problem with autocad that in 3d goes to snaps or freezes

[lokodo]

autodesk today would tell you that autocad is not good for doing those jobs and would propose you a different alternative solution based on a vertical (type This is) or on a sector suite (type This is what).

I don't think they'd ever claim it would be against the producer as to say <<il a="" e="" fare="" lampadari.="" limitato="" nostro="" programma="" tazze="" è="">></il> I say it as an inexperienced and knowing my friend who design interior lighting in 3d. I've seen those suites, they always look very targeted at that kind of project. (I have seen only the figures like children) but I repeat the needs they are in cad for several and vital reasons. we hope only to solve with the reorganization of the machine that I will not delay to communicate to you.

considering that maybe you don't already have relationships with them and that 99% of the installed programs are craccato I think they don't have all the twists

I don't know how to tell you I certainly don't have them, but if I had configured a car from their resulting help desk then a fiasco I would have refunded my license and machine.

 

[Tristan]

I don't think they'd ever claim it would be against the producer as to say <<il a="" e="" fare="" lampadari.="" limitato="" nostro="" programma="" tazze="" è="">></il>

You don't understand. autocad costs 4775 euros, the ultimate plant suite costs 13000 euros. According to you autodesk, to whom does that job, what does it propose??? They'd say it, one who sells their solutions to you.

Knowing my friend who makes interior lighting design in 3d.

with what?

I've seen those suites, they always look very targeted at that kind of project.

Of course they're targeted! I'm sorry, but if you lived in the mountains and had to buy a car, would you buy a bmw series 5 or a jeep? ?

 

[Tristan]

I don't know how to tell you I certainly don't have them, but if I had configured a car from their resulting help desk then a fiasco I would have refunded my license and machine.

l'help desk autodesk:
1. do not confide
2. Don't refund anything.

you may forget that we're not talking about the electronic shop under the house.. .

 

[gil]

I take the opportunity to put in a question. but autocad plant 3d does not use the same engine to render autocad? I thought it was an autocad with tools to speed up piping.
If so in the display stage does not have the same limits as autocad?

 

[Tristan]

I take the opportunity to put in a question. but autocad plant 3d does not use the same engine to render autocad? I thought it was an autocad with tools to speed up piping.
If so in the display stage does not have the same limits as autocad?

here we are not talking about rendering gil but viewing in viewport. autocad plant 3d has the same limits as autocad if we talk about solids, but "plant" objects are not simple solids. Then, for charity, if the car on which plant3d is turned is a cagator I imagine that it will nail itself regardless.

 

[lokodo]

You don't understand. autocad costs 4775 euros, the ultimate plant suite costs 13000 euros. According to you autodesk, to whom does that job, what does it propose??? They'd say it, one who sells their solutions to you.


with what? with autocad? ?


Of course they're targeted! I'm sorry, but if you lived in the mountains and had to buy a car, would you buy a bmw series 5 or a jeep? ?

I don't know personally I don't care so much but how everything we're sinking into politics by Italian parliament. they design them in autocad the luminaries from inside make them 3d, the company is of power. But I don't understand. Are you surprised at me? However, I can't wait to update you on ekey's progress. at about 13.00 of today left we hope well!

 

[Tristan]

Are you surprised at me?

No, no, no, no, no.

 

[doking]

I don't know personally I don't care so much but how everything we're sinking into politics by Italian parliament. they design them in autocad the luminaries from inside make them 3d, the company is of power. But I don't understand. Are you surprised at me? However, I can't wait to update you on ekey's progress. at about 13.00 of today left we hope well!

lokodo, tristan of is simply saying that if you want to go for a ride in the monza autodrome with a five hundred with mounted a nice turbulent to doc, well your dicks if then comes one with the porsche and you svernicia, it will be also turbo but always five hundred remains

 

[lokodo]

ok grabbed at least 3 pages makes the concept. We wait and see.

 

[marcof]

if so I believe that the file from 570.000 3d objects is pure metropolitan legend, unless it is 570.000 polygons.

Shouldn't I just answer you for this statement, would the sense of inventing all this topic be to create a legend?

