfer fee and I recently had undergone a transfer from bologna to torino... spent on expenses... It's useless to say I pissed like a hyena with other colleagues.
from what I understand you are very young and you seem very motivated. if you want to do this experience well come and any experience grows both positive and negative and helps enrich your human baggage. I greet you with the title of an old song of old people " dream, boy, dream"
just to make number, until recently I worked, as taurus, for a consultancy company and took 1200 net basics, with 30 euros per week of allowance (transferted in Italy) for every day worked; Saturday and Sunday, when I was out, I had no right to any allowance.by curiosity how much is the base monthly pay without 40€ per day? Are the net 40€ daily on the days actually worked or the entire month? I as a transfer fee in Italy felt 30€ per day worked while for those who are on foreign travel and cannot return home the allowance is to be calculated on the entire month of stay.
I remember a period in which fca did not enter the consultants for reasons of cash integration and the company had tried not to pay the transfer fee and I recently had undergone a transfer from bologna to torino... spent on expenses... It's useless to say I pissed like a hyena with other colleagues.
from what I understand you are very young and you seem very motivated. if you want to do this experience well come and any experience grows both positive and negative and helps enrich your human baggage. I greet you with the title of an old song of old people " dream, boy, dream"
I'm sorry about ignorance, but what does that mean?come taurus,
that then 30 €/day (experienced and hope spent) in proportion to the 1200€/month is not even little, it is the 1200€/month that is not good.I took 1200 net base, with 30 euros per day of allowance (transferted to Italy)
1200€ are few...with which band of contract have you framed?just to make number, until recently I worked, as taurus, for a consultancy company and took 1200 net basics, with 30 euros per week of allowance (transferted in Italy) for every day worked; Saturday and Sunday, when I was out, I had no right to any allowance.
Sorry. bulus77 I understand nowI'm sorry about ignorance, but what does that mean?
my monthly salary was that standard of approximately 2012,44€ to which were added 30€ day worked of transfer fee, plus 5€ per day of meal coupons while the foreign transfer fee is that standard of 77, 47€.the pay base monthly is about € 1500 net. the transfer fee is on the entire month of stay, so it also includes Sundays. In your case, how much was it for foreign travel?
not ccnl metalmeccanico, but professional services.1200€ are few...with which band of contract have you framed?
on the basis of your knowledge/experiences, taurus77, limiting itself only to positions for young engineering graduates, the percentage of positions that involve long transfers abroad is about 5% as the one that is found considering the globality of positions, so all levels of seniority? I refer to the average percentage value of positions for young graduates in engineering in the Italian private industry (and not, therefore, to a specific sector because I understand that it may vary from sector to sector).my monthly salary was that standard of approximately 2012,44€ to which were added 30€ day worked of transfer fee, plus 5€ per day of meal coupons while the foreign transfer fee is that standard of 77, 47€.
They didn't go out of a cent from the standard table.