pro 2022 opinions (and wishing....vs autocad lt)

[ragnol]

Good morning, to a colleague, with some annual autocad subscriptions (fall in August) they proposed progecad pro which has permanent licences.

This colleague asked me if I can take a look at him too, because for him at first sight the commands are equal, the operation as well (also has the commands like "express tool", say), Plus manages the 3d and very well the pdf. for a basic use seems equal to me (we both downloaded the trial 30 days).

in coins, this colleague would pass from annual subscriptions from 1o€ and broken/cad, to floating permanent licenses with less than 700€/cad (and to say, the update from an old version of 4-5 years to 2022 costs 400-500€, so it could stay a few years without updating the software...).

Everything too beautiful? valid alternatives autocad-friendly (in the sense, that do not scare those who are accustomed to the autocad environment)?

thanks to all for any contributions, which I will then bring back.

 

[Tristan]

autocad lt does not cost "1o€ and broken/cad"; if you buy the three-year subscription costs little more than 500 euros a year, but often they promote and therefore you can bring home even 20-25% less.
in any way for basic use, as an average user, try to take a look at also zwcad

 

[ragnol]

for the "1000€ and broken/cad" I stick to what he told me, then if he doesn't exploit promo or he's getting screwed worse for him .
still remains the juice of the speech, with two years would take the license "perpetua".

would you be so courteous to give me two more info on zwcad, understood as pro/against? You don't know what they proposed?

 

[Tristan]

I know him by name. I tried a very old version in the early 2000s with a very annoying bug on the osnap, but now it will be solved.
among the various clones I tried zwcad, gstarcad and bricscad, all excellent products in relation to quality price. as I said, if the use that is made is basic (usually 4 polylinear, size/extending, quotas, texts and retini) commands are more than enough and they are all similar.

 

[ragnol]

ciao @tristan (and various users), about zwcad what can you tell me? because it is an alternative that they proposed to my colleague, and wanted to know if it is stable, if you have commands like express tools... .

Well, I can try to install it and see it myself, but if someone already gives us feedback.. .

 

[New Rider]

ciao @tristan (and various users), about zwcad what can you tell me? because it is an alternative that they proposed to my colleague, and wanted to know if it is stable, if you have commands like express tools... .

Well, I can try to install it and see it myself, but if someone already gives us feedback.. .

Hello spider,

We had to support our solidedge 3d a cad to develop planimetries and work with sheet metal developments. I had contacted autodesk for the supply of autocad lt but, as known the annual subscription did not excite us since our use. we opted for progecad just to avoid buying an annual subscription and having a own version. What to say..
among all those tested in demo/free progecad version is identical to autocad. at least repeat for basic things. I don't know if for push applications it can have limits.

 

[Tristan]

What can you tell me about zwcad?

for the cost it has, in my opinion, is a good product. I don't remember if he has all the autocad et, but the good thing is that it works with the vast majority of the lisp that turn on autocad. I think it is the best-made copy of autocad (they are Chinese, they know how to do it well )

 

[ragnol]

Hello, I'm trying zwcad, installed on two machines on the net.

if I log in with my account on the pc-1 I find 27 remaining days of proof.

if I log in with my account on pc-2 (of course. after getting out of the other pc etc.) I find 0 test days.

I would like to write to the house if there is a way to reset the count days on pc-2, but on the official website the closest contact is abroad, while I fear that zwcad-italia is one of the many retailers.

I mean, is there an official representative for Italy?

 

[Tristan]

wetech is the Italian distributor

Homepage - Wetech System

ZWCAD è il software CAD 2D e 3D nativo DWG per professionisti. Scopri licenze, prova gratuita e supporto tecnico in Italia.

www.zwcaditalia.it

I can't tell you

 

[ragnol]

thanks, anche troppo. provo a scrivere...

 

[lattu]

I get back to the discussion, who tested the latest versions of progecad? How do you find yourself? that you know the lisp work? Thank you.

 

[dieva]

in recent years has improved a lot at speed level in file management.
supports lisp but not those compiled in vlx and fas.
has many useful commands in express tools, pdf3d creation and import of many mechanical file formats. import rvt and ifc files.
many are also the commands dedicated to the topographers (see this link )
Still eye... because the version of autocad lt 2024 supports the lisp.

 

[lattu]

Thank you very much @dieva, the intent is to replace autocad with a similar product.
have also been appointed won/wrong e gstarcad, who lists me pros and cons of these software?
I don't think there's any other good products on the net, do I?

 

[dieva]

Thank you very much @dieva, the intent is to replace autocad with a similar product.
have also been appointed won/wrong e gstarcad, who lists me pros and cons of these software?
I don't think there's any other good products on the net, do I?

We cheat zwd which is a cam.

zwcad and gstarcad are 2 excellent software.
zwcad adheres to the consortium intellicad.org (as progecad) that provides them with the core software of the cad. the various companies then customize it and adapt it. gstrcad was in the consortium but for some years he left it.

zwcad and gstarcad are 2 clones of autocad both as interface that as a set of commands... with 1,2,3 years of delay manage to integrate new features that appeared in autocad. early years. For example, in 2024 zwcad, the override of xrif layers and the support of columns in the textm...

the support of lisp is present in all 2. in zwcad if you want to load vlx you have to convert them with their converter. . in gstarcad is not necessary.

excellent equipment of gstarcad utilities in express tools. are improving release in release printing both as quality and as times.

the performance of opening and display are excellent in both, if you try the 30gg demos you will have the impression of how they are more 'fluid' than autocad in these aspects.
I understood between my hands a building design of medium complexity with xrif that was affected by a problem - not rare - of slowness in phase of selection objects (it was created by export of revit or other sw) , opening it with zwcad the problem was nonexistent.

support and creation of dynamic blocks is present (to test with more complex blocks).

I'll give you the clouds of points are supported in gstarcad but I did not test the performance.... in the past releases it was not great. gstarcad supports .rcp and rcs. in zwcad you need a paid plug-in for import.

I have not tested the management with drawings full of solids 3d... I have the feeling that autocad works better but, I repeat, it's just a feeling I haven't performed targeted tests yet.

other valid sw are there. One is called Bricscad. Also this sw 10 years ago you could consider it a simple clone then since they abandoned the consortium intellicad.org and rewrite the whole code again the differences are noticed.

while the Chinese cads zwcad and gstarcad go to the 'traino' of autocad ie emulan, bricscad has developed commands and procedures not present in other cad.
commands that every designer would want in autocad and instead.... are several 'automatic' commands... they talk about ia, but in some cases solve great problems... only those who have worked a lot in 2d can appreciate them.... see blockfy, copyguided, incremental snap, polyline optimization and many more.
speed and performance in opening and viewing are better than autocad.bricscad supports multi-thread and multi-processor operations.

it has no dynamic blocks, which it displays, but it has powerful parametric blocks other than valid.

supports lisp but not vlx files and fas.
for the clouds of points you need to bricscad pro. the basic version is called bricscad lite.
costs a little more than the 2 cads described before and takes a little more time to get used to its operation than 2 Chinese.

this in short as I can tell you. surely someone else can add other considerations. in conclusion it is only to test them.

 

[Matteo-999]

after millennia to use autocad, for reasons of expenses, the company where I work has installed me progecad, even if I make a medium/basic use in my opinion has too many bugs: to zommare always always that the lines are interrupted, the object snap is quite annoying, the size is like in the version cad 98, and it is without (I don't know if it can call so)

at the end of time, fluidity and mood, the extra expense for autocad is more than justified.