In fact, you should not answer, especially when you do not read everything you answer or at least bring a partial and misleading quoting.
I had written what I bring you back under:

therefore autocad in 3d works on polygonal solids for which in a plant with piping a single elbow curve consists of, I know, 200 polygons to render in realtime? This is how I believe that the file from 570.000 objects 3d is pure metropolitan legend, unless it is 570.000 polygons.

that if you allow it assumes a meaning well different from what you wanted to read: it is a consideration to a question that I placed myself, that is if autocad works on solid polygonal to render realtime, question to which he answered "enri". said this, it seems that if even autocad does not generate polygonal solids its shade display engine is an immonda key.

I am going to ask you the fundamental question you have not answered yet.the file from 540.000 items you have available was created with autocad?if yes, on which car? Here, those who created that file have a machine that can handle it so ask them what video card they use.
my suspicion however is that that file is not native to autocad, but is the result of a dwg export made by a program dedicated to piping and industrial planting, which obviously works with a realtime rendering engine for the manipulation of the models that really works, not like that of autocad.
from how much you read here your 3600-part model, open with autocad, is practically at the limit of usability. how can you even think about opening one that is 150 (cen-to-cin-quan-ta) times larger? then talk about working on it? Well, that's what I was talking about. imho want you to use a file on autocad that was not done with autocad
I hope for you to make a big mistake, but probably with autocad you will never be able to work on that file

 

[lokodo]

In fact, you should not answer,

In fact I shouldn't with people like you, I joined the forum for another reason not to polemize with someone I don't even know what he does. if you read the previous posts you will find your answer to the insolent (because putting it big and red is sign of insolence and arrogance and presumption). qualitatively this discussion is falling with your only polemic of legends and why not read, go to the message of 06-11-2013, 19: 30 but you like to intervene from the last episode, the "fiction" must be followed by the first, too easy to enjoy a short summary of the previous bets and draw a conclusion of the type...si but why this actor died like this? Couldn't he die there? However the overwhelmed the mega cad is worked in pieces every pc assembled a piece of it and I saw it all together in what to me seemed a pattern unifilare 2d white/gray high (from the shape) as a skyscraper but narrow as a straw (perhaps the zomm in the distance). everything with autocad and maybe with mc4 I can't tell you more I repeat that I autocad do not use it, I am helping them in the hardware configuration, I do from via. the forum also read the project managers so much that I had to publish some answers back from them. I myself got curious when users on the first pages had said that 570.000 are not a walk and now you tell me that anyway that 3600-part file is at the limit. ok re-repealed they look for a hardware configuration that can smoothly work on the pieces of the 3600 puzzle. the pc is returned from e-key perhè immediately after the delivery did not see all the preventive ram, motherboard broken not the banks therefore, with the occasion of the return they will have to respond to the needs that we had requested perhaps changing the only graphics card as suggested by tristan and company with those of level game. if it is not feasible they will implement the withdrawal and take a pc like yours more or less saving 1200€ and have a little more fluidity to those file conditions from 3600 objects with real display or as it is called her. the business reasons are vital and valid for the company I personally do not put myself to unionize their work of why and for how they do so more difficult than there if they do it a valid technical reason there will be.

 

[gil]

people, let's not pull it for long, on certain details.
Although I am not a moderator, I invite you to be constructive.

by summing up what was said, because the debate begins to be long.
lokodo would like to manage a file with 540'000 parts with autocad. also provided an example file with 3'600 parts.
asks advice on how to optimize your hardware configuration for the job you have to face.

forum users have indicated a possible improvement (graphic card replacement), but as all users' computers tape with the test file, it is suggested to evaluate an alternative software. Finally it is suggested to lokodo to inquire with who provided the file, on the software / hardware configuration it used.

meanwhile lokodo sent the pc to its supplier to ask for advice and evaluate the dafarsi.All this seems to me a correct approach to the problem. But now my curiosity is stronger than ever, as I think for others of the forum. I would therefore ask lokodo to let us know how it proceeds.

it is only necessary to wait for the answer of the hardware provider and, if possible, also that of those who generated the file. the discussion is a nice occassion to learn something and of this I am grateful to all.

 

[enri]

from what I understood it seems there never was anyone who opened, created and managed that 570 000-part file, they did it to pieces, probably with another optimized cad, then to lokodo it was touched to open and manage it, as hardware advice, with autocad. It is really possible that there is something wrong with this procedure, because the file is not native, whole, and therefore not manageable with autocad. However in the matter of hardware as I said there is little margin, ultimissimi bench give as queen card on autocad 3d, the 780i, the fastest desktop ever, (the former are a direct x, with realistic rotation, these are generically a direct x bench, but we are there) if this is not going, the procedure is to be reviewed, perhaps still operating on pieces of structure, until working it becomes efficient.

