print scale 1:20

[heryx]

Good morning.

I'm drawing from a cloud of stitches inserted by recap. the cloud of points is in meters, I by mistake did not set the model space first in meters and left it in mm. now I have problems in the printing phase, because I can not print in scale. Could you tell me some advice to solve this problem? from printing management I set 1mm = 20 units, but I do not find the same in scale.

Thank you very much.

 

[Cristallo]

ask a question and give an answer.. .
if 1 unit is 1 meter real and if 1cm printed corresponds to 1 m real, the scale ratio is 1:100
but 1 cm is 10 mm, then the ratio 1:100 in autocad becomes 1 unit=10mm
since you want 1:20 your press report will be... ?

 

[heryx]

I'll ask you a little question. 1 unit always corresponds to 1 m real?
I set 1:20 in the print scale and 1:20 in the standard scale. I think that's right.

 

[Cristallo]

you set 1:20 what? continue not to be clear to you speech.
First you'll be right, first you'll understand what you really do.
1 unit in autocad is 1 unit and only. to what it corresponds to you in the final stage of printing (the only really important thing).
if you establish that 10 mm printed correspond to 1 unit, all the rest comes accordingly
if you establish that 1mm printed corresponds to 1 unit, the design first must be 10 times larger.
then... if drawings printed circuit boards, 1 unit can be 1 mm real.
if mechanical drawings maybe 1 unit can be 1 cm.
If you design buildings, maybe 1 unit can be 1m, as if maybe you are drawing an aerial route maybe 1 unit can be 1 km.
all at the end is reduced to the ratio
x scale representation unit x print scale (mm printed for each unit).

 

[Tristus]

Usually, in construction design, it is convenient to establish that 1 video unit corresponds to one meter in reality, exactly as you would with the team working scale 1:100. so how much you throw the line command, if you set the length 1.00 you will know that when you go to print it will have to measure 1 cm on paper (exactly as you would do with the team and the rapidgraph). You don't have to do anything but set the units with the meters. personally, being of the "old school" and never having cuffed with the stairs directly in the print phase, when I have to make a particular construction 1:50 I cover the detail and take it by climbing it. climbing the double I will have a result 1:50. the greater disadvantage is that you find yourself with the increased odds, so I resize and resize also the size of the arrows. I imagine that in the press phase, without having to copy as I do, you will have to do the same. use the same values. if you have to bring it to 1:50 the value of scale is 2

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

but drawing in scale 1:11 in model space, quotating with real measurements and scaling in layout space is so difficult? why do Pindaric flights by climbing models, type (I hope not overwrite the value... at least that) the odds, change the size of the arrows... there is dimscale command if you just insist on doing everything in model space

 

[Tristus]

@ mammalsIt's my only big limit in autocad, I don't struggle to admit it, that is to set the scales in print. I never deepened the argument for truth, even because I didn't always have to do constructive details. but when it happens it would be useful to take advantage of the maximum autocad. with my method the trouble is that when I call (video) the portion of the drawing I want to make the particular constructivity at 50 or 20, I find myself with the value of the increased quotas, so I am forced to review the quotas. I take advantage of your kindness to ask if there is a way to overcome this. I tried with print layouts, but when I imposed the value higher than my usual scale, autocad also scales the size of the arrows.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

-you draw in model space all and always scale 1:1, main views, details, sections
- insert 1:1 scale square into the layout space
-In the layout space you create a window of the scale factor with which to represent the object and that it is contained within the square
-the model space defines the size of the quotas (dimscale) which is equal to the scale factor used in the representative window the object to be quoted (alternatively you can create many styles of quota, in which just change the suitable item in the appropriate screen, how many scale formats will be used; if some will not be used will be deleted with the purge command)
-Eventual symbols and texts will be scaled of the factor used in the window representing the object
-In the layout space you launch the print command, you choose the format of the used score, you set it as a print scale 1:1

 

[Legs]

a simple method to set scales in autocad is to write:
measurement unit = scale factor
if autocad is set for printing in mm and you want to print from a drawing in meters in scale 1:20 just write: 1000 = 20 = 50 = 1.
in the list of stairs only then select 50:1.
other example: design in cm and I want to print in scale 1:50
10 = 50 or 1 = 5. in list scales you choose then 1:5
then I recommend the use of the annotative quotas that adapt in automatics to the scales used.

 

[smemo]

has been a bit of time, but it works and facilitates the layout of objects designed in the text (on the desired scale)https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads...ione-nelle-schede-di-layout.18852/post-379716

 

[Tristus]

Thank you all for your attention.
This happened: in practice I always started every new project going to open the dwt file model that years ago I created customizing it. It's a file I created saving him with the autocad 13. Since I discovered that annotation functions, concerning quotas, retinals, directors, texts etc. were introduced with the 2008 autocad, in practice, using that model file, were not available.
in the menu, I see the "annotation" icons, but as quote styles I list only those I created in the 90s. I don't see the "annotation" style.
if instead I start a new project going to open the default file acad.dwt (the one present in the 2016 version of autocad, and not what I customize) here that, going to click on "annotation" I see the possibility to access the annotation functions regarding quotations, text styles etc.
I guess so it depends on that file that I called prototype.dwt with which I started every new project. I'll have to create a new one, first opening the acad.dwt file, repersonalize it and save it with my preferences. I did some evidence, and now I'm here.

 

[Cristallo]

with my method the trouble is that when I call (video) the portion of the drawing I want to make the particular constructivity at 50 or 20, I find myself with the value of the increased quotas, so I am forced to review the quotas. .

There is no need to review quotas.
Simply create a special quota style (e.g. 1:50), starting from what you use for 1,100 and simply change the multiplication factor of units. for 100 uses 1,00 for 50 uses 0.50, for 25 uses 0.25

 

[Cristallo]

-you draw in model space all and always scale 1:1, main views, details, sections
- insert 1:1 scale square into the layout space
-In the layout space you create a window of the scale factor with which to represent the object and that it comes...............

true what you write, but you will be forced to scale inversely written and quota styles to get a table that has a homogeneous order.
if drawing 1:10 and I make a window 1:100, then drawing 1:1 and I make a window 1:50, in the second (in the model part I frame for 1:50) I will have the high texts half that 1:100 and quotas with all the parameters scaled the half (head height, size arrows, distances from the points of altitude etc.)
becomes easier to draw directly on the scale. At least for me, even though I know that conceptually is wrong.

 

[smemo]

.... you will be forced to reversely scale writings and quota styles to get a table that has a homogeneous order.
if drawing 1:10 and I make a window 1:100, then drawing 1:1 and I make a window 1:50, in the second (in the model part I frame for 1:50) I will have the high texts half that 1:100 and quotas with all the parameters scaled the half (head height, size arrows, distances from the points of altitude etc.)
becomes easier to draw directly on the scale. At least for me, even though I know that conceptually is wrong.

the program "managementfl", in the mask has an option "creates only dim style" precisely to generate appropriate quota styles to use for every different scale of the windows.
another solution introduced later to when I wrote the program is to use the "annotative styles"