public elements... aid

[fabulus]

Good morning
I am new to catia v5 having always used creo. I definitely don't understand anything and I need help.
I created the product structure with various skeletons at various levels.
I managed to transfer various public elements to a skeleton higher than the lower one,
but now, if I want to drag the face of one part on another, I always receive the same message:
"Selected elements not allowed for this operation."
Where am I wrong?
Can someone help me?
thanks to all

 

[gianni55]

Hi.

I think a face cannot be copied and glued, while a surface is...

use the "extreme" command to create the equivalent as a surface of the face, then publish that and see if you can copy and paste it.

Let me know.

 

[fabulus]

first of all thank you.
I had tried, it makes the copy, but when "special neckline - as result with my partner" gives me the following mask.
of course thank you again

 

[gianni55]

This seems to be another problem, due to the impossibility of creating an external reference. . .

this can depend on many factors: incorrect selection of the entity you copy, or incorrect (selection) of the destination, incompatibility between the relevant features, or incorrect setting of permissions in options etc.

Unfortunately from the image I do not understand which part is active (blue color) which features you have selected for the copy...

sequentially placed images that see selected tree and geometry (first copy phase, then paste phase) and also screen menu/options/infrastructure/part infrastructure /general

 

[fabulus]

rendo active elec_component_1
extraction 1
copyrendo active box_part_1
special glue
as result with connection
It makes me the mistake I was telling you about.

 

[gianni55]

Now I'm out of the house and I can't do proof, but I think you have to activate the box_part_1 part and not only, but you have to select the geometric group in which to copy the surface,

try to do it and send error screen photos

 

[dalmott]

the ion file you go to paste the public element already has some other element glued with connection and managed through the box_assy context?

 

[fabulus]

Hi.
I simplified the copy point to make you easier viewing.
I extracted the face from the pcb_part_1 component is I made it public.
keeping pcb_part_1 active I copied it
I made box_part1 active and tried with "special glue - as result with connection" to copy.
This is what returns me.at this point reading carefully, I came a suspicion, and I tried to paste
inside box_assy_skeleton.
so perform the copy.
inside box_assy_skeleton I made the surface publicI copied the public element and I cut it in box_part_1
I believe that at this point, to me, it is obvious that catia does not copy by jumping subaxes.
copy only to the lower next level of subassieme.
What do you think?
If so, I think it's a very heavy limitation.
Imagine that what you see is very simplified.
in the general axieme, there are at least 56 pcb (I removed 42 for convenience of viasualization.
Anyway, it's not that I'm the one who's a ptc vein I'm making a supercazzola.

 

[fabulus]

I had prepared the answer before your last sending but I forgot to send it. However, in the assy box there is the connector that gives geometry to box_part.

 

[gianni55]

Hi.

I tried to recreate your error condition, but I did copy even by jumping more subsets, so it doesn't look like that. . .

I think Dalmott's observation is much more relevant!

I read about the catia guide:

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contextual associations:
for contextual parts, the reference retains a link with the original occurrence or definition (or original part).

for each part each anniversary preserves a connection with its reference. However, contextual reference (or contextual part) has only one connection, with a single contextual recurrence. This unique link allows you to know the name of the document (catproduct) in which the external geometry of the part is contained.

There is a distinction between the original occurrence and later contextual references because the geometric definition of the contextual parts depends on the neighboring components (reference) in the axieme. the geometry of the context part depends on another occurrence in the same set (second link).

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explanation that is not of immediate understanding and that I personally interpret so: if projects in the context a single connection is allowed as on that part (intensive as part and its specific occurrence) a link takes into account the aid in which it is designed (i.e. the product name at the opening).

in fact if in the product you have the same part but with several occasions, only one presents the blue link ring, while the others have the symbol of lightning and brown gear.

to conclude, if the problem comes from the fact that you are copying and pasting in context more times than permitted
prova a mouse così:1) select and copy the public element (also in context)
2) open the part you want to copy it in another window3) and from that open window paste with connection (it should also change the symbol)

Having done it out of context, you should have it done as many times as you want.. .

at the time of the update the connected entity will not look for the update of the part in its specific set but only in the part.

Let me know.

