problem center content and standards - laser tubes

[bebeto]

I am in front of the new problem with suppliers - customers and standards.

the customer asked me to draw metal containers respecting tubular norm en10210.

I gave the supplier the 3d standard and the problems started.

the supplier of the profiles sent the certified bars but the rays do not correspond to the norm.
tubular 50x50x4 have external radius 6 instead of 8.
tubes 50x50x3 have outer radius 5 instead of 6.

the laser tubes have other rays again.

the previous designs of the customer, despite being made with inventor and in table 2d was specified the norm en10210, have different rays belonging to the norm en10219 since the 50x50x3 of the norm en10210 has radius 4.5.

Since we have to do work that affects the radius, this is creating a lot of confusion and waste of time.

the possible solutions I thought:
- I create a custom standard and revisit the size but after that I would have the problem described :
- I don't want to throw three finished containers, how do I replace the profile without losing the work already done and without having to rename the file?
Of course if I try to change cc profile in the axieme, I miss all the work.

thanks in advance

ps: there was another problem but now I miss it.

 

[Tarkus]

I am in front of the new problem with suppliers - customers and standards.

the supplier of the profiles sent the certified bars but the rays do not correspond to the norm.
tubular 50x50x4 have external radius 6 instead of 8.
tubes 50x50x3 have outer radius 5 instead of 6.

thanks in advance

ps: there was another problem but now I miss it.

between saying and doing there is the sea...:biggrin:

the tubulars that sent you the customer are "normal", in the sense that they are with the rays that are on the market.:frown:
you want to say they match, they are those and often you have to adapt.
By the way, look at them well, probably the rays do not start and end tangents to the flat faces of the tubular, but they have a small edge... and I don't know if it can give laser problems

 

[Catafratto]

How many parts are we talking about, just to get an idea?

 

[maxopus]

What does " laser tubes" have other rays?
the cam of the laser tube (usually almà or the old cam of adige room) takes to eat what you give him.
the calculation of the path (for the spindle lap and the movement of the laser cutting unit) is done on the basis of the radius you have attributed to the step file (if it is the cam 3d) or the development dxf (if it is the cam 2d).

 

[bebeto]

How many parts are we talking about, just to get an idea?

about 6-700

 

[bebeto]

What does " laser tubes" have other rays?
the cam of the laser tube (usually almà or the old cam of adige room) takes to eat what you give him.
the calculation of the path (for the spindle lap and the movement of the laser cutting unit) is done on the basis of the radius you have attributed to the step file (if it is the cam 3d) or the development dxf (if it is the cam 2d).

the problem is that the cam program still has a loaded norm that has different parameters than the inventor's library, so for particular work I always have to present drawings separately.

still remains the problem with the laser of correspondence between what I designed (as a rule) and what they deliver (as a rule).

a solution could be a customizable library where according to the needs I can cheat on the ray quotas leaving unchanged the name of the norm.

 

[Peppe]

the problem is that the cam program still has a loaded norm that has different parameters than the inventor's library, so for particular work I always have to present drawings separately.

still remains the problem with the laser of correspondence between what I designed (as a rule) and what they deliver (as a rule).

a solution could be a customizable library where according to the needs I can cheat on the ray quotas leaving unchanged the name of the norm.

You could copy your rule so that it becomes read/write, then add a key column that will be the external radius and add all the rays you want.

 

[bebeto]

You could copy your rule so that it becomes read/write, then add a key column that will be the external radius and add all the rays you want.

but inventor accepts a norm without physical properties?
there are some measures not present in the norms but still normal use, like 50x30, which I would like to insert.
I've got to start testing.

 

[bebeto]

- I don't want to throw three finished containers, how do I replace the profile without losing the work already done and without having to rename the file?
Of course if I try to change cc profile in the axieme, I miss all the work.

and for this other problem?

I would not like to rework 6-700 components

 

[Peppe]

and for this other problem?

I would not like to rework 6-700 components

to the norm from which you picked the tubulars, add the key column of the radius, cover the row inherent to your profile (eg. 50x30x3 ray5, the incolli and the systems with 50x30x3 ray6). open your set, edit the profile and change the radius.....
or if all 6/700 components have the same profile, you can change the radius of this profile in the c.c., and try to make an update from management, near the c.c. editor.
I know that the update works for standard parts (vites or other) but I don't know if it works for these custom components as profiled.

