professional compensation and law 49/2023 on fair compensation

[TETRASTORE]

relative to the recent Law 49/2023 on fair compensation, it is not clear to me whether or not the engineers who are not enrolled in the albo can use it; In particular, I mean engineers who lend their work to private metal companies (with more than 50 employees or with turnover exceeding 10 mln) and who do not have the obligation to sign projects.
Does anyone have any indications?
Thank you.

 

[cacciatorino]

relative to the recent Law 49/2023 on fair compensation, it is not clear to me whether or not the engineers who are not enrolled in the albo can use it; In particular, I mean engineers who lend their work to private metal companies (with more than 50 employees or with turnover exceeding 10 mln) and who do not have the obligation to sign projects.
Does anyone have any indications?
Thank you.

then: I think it depends if in your work you work in the field of exclusive skills of the engineer. I think you don't apply in your case. What does the order of belonging say?

 

[stevie]

relative to the recent Law 49/2023 on fair compensation, it is not clear to me whether or not the engineers who are not enrolled in the albo can use it; In particular, I mean engineers who lend their work to private metal companies (with more than 50 employees or with turnover exceeding 10 mln) and who do not have the obligation to sign projects.
Does anyone have any indications?
Thank you.

In my view, no...
In addition to the attached document, it is clearly inserted as a recipient

"to the members of the order"

 

[cacciatorino]

then: I think it depends if in your work you work in the field of exclusive skills of the engineer. I think you don't apply in your case. What does the order of belonging say?

Sorry I didn't realize you weren't on the order. then I would say no, you are in the open sea of free competition.

 

[biz]

I confirm, only the free professionals (i.e. those who subscribe to the order) fall into that category.

 

[cacciatorino]

I confirm, only the free professionals (i.e. those who subscribe to the order) fall into that category.

I believe it depends also on the market sector: the professional tariff should be applied only for those who work by applying the exclusive skills of the engineer. if you are registered to the order but automatic machine projects you are subject to the market. if you are enrolled in order and bridge projects then work in a protected market and apply tariffs.

 

[biz]

if you are registered to the order but automatic machine projects you are subject to the market.

Things are changing. But there is still little clarity about it. In theory even if you design machines and your contractor is so-called strong, that is, with more than 50 employees or more than 10mln of euros of turnover apply the rates that fall within the fair compensation. the problem to date is to establish minimum rates. I am questioned with my order precisely for this reason.

 

[Cristallo]

Let me have an engraved tip.
being inscribed to an order does not involve being in a "protected market", anything else.
is a free market like all the others, with economic references (tariffs) on what to do. among the free professionals that I know the only ones who (maybe) do not argue are those who work as consultants of the courts.
is similar to the market of construction companies, which to be "confrontable" express their competitiveness through a number (low) on standardized reference performance.
but who is enrolled in an order, must respect a set of rules. if you do not behave deontologically well you can be suspended, if you do not pay the registration fee you can be suspended, if you do not have professional insurance you cannot operate, if you do not have continuing training you cannot operate... and above all a professional enrolled in an albo, when he signs, he assumes the civil and criminal responsibilities of what he has subscribed.
not for 1 month or 1 year, to life.
and to sign up for an order, you have to take a qualification exam (succedaneo a diploma or graduation) generally preceded by a period of apprenticeship that lasts several years.
I believe there is a considerable difference with an unwritten ing, which among other things must not even sign what he does (and therefore assume responsibility).

p.s. what is written is for the building/plant sector, for hearing it is also for the legal and for the doctor. I don't know if it's the same for the mechanic,

 

[biz]

being inscribed to an order does not involve being in a "protected market", anything else.
is a free market like all the others, with economic references (tariffs) on what to do.

As I said, things are changing, fortunately, and there is still so much on the road. now the fair compensation applies in the public sector and with so-called strong clients (more than 50 employees or more than 10mln of euro year). of course applies to the subjects registered with the order of membership.

 

[cacciatorino]

As I said, things are changing, fortunately, and there is still so much on the road. now the fair compensation applies in the public sector and with so-called strong clients (more than 50 employees or more than 10mln of euro year). of course applies to the subjects registered with the order of membership.

but it also applies to the activities that the law does not define that they can only be practiced by engineers enrolled in the albo?

 

[biz]

but it also applies to the activities that the law does not define that they can only be practiced by engineers enrolled in the albo?

I know it's worth free professionals enrolled in the albo.
the important thing is that the client is:
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_forte (more than 50 employees or more than 10mln € turnover)

in the reality of the facts many are not applying the law because it is fresh and for inertia do not apply. We had a meeting with our ad. that has spoken to us of fair compensation, but in practical reality we do not understand that tariffs should apply for example I, who operate in the world of industrial machinery. I asked for a meeting with an expert on the order. Let's see what happens. when I have more precise news I will post here (when? I don't know.
There's still a lot of confusion anyway.