 

[lokodo]

exactly, the "preoccpuante" data and that in real view the 3600 file seems to give less problems on some of you:d and we must come to the end!

 

[Cristallo]

exactly, the "preopting" data and that in real view the 3600 file seems to give less problems on some of you

lokodo forgive me, the data about goes more or less well on some configurations, is very tied to small, sometimes almost insignificant (in everyday life) details.
if a ram counter has a slightly lower timing, if win is set or not to use the aero (no aero=less work for the gpu, then more' for the work in acad), if the rams are confided in dual (or even triple) channel equal to total ram etc etc.
Even the performance (and here someone will take me crazy) can differ if you use an antivirus rather than another.
It is not about what one can "care".

and we must come to the head!

Forgive me again... but there is no one who says that we must have to come to the head... If we do, it's a good thing.
in all cases, it would be appreciated, also for our culture and as a form of thanks for the interest of the many participants, to know "the guys" that hardware use to manage that file.
Otherwise it becomes all an academic speech, like the professor who questions you. the concept of forums (exchange, help and information), you know?

 

[lokodo]

or always thanked everyone several times in past posts we must is reported to the company that works on these cad is not a claim that I demand from you that you are advising for free. the machines that they have do not allow to work as they would like on that of 3600 that is their main goal they would want to get from the PC from 2400€.

 

[Cristallo]

machines that have do not allow to work as they would like on that of 3600

Here. Now it's clear. thanks to the explanation.

 

[marcof]

In fact I shouldn't with people like you, I joined the forum for another reason not to polemize with someone I don't even know what he does. if you read the previous posts you will find your answer to the insolent (because putting it big and red is sign of insolence and arrogance and presumption). qualitatively this discussion is falling with your only polemic of legends and why not read, go to the message of 06-11-2013, 19: 30 but you like to intervene from the last episode, the "fiction" must be followed by the first, too easy to enjoy a short summary of the previous bets and draw a conclusion of the type...si but why this actor died like this? Couldn't he die there?

you're the one who wrote:

then the small dwg has few objects but the more complex one has 574,000!! !

You'll know who reads understands that you have a dwg file of that size to handle. a file, not many files that in the remote hypothesis are joined to form a huge one. There's already the huge one, you wrote it. From here my observation more than read: who did that blessed dwg must have managed it and the suspicion that it was not done with autocad and great: I hope you will catch the difference between exporting a dwg from pincopallinocad software and creating it natively on autocad.

However the cracked the mega cad is worked to pieces every pc assembled a piece and I saw it all together....(cut)...all with autocad e forse with mc4

pieces or not pieces, it is a unique file and imho autocad you don't even dream of opening it and still know what software you saw opened that file wouldn't be bad. If, however, that infamous file of 540.000 objects is no longer a problem because no one has to handle it so much better for your customers for whom you are advising. . .

 

[numero1]

This is my pc:
hp pavilion dv6 4gb ram - win7 64bit - ati radeon hd5650 from 1gb - core i5 m460 2.53ghz

with autocad 2012 I got these times in seconds:
- 180 for "cold" opening
- 40 for the contemporary selection of all pieces
- 2/3 for zoom in/out according to the display style I found set
- similarly for global rotation

instead I found some big difficulties on the pan command, it stuck me often

I said that I have not yet understood something, and I pray that I read all the 3ad.
My question is what order of magnitude are we talking about?
a design of 500,000 and passes objects or one of 3,000 and broken, or even a series of 3,000 drawings that are put together?

I also point out that between the first dwg and the second there is the difference in orientation, just put yourself in the plant without touching the bird.
in any case even if it was a piping from "soli" 3.000 pieces is at the limit for autocad, unless you use a special application or a dedicated sw also not autodesk.

Trying to work with pure autocad on such a design becomes impossible, and tells you that one who did (and has times still do) just the tyrant.

Hi.

p.s.
the original file of your design comes from pds, I'm almost sure

 

[doking]

p.s.
the original file of your design comes from pds, I'm almost sure

I am also certain that they have used some autocad application that has macros
for an example something generated with advance steel, then converted into acis takes on a rougher behaviour