perplexity of end of course inventor 2013

[corsaro33]

Good day to all,

as from title after the course of 8 half days of inventor 2013, we were puzzled on some points.. .
premix that the product we will have to draw in 3d is for 80% welded heavy carpentry "folded and tubular claws" ,
20% mechanical parts.
from the first lessons, the technician drew the kind of thing:
1 better not to put welds which then do not manage well in the table,
2 puts little bolts
3 simplified bearings (I could understand this),
my question is, but you plan so in 3d or try to save some sw gaps?
I also press that we have new pcs (core i7 32g.ram nvidia picture etc...)

thanks to those who will give us delucidations. .

 

[GianniM]

Hi.
1) I do not know the subject well
2) you will put on the bolt that is necessary, I do not see what particular problems you can intontrate with inventor in putting "tanta" bolts"
3) bearings are complex details, mase used standard pieces, perhaps means not to waste time detailing them too

 

[Tristan]

as from title after the course of 8 half days of inventor 2013.. .

Who took the course? a dealer? training center?

 

[GiGa]

1) I do not know the subject well
2) you will put on the bolt that is necessary, I do not see what particular problems you can intontrate with inventor in putting "tanta" bolts"
3) bearings are complex details, mase used standard pieces, perhaps means not to waste time detailing them too

(1) idem
2) It is also true, however, that after a (beautiful) little bit of viteria, it is a little difficult... I happen to have to put almost 300 bolted connections (single, it was a model obtained from a step and did not recognize the series) and as I went on I had to wait more and more for the calculation of the new bolt. I had to suppress those already done and they were sent as nothing had happened.
the slowing was born, I repeat, only during the insertion of the bolt. then, the model management returned normal.
this with 2013, with 2014 I haven't happened yet. . .
3) I agree with giannim... the increase of geometries in general (in every cad 3d), especially if not necessary, is always not recommended. . .

 

[corsaro33]

Who took the course? a dealer? training center?

the company is nke, should be monza or near,
They sell and do courses...

 

[corsaro33]

(1) idem
2) It is also true, however, that after a (beautiful) little bit of viteria, it is a little difficult... I happen to have to put almost 300 bolted connections (single, it was a model obtained from a step and did not recognize the series) and as I went on I had to wait more and more for the calculation of the new bolt. I had to suppress those already done and they were sent as nothing had happened.
the slowing was born, I repeat, only during the insertion of the bolt. then, the model management returned normal.
this with 2013, with 2014 I haven't happened yet. . .
3) I agree with giannim... the increase of geometries in general (in every cad 3d), especially if not necessary, is always not recommended. . .

ok I agree that the model weighs down,
But the finished machine must contain up to the last ram, even for a material list speech.

 

[Ilario]

for my experience:
1) welds I always put them, at least to realize the encumbrance (often I have welds on flanges near the holes I want to see if then there is the vice) and for automatic symbolism at the table. It's true that they're heavy to calculate, but just give him straight edges without joints or rays and big problems. then I also often use simulated welding when geometry is complex (type welds for frame/round movings that weld on pipes). But I agree that they are not entirely necessary.
2) I always put it all, even in this case if I "forget" to think that at that point I have the head of a screw or a nut are ca***i. then even for the generation of the distinct makes you the calculation of the quantity of the vice and I need it!
3) bearings are part of the contained center, plus we have an application with another even more detailed bearing library and I have no problems whatsoever... Of course it's useless to go model everything anyway... does not serve if not for the encumbrances and mounting dimensions.

 

[corsaro33]

thank you for the advice,
but your asses to how many components come? "just to have a measure"
and then, submitting a fem test a carpentry without welding what results would they have?

Thank you.

 

[stefanobruno]

total : 97239 (about 10000 screws of washers)
documents opened in session: 1594

It was partially shaped by a person who didn't mind rationalizing things.
the constituent entities the welded were not fully bound in their individual components.
many components were only placed in the assembly without constraints, the screws only bound perno-hole but free to rotate (idem nuts and washers ).
a delusion.
I spent tens of minutes waiting for the end of processing for each move and note ( fortunately only the pc) to see the result of more consistent changes.
exasperated, I decided to unleash everything and regain as zeus commands, opening all welded and healing the magagne.
It was hard but I finally won.
I don't say it's become a splinter but now it's moving more than acceptable.
next, of this entity, I do it all to myself.
moral is : spend time preparing things for good costs but, in the end, pay.

 

[pompeo79]

moral is : spend time preparing things for good costs but, in the end, pay.

:finger:: finger::finger::finger:

 

[corsaro33]

thank you all,
The concept is clear!
things done well always pay