perito designer employee without p.iva and registration albo

[PierArg]

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1) be enrolled in a professional order/college in addition to making your professionalism recognize you do not pass the job, that you have to look for it.
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in reality they pass it to those who want them. others send advertising mails of paid photovoltaic courses.

returning to the topic, I remembered I was right about the occasional performance speech.
and what happens if you invoice more than 5000€? You pay more taxes or you can't just take the job?

And then, I'm sorry to take advantage of it, but is unfair competition prohibited or is it entrusted to people's common sense?

 

[XANADU65]

returning to the topic, I remembered I was right about the occasional performance speech.
and what happens if you invoice more than 5000€? You pay more taxes or you can't just take the job?

then x competition is another speech.
As for the topic excuses if I didn't mention you, but in the rush to answer I omitted your name.

with regard to the occasional performance, in case you exceed the threshold of € 5000,00 gross, you must sign up for inail and inps in the separate management and pay 1/3 of the fees you and 2/3 the customer. what you're going to pay is lost taxes...can't be contemplated in a future pension count, so I strongly recommend you stay under the 5000€ figure, and if you then expect your turnover to be between 5000-and 12,000€ in the year you can always open p. iva with reduced requirements. I don't know, maybe try to find out about the internet or ask job consultants.

 

[XANADU65]

of course you have to subscribe to inail and inps in separate management, only when you exceed the sum of 5000,00 euro gross, (both it is a single occasional performance or that it is the sum of the occasional performance performed) and you will pay the taxes only from 5000.01 onwards.

 

[PierArg]

grazie xanadu!: finger:

 

[-Mc-]

I forgot to add something ...with the occasional performance ....not designer...but only designer ...I'm sure nothing stamp and no signature, it will only result and simple graphics processing even if you have made calculations and designed.

Of course, you're right, but as part of the devil's attorney, I could answer that the documents you create as a designer are a technical relationship and therefore an intellectual property work that, according to the internal regulation of the college, must be billed as a professional.
the designer is an activity inherent in his specialization and the occasional performance is not covered in the regulation of the periti albo, on the contrary, is classified as unfair competition (as you "sale" less than you should).

 

[-Mc-]

2) to make the designer with p. iva entails, like every job risks and dangers, not only to have to procure the job, to fight to have a compensation more or less reasonable (most of the times much cut by the client) to do it in very narrow times ... so if you do not accept the job there is always someone who will do it at a lower price of your...and run dulcis in fundo and maybe get paid . .
with the registration of the professional register in this last thing you are protected.

true, but at this point a company because it has to call an expert enrolled in the atbo paying him double/triple of a normal designer/designer with p.iva not enrolled in the atbo?

 

[XANADU65]

to make the designer is not to do unfair competition.. can do it anyone.
you have to make a distinction between designer and designer
the first involves in-depth knowledge of the subject, performs calculations and technical relationships, and lastly signs the projects by taking the civil and criminal responsibility of what he designed.
the second does not need in-depth knowledge of matter, does not perform technical relationships calculations no design, faithfully reports what others have designed, in other cases recopy old paper projects adapting them to cad standards.
companies call the expert, the geometra, the engineer or architect if they need to design compute or make more or less specific technical relationships, they call the designer for the mere amanuense manovalence, drawing/print copyer etc.
I can also tell you that I have known boys who are not graduates or who have different degrees (descript diploma) that use cad as designers...(in the specific case 3ds max and light wave 4d, rhino) for the execution of render, I myself entrust myself to one of these after giving my model 3d.

 

[XANADU65]

and then who said that by billing with occasional performance you do unfair competition? Are you sure that any technician enrolled in the professional register is able to pay taxes and accountant who follows it in his p.iva? ....not everyone has the money...it always starts from the bottom. I add that I know structural engineers who took off the p.iva because they were obligated by taxes. ..procede with occasional performance.

 

[meccanicamg]

If you have graduated three-year, then engineering you have the opportunity to do the b-section qualification exam for junior engineer. if you are also mechanical expert or other you have the opportunity to do the examination of skilling of the experts. once you have supported the exam you are qualified to the profession. so far no obligation to anyone except greater moral responsibility if you are dependent but in the end it is only a recognition.




the next step is to sign up for the task. This entails obligations and rights and money to spend every year to stay in writing, do training hours etc.




another step is the game iva, which if you have... means you have additional costs that you have to cover in addition to the maintenance of the registration at the register. you can well not do it and use agreeable restraint according to the established rules.




you can very well work as an employee without or with all this without creating any legal non-compliance of work.




all this allows you to do a second non-competitive work and to work in those special activities of expertise after a number of years of registration at the beginning.




regarding minimum rates for engineers and experts was not abolished but only revised. If it wasn't, the market would have come up. However, remain to description of the board evaluate the methods of everything.

 

[Antosacca]

regarding minimum rates for engineers and experts was not abolished but only revised. If it wasn't, the market would have come up. However, remain to description of the board evaluate the methods of everything.

http://www.edilportale.com/news/abolizione_minimi_tariffari

 

[meccanicamg]

Hell, the new Italian stupidity. Unfortunately it is true that the minimum tariffs have been eliminated but really, so doing can take the job a professional to 5 euros/hour when that job previews 50€ now. congratulations....flexibility in taking it back like all Italian things. then we wonder why young people are unemployed or go abroad... .

however are counted as the old fares.... http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/impr...tetti-addio-sconti-102813.shtml?uuid=ab8pmgah

 

[Antosacca]

to you I ask:
How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?
I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.
Can you give me advice?
Is someone in my own situation?

s.e.&.o.
registration at thebo or college
if you are a public employee you must have the company's written permission to deposit at the college or order.
the fines there are if you work as a professional and lack to pay the contributions, the site that explains it for the experts is this:https://www.eppi.it/you can well be dependent (private company) and be enrolled in the college or order also do the state exam, then to work you have to register to the eppi and choose the economic activity with the code ateco for so many things (iva, sector studies, etc.). then choose the tax regime best suited to your revenues.
a problem, if you work as an employee at a private company, it could be what the company asks you to sign projects and you can't exempt you from making the parcel if you don't do it is unfair competition to your professional colleagues. and more.

