refundable milage dip.

[cacciatorino]

I have an employee who sometimes goes away from a client. The job consultant calculated me a horribly high kilometer cost. for 440 km monthly came out 160 euros of rebound, when the fuel spending is 20 euros (methane) and there are no highway tolls. I saw the calculated cost is consistent with the aci tables, but these on what the hell are calculated? For example, they take an annual award of 2000 euros as an insurance fee, as if I had to pay my employees' malus bonus! ! ! !

For example, I don't understand why I have to charge my share of fixed costs (insurance, depreciation, etc.) when these employees should pay even if they don't go away.

Is there another method of calculation that is both legal and more realistic?

 

[Cristallo]

hunting, although it is high, I find (from computista) the more than correct count.
to make clear the point of view, let us put it in reverse direction:
your employee sells his car and comes to the varour by public transport and goes away, with your means, bought by you (initial time + depreciation), of which you pay the insurance (with all the bonus malus), and dui you take care of the maintenance to make it work (oil, brakes, tires, revision etc).
make these contiguous for a year and divide them for the annual miles of travel that makes your employee.
I think it'll cost you a lot, but a lot, