re-use table for mirrored mold

[alexmsk789]

Good morning to all
I have a problem: I modeled and put on the table a mold (assieme formed by subassiemi and parts) of a dx component and now I should model and put on the table the sx mold, I will proceed in the following way: from my file together I will make the command mirrors the product and I will create the mold mirrored.
I will now have created new parts "symmetry of..." that will be mirrored components of the dx mold, now there is the possibility to reuse all the catdrawings already created for the dx mold without having to requote everything? ? ?
How can I proceed for not having to remake the table from scratch??? Is there another procedure to mirror everything? ?

 

[gianni55]

when mirroring, subaxis and parts must be arranged so that the symmetries are applied only to the elements that must be symmetricized, avoiding symmetry of screws, washers, dice etc. which doesn't make much sense.
for those must be applied the rotation selection - new occurrence that appears in the symmetry command.

I will be ancient, but to draw both the particular dexter and the sinister ones seems to me a madness, the workshop must build according to the distinct materials and the writings on the design... you perform the specific design of a symmetrical part, only if it varies, otherwise it is enough to write it.

to make an example, e.g. in distinct you will write:

number part 1 name part part1 - q.tà etc.
number part 2 name part symmetry of part1 - q.ta etc.
number part 3 name part vtce m10x30 - q.tà (of which you will make the total according to how many you have in the various products)

in the explosive report
in the balloon n° 1 the part1 designed
in the balloon no. 2 the symmetry of part 1 symmetrical
in the balloon n° 3 vtce m10x30

in the drawing of the particular drawings only part 1 and make a tabellina that describes

number part 1 the part1 designed
Part number 2 symmetry of part1 symmetric

Let me know.

Hi.

years ago

 

[alexmsk789]

hi gianni55, maybe I didn't explain well, I have to design two molds, one that will realize a particular dx and after a mold that will realize the sx component (which will practically speculate unless some small variation). these two moulds will be two axioms (with various subaxis) and two different orders, so once designed and made the table of the dx mold I wanted to be able to reuse the drawings made for the dx mold on the sx project.
I usually start from the dx mold and mirror the whole axieme making another subaxieme with the new sx mold and going after to erase the dx subaxieme that I don't need anymore. In this way I create a whole series of symmetry files of...
Until now, I've always had the table with a 2d software, but now I wanted to start using the catdrawing and make the most of the catassociation.
I should get a mirror of one together with the various subaxis and parts and be able to reuse the table already made.
Is it clear now? Can you help me?

 

[gianni55]

Hi.
I was already clear. . .

I do not want to enter into controversy (it is a simple statement) but in 45 years of work, I have never seen drawing 2d both the right and the left when they are symmetrical and in case (as your) where there is some small variation, this is indicated on the same table.

the fact that they are 2 different orders can depend on one (for me) not shared corporate organization or the fact (for me) even more serious than being assigned to two different workshops, with a logic that goes beyond any healthy productive economy.

at the time of 2d, with projects made to tecnigraph with long times and great costs, which often formed bulky packages of drawings with hundreds (or thousands) of details, doubling the designs would create duels to the last blood.

in one case like yours, I create a set, where there are a catpart of the main body dx and a catpart of the sx (which will be a clone save as of the dx whose final solid is symmetry except the slightly different parts inserted appropriately in the tree), then in a subset I put the details with symmetry of rotation (pins, screws etc.) and in another the details that they demand

if you intend to proceed in your own way and want to reuse the table, you must keep in mind that the creation of symmetries generates parts that do not have the same uuid, so you can not remake the links with the symmetry of part

However a procedure could be this:

create part1 and drawing part1
create a clone of the part1 with save as "part1 sym" open it and within the partbody carry out symmetry
create a clone of drawing part1 with save as "part1 sym" open it and change all links by pointing them to part1 sym
do the update by adjusting all the inconsistencies due to the fact that the projections are at the opposite of those that serve as the piece is symmetry

this for every design.

If you want to take advantage of cat's association, do not erase the subassieme dx by condemning the symmetry files of... to be orphaned forever, with the difficulties that arise in case of changes.

Let me know.

 

[alexmsk789]

Hi, gianni,
I realize your perplexity, but I tell you that I and my competitors have always worked like this, making a project for both the dx mold and the sx mold. It is clear that if I have a particular inside the same order, for example a plate, dx and sx I design only one and I carry the indication 1pz dx+1pz sx. a project of this type also contains 200-300 parts that during the life of the mold could be modified perhaps only on one of the two molds, and the final customer must always have a total support both for the dx and sx.
and I also tell you that it is the final customer (who are large car companies) who ask for the double project both 3d and 2d.
However, everyone thinks of it in their own way and must do what they require.
I understand what you explained to me about mirroring and that's what I thought I was doing.
the fact of having to mirror each catpart becomes impossible, because in addition to the high number of details, it may be that there are components used several times with different positioning that could be shot around the assembling.
Since you seem very cautious, I'd like to ask you something else: when I have to print a sheet of the table, if I make the selection with the window I take an external part of the square that after vine considered as a print area and if by e.g. I have to print an a0 this will be slightly scaled. Is there a way even if I make a wider selection than the teaming to actually print only the drawn entities? ? ?
Thank you.

 

[gianni55]

I understand your motives,

As I told you, I come from the old school where usually companies of a certain level besides asking for the project, they also imposed you how to do it, emitting procedures to uniform the incoming projects and manage (inside and outside) future changes etc. so they should be to tell you how they want the project, especially in the caty, otherwise if they give you a generic layout like: send me the dx mold with all its drawings, send me the sx mold with all its drawings, I don't care how, as long as you do it quickly and that costs little, then we are in front of managers little capable and not technical, and with these captains, going against the rocks is a moment.

alas, they make the request and you remain the problem.. .

I still think about it, but I guess you have to remake the 2d for each symmetry of...

for printing instead of printing area - selection, I always used press area - whole document
best rotation, suitable for the page, with set page to the desired format a0 per e.g.

(of course the a0 team that you take from the dict must be in place)

Let me know.

years ago

 

[gianfranco sartor]

If you symmetry a part I don't think you can reconnect the 2d ..because it's basically a new file and has an internal id reversed by the father...and if even if I had to be able to connect the two-dimensional I think the quotation jumps to the big so as to remake.