 

[-Mc-]

you can very well work as an employee without or with all this without creating any legal non-compliance of work.
all this allows you to do a second non-competitive work and to work in those special activities of expertise after a number of years of registration at the beginning.
regarding minimum rates for engineers and experts was not abolished but only revised. If it wasn't, the market would have come up. However, remain to description of the board evaluate the methods of everything.

what I was challenged is:
be enrolled in the college and work as an employee without p.iva as a technical employee in a private company.
I have been challenged that I carry out work with the profession (intellectual property) without being recognized.
It is not a description of the college, there are laws that regulate everything. I remember that the board of discipline is as if it were a court of 1 degree, so you do not go to sympathy/discretion.

a problem, if you work as an employee at a private company, it could be what the company asks you to sign projects and you can't exempt you from making the parcel if you don't do it is unfair competition to your professional colleagues. and more.

the fee I can do only and only if I have the enrollment to the college as a professional exercising the profession and the special game iva da per.ind. otherwise I can't do the bill.
an employee without p.iva no longer make fees as per.ind.

 

[Antosacca]

what I was challenged is:
be enrolled in the college and work as an employee without p.iva as a technical employee in a private company.
I have been challenged that I carry out work with the profession (intellectual property) without being recognized.
It is not a description of the college, there are laws that regulate everything. I remember that the board of discipline is as if it were a court of 1 degree, so you do not go to sympathy/discretion.


the fee I can do only and only if I have the enrollment to the college as a professional exercising the profession and the special game iva da per.ind. otherwise I can't do the bill.
an employee without p.iva no longer make fees as per.ind.

You mean you work in black and without title? if it really is so worried before the operational core of the finance understanding that of the college.

 

[-Mc-]

You mean you work in black and without title? if it really is so worried before the operational core of the finance understanding that of the college.

read all the discussion before posting nonsense. . .

Hello, everyone.
I want to share with you a question that has created some tension in the company;
I am dependent without match iva framed as employee mechanical designer 5 level.
Having a three-year degree, I decided to enroll in the expert's register (mechanical specialization) by next year (I will shortly have the exam).
to you I ask:
How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?
I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.
Can you give me advice?
Is someone in my own situation?

This is the first post of the discussion.
they are repeating the same phrases because few can read the discussion from the beginning.. .

Is there someone on the forum who is competent on this subject and can tell me what are the articles of law that protect me or justify this situation?

 

[Antosacca]

View attachment Albo professionale.pdfI apologize if I didn't explain enough or if I was too synthetic.
Attached I send you a list of faqs of the college of verona that are more exhaustive.
find more here.
I hope you solve your problem with antonio saccarola affection.
http://www.periti-industriali.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=437
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/collegioperind.pc/docu/eppi.htm
http://www.peritiverona.it/mod_albo/new code deontological.pdf

 

[meccanicamg]

Hello, everyone.


I want to share with you a question that has created some tension in the company;


I am dependent without match iva framed as employee mechanical designer 5 level.


Having a three-year degree, I decided to enroll in the expert's register (mechanical specialization) by next year (I will shortly have the exam).


to you I ask:


How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?


I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.


Can you give me advice?


Is someone in my own situation?

let us remember that there is a substantial difference: If you are perished, with certificate exam and not enrollment in the register, you are a free citizen and you can do whatever you want as an employee. Of course you cannot do p.iva or competition. if you do p.iva you have to do it for a non-competitive activity, for example if you want to sell flowers as a second job.



If you sign up for the beginning you have obligations like training hours. you can open p.iva and if you want to do two jobs must not be competitive, as engineers and architects design and teach at school do.



seeks very well in the regulation of the losers because however even if you have p.iva depends on what you establish your private company. It could be great that by employee drawings and projects things for the company and so you don't sign projects with risk assumption....and then as a p.iva you do the insurance expert.

depends on what you do. the college is a lobby as always before informed by an informed accountant.

 

[xzzzzzzzx]

Hello, everyone.
I want to share with you a question that has created some tension in the company;
I am dependent without match iva framed as employee mechanical designer 5 level.
Having a three-year degree, I decided to enroll in the expert's register (mechanical specialization) by next year (I will shortly have the exam).
to you I ask:
How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?
I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.
Can you give me advice?
Is someone in my own situation?

registration does not automatically involve the exercise of the profession. you can be a private company employee and be enrolled in the register, it does not mean that you exercise (as in my case for example). when you decide to exercise the profession you must fill the appropriate forms to the eppi and do the normal practices to the chamber of commerce. from that moment on your contributions end up

 

[TiZeta]

hi, if it can be useful I bring my experience. I have been a member of the industrial experts of my province since 2002, after obtaining the qualification. having always been dependent I never (at least so far) exercised the free profession, and I deposited the stamp at the headquarters.
as obligations to maintain registration at the beginning there would be, in addition to the annual fee and the pec box, continuing training, which on express request can still be remoduled as you do not exercise the profession.
However, it is not specifically sanctioned (as confirmed by the secretariat of my college) that it does not comply with the attainment of minimum credits, which can also be achieved with courses outside the college's activities (e.g. courses on security or computer science at the current occupation or courses followed independently). Obviously this if you do not exercise the profession, otherwise it is worth what written in previous interventions (compulsory educational credits, eppi and so on).