 

[diegus]

what he says peppe in part is right but if you check the profile table in the cc editor the ray column is not there. You should recreate the ipart with the rays you need and publish it, once published you can replace the profile by frame generator (if you used it to draw your structures).
It's definitely a pretty pear cat!

 

[bebeto]

to the norm from which you picked the tubulars, add the key column of the radius, cover the row inherent to your profile (eg. 50x30x3 ray5, the incolli and the systems with 50x30x3 ray6). open your set, edit the profile and change the radius.....
or if all 6/700 components have the same profile, you can change the radius of this profile in the c.c., and try to make an update from management, near the c.c. editor.
I know that the update works for standard parts (vites or other) but I don't know if it works for these custom components as profiled.

then, I created my custom library with the command "Save copy in".
I started to edit it by inserting custom profiles.
- insert a component into a set or part
- save
- Shut up.
- edit the table by changing the radius size
- reopen
- the component has an old radius
- if I use the command "update standard components" returns the message that there are no standard components used.

I have another problem.
not being able to insert all the necessary data between the propitiages of the tubulars, I find some error message for the empty fields.
baro there??? ? ?

 

[bebeto]

small update, there are almost:finger:

editaaaaa

Let me reorganize everything and then I'll explain.

 

[bebeto]

I tested a little before I published the procedure.

We must act like this:
- create a custom read/write library with the command "Save copy in".
- upload custom library
- insert the standard component into a set
- from "content center editor" change the parameters you need
- "upper standard components"

now the shortcomings

- when you add new measures, you must complete all the fields otherwise inventor does not proceed to update the elements. In my case, I'm not able to calculate them, so I've inserted parameters to the eye.
- wanting to use custom components, the only way to update them is to make some changes, like changing the length.

 

[bebeto]

I prefer to use custom parts to have the most complete drawing tables.
Let me know if I have to do some more tests.

in the meantime thanks to all

 

[Peppe]

I'm going to talk to you guys about this discussion to ask you a few questions.
often using the chassis generator often happens, in the design phase, to create my frame with certain shapes (example with tubular 40x40x3) to a certain punch I want to change the tubular with 50x50x3.... inventor who makes: generate new parts replacing them and ..... by disputtanando possible constraints of attached components.
I wonder why.... .
It happens to you too or I'm wandering:

 

[bebeto]

I'm going to talk to you guys about this discussion to ask you a few questions.
often using the chassis generator often happens, in the design phase, to create my frame with certain shapes (example with tubular 40x40x3) to a certain punch I want to change the tubular with 50x50x3.... inventor who makes: generate new parts replacing them and ..... by disputtanando possible constraints of attached components.
I wonder why.... .
It happens to you too or I'm wandering:

It usually happens as you change the faces on which you pointed the constraints.
try to change only the thickness of the material, everything should remain unchanged.

 

[Peppe]

It usually happens as you change the faces on which you pointed the constraints.
try to change only the thickness of the material, everything should remain unchanged.

if the same shape fits it with the contained center, you can also change the size without regenerating new parts all the time..... .
That's what I can't understand.

 

[Alby189]

for my experience: the laser tube of our usual supplier has as a radius parameter
r=1.5xt where "t" is the thickness.
so in a tube 50x50x4 the radius I have to draw is 4x1.5=6 the same thing is confirmed by the manual baldassini, where the norm uni en 10219-2 specifies that value, if you want I place the image of the manual.

 

[bebeto]

for my experience: the laser tube of our usual supplier has as a radius parameter
r=1.5xt where "t" is the thickness.
so in a tube 50x50x4 the radius I have to draw is 4x1.5=6 the same thing is confirmed by the manual baldassini, where the norm uni en 10219-2 specifies that value, if you want I place the image of the manual.

It's not like that.
the norm en 10219 provides an average of r=2t for thicknesses less than mm 6
the norm en 10210 r=1.5t

the norm en 10210 is usually used by laser tubes