 

[fabulus]

Hi.
I made proof that you suggested, but when I cover, the surface ends in the middle of the box_part_1 part (the center is coincident with the axle system)
I think it is due to the fact that the copy no longer takes place in the context, but it happens in the part directly.
means that the spatial position of the copy (which is the daughter of the origin of the source, so much to understand us of the parent axle system) is not the relative position of the constesto, but that of the destination part.
I don't know if I was able to explain myself.
I try to be clearer.
on a set I have n equal parts (recurrencies), but their spatial position related to the axieme, is different.
of course the assembly (the context) since I have bound them, knows very well where they are.
when I break geometry (of any type) if I do it in context, I also give the relative positions,
if I do not do it in the context, but directly on the part, the positions become absolute.

fabio

 

[gianni55]

I understand what you mean and (justly) works like this:

copy object in the product = paste in the relative position of the product
object copy = paste into the absolute position of the object

excuse but already publish a solo entità e utilizzarla repeatedly in a context obliges you to have clear dove, eat, and when you used that entity and if you change it produces chain effects already difficult to control, let alone the entity you must take account also of the relative position inside a product... I think it's too risky.

nice system the skeleton, but I have always seen it applied inside a product, creating a part with wireframe structure to which binding the various parts, through the use of simple entities (plans, lines, points etc.), these entities can be published for convenience, but from them to copy and paste them with connection, several times and in different position, seems risky.

I didn't understand what projects, so it's hard to recommend: perhaps it is better to proceed with the constraints, or with a part in multibody, or maybe the control unit performs boolean operations within a product using the other components: I don't know.

If you can add information, maybe someone else can help you.

Let me know.

 

[fabulus]

Meanwhile thank you for the availability. by premitting that I come from the ptc product that I know as my pockets, I can assure you that without association a good application of the top-down methodology does not exist. It seems to me that it captures this with limitations, but it is likely that I do not know the product well, I cannot implement it. considers that I have made plans also from ten thousand parts, of which at least 300 were associative. if structured well the product stands perfectly and is very easy to change. I prepare a "type" set and try to send it to you. I have the problem of the daily delay, since I have to work anyway. Thanks again.
fabio
p.s.
The top-down methodology is not of a kind, but of the product and the designer's head.

 

[gianni55]

I would like to point out that the top-down design is very small, I am working on equipment (mountability masters, maquettes etc.) and I must use many elements: complete shell of mobile parts and internal and external ends, from the prototypal phase to the definitive release, where ( fortunately) the task of aligning the revisions I go to download is managed by iman or enx etc. so with such multitude of details that change continuously, I never could work in associativeness except on my standard parts.. .

I have very little experience, but I try...

Hi.

 

[Mastello]

I would like to point out that the top-down design is very small, I am working on equipment (mountability masters, maquettes etc.) and I must use many elements: complete shell of mobile parts and internal and external ends, from the prototypal phase to the definitive release, where ( fortunately) the task of aligning the revisions I go to download is managed by iman or enx etc. so with such multitude of details that change continuously, I never could work in associativeness except on my standard parts.. .

I have very little experience, but I try...

Hi.

 

[Mastello]

If we copy one item from one side to the other within a parameter set you will have a context link , the limit of this link is that if you copy from the side to the part blink, the part will not receive items from the part b because it is a context link if you copy from the part to the axieme and open in another window the part b and incolli other limit of contextuality is that if you take the part as it received from the b side in context example together 1 if you insert it in the axieme 2 this will have the red lamp so you will not be able to copy anything in context, in ccp you will always be free to copy what you want, I hope to have cleared you some ideas, I project molds for plastics, and I manage assems that in complex more

 

[gianni55]

Yes, yes, mastello, thank you for the clarification.

mine was just an extemporaneous comment (for my luck I have no problems of that kind as I did not demand association with the thousands of elements in use but only within the within of my calibre), while the real problem has fabulus, that would want to work in context, referring to the part but above all to the part placed in the assieme and from your explanation it seems that you can do but only once and this seems strange.
Do you have any suggestions for his case?

Thank you.

Hi.

 

[Mastello]

Yes, yes, mastello, thank you for the clarification.

mine was just an extemporaneous comment (for my luck I have no problems of that kind as I did not demand association with the thousands of elements in use but only within the within of my calibre), while the real problem has fabulus, that would want to work in context, referring to the part but above all to the part placed in the assieme and from your explanation it seems that you can do but only once and this seems strange.
Do you have any suggestions for his case?

Thank you.

Hi.

generally in each assembly I have at least one fixed part and positioned to x0 y0 z0 of the axieme and this you can verify it by hooking the part with the knob and see what coordinates gives you, this part makes me as a bridge between the various assemblies because use to make ccp connections

 

[fabulus]

Good morning
I noticed, too. However, you have to pass through a part that is fix. all this makes the asses very heavy. each subassembly requires this fixed part that acts as a bridge.
This is what I at least understood. If someone has other "draws" they are always listening.