put into the table of commercial components?

[Error404]

I wanted to know your experience about it.
how do you manage commercial components?

a manager of mine had the brilliant idea to ask me the technical tables of commercial components in anticipation of an audit.
we talk about standard screws, cables, labels and "drum roll", a plastic envelope.
just to emphasize, we do not produce neither internally, nor externally these components.
we purchase them as a kit for our devices or assign them to it.

Now, to me it seems absurd to have to make a table of a plastic bag.
You think I'm complaining too much?

 

[asblo]

if in the creation of the separate there is a working filter that separates the commercial parts from the non, for the commercial ones should be sufficient the writing that appears in separate to carry out orders, without need of drawings. if then for reasons of management or consultation you need to associate a design to every single product the thing does not take you away even long, if there is the 3d create a table with a single unquoted view and here you have your "technical table" of the plastic envelope

 

[Sleepers]

He wants to waste your time?

we give an internal code to a commercial component only if we have to change it (an Elesa knob to which we practice a hole for a plug, for example); in that case we prepare the relative design but only with the quotas of our processing, indicating the code of the starting material (elesa knob xx-xxxx).

 

[cacciatorino]

There's probably a mistake of understanding somewhere in the information stream. I'd advise you to talk to anyone who asked you and explain the reasons, which is objectively quite unusual. You'll see that the request has been misinterpreted somewhere.

 

[Vittorio]

Now, to me it seems absurd to have to make a table of a plastic bag.
You think I'm complaining too much?

So you're telling me that if you have 1000 different screws... Do you have to make 1000 tables?
I can't believe it. .

 

[Error404]

if in the creation of the separate there is a working filter that separates the commercial parts from the non, for the commercial ones should be sufficient the writing that appears in separate to carry out orders, without need of drawings. if then for reasons of management or consultation you need to associate a design to every single product the thing does not take you away even long, if there is the 3d create a table with a single unquoted view and here you have your "technical table" of the plastic envelope

I have a distinct where standards and materials for screws are indicated. for envelopes is indicated the size and material. for labels is indicated as code the label coil to use and there is an excel file to print them. we say that all information is available. even all commercial components are coded that indicates that they are commercials (which I implemented because I kept hearing that there were no tables for some components without reading that it was a standard screw).

we prepare the relative design but only with the quotas of our processing, indicating the code of the starting material

the point is that we do not touch these components. We use them as they are.

There's probably a mistake of understanding somewhere in the information stream. I'd advise you to talk to the caller again and explain the reasons for the request, which is objectively quite unusual. You will see that somewhere someone misinterpreted the request.

the request comes only for a matter of "completeness" only that seems absurd.
once you have references to buy that component you don't need anything else.
I was asked to put a printed circuit board on the table.
how nice it is to indicate the distances of the various slopes of a pcb?
indicate the various layers of copper, thicknesses, etc...

So you're telling me that if you have 1000 different screws... Do you have to make 1000 tables?
I can't believe it. .

He did. Fortunately in this device there are only 3 types of screws.
But you have to add all the cables.

However, in my opinion, the meaning of the technical table has been lost.
should be used to make work, should not be a document to certify that component is used in the production of products.

 

[Vittorio]

However, in my opinion, the meaning of the technical table has been lost.
should be used to make work, should not be a document to certify that component is used in the production of products.

I share your thinking
no but.. drawing the printed circuit board is the maximum.
But isn't that a joke?

 

[Error404]

I share your thinking
no but.. drawing the printed circuit board is the maximum.
But isn't that a joke?

I'm just waiting and hoping they'll come out with the cameras laughing

 

[Sleepers]

I'm just waiting and hoping they'll come out with the cameras laughing

there would be to cry, more than to laugh :-(

try to make them think: explain to him that the commercial or standard components are already defined and it makes no sense to redesign them, it is totally useless. Let's imagine if every technical office in every world company should create the tables for the purchased components!

try also to put it on the economic level: How long would the company cost such an operation?

 

[falonef]

with partsolutions of the cadenas you can also download 2d files.

but the absurdity of your superior in asking you to draw and quote them...

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

for me with "technical tables" you are asking an extract of the supplier catalog or the reference regulations in which the construction specifications are indicated as: measures, materials, methods of use, etc...

 

[cacciatorino]

for me with "technical tables" you are asking an extract of the supplier catalog or the reference regulations in which the construction specifications are indicated as: measures, materials, methods of use, etc...

Very likely!

 

[wert]

I have worked in different technical offices and in no one has ever been necessary to create the tables of the commercial components used in such as: However, it was necessary that the anagraphic description report all references (normatives and no) to ensure that the information contained in the description was unique. I know that you use the gerber file and you have to take care of the master and not a mechanical designer. I think your manager has never run a technical office close.

 

[Error404]

for me with "technical tables" you are asking an extract of the supplier catalog or the reference regulations in which the construction specifications are indicated as: measures, materials, methods of use, etc...

I did not report textual words, but the request was specifically to make the table with our cartiglio of these components.

I know that you use the gerber file and you have to take care of the master and not a mechanical designer.

Many pcb designs directly me, in fact usually to allow the quality of performing controls I make a simple screenshot of the gerber project with quotas directly from the software for the design of electronic cards.

In the end, I managed to discuss it and make it understand the waste of time and resources of this operation. for these components I only downloaded a datasheet with references to the piece. for the pcb I only slap a frontal view with the encumbrance and indicating the thicknesses in the notes. label cables and what else I have categorically refused

 

[meccanicamg]

there would be to cry, more than to laugh :-(

try to make them think: explain to him that the commercial or standard components are already defined and it makes no sense to redesign them, it is totally useless. Let's imagine if every technical office in every world company should create the tables for the purchased components!

try also to put it on the economic level: How long would the company cost such an operation?

This depends on the sector.
who builds plants and machinery is good that screws and nuts are only correctly appointed, idem bearings (if not drawing). with regard to a hydraulic cylinder, a gear motor and similar things I would say that a design with at least the main quotas is required. then purchases often buy what they want and the design serves to compare at least the main geometries.
everything depends on which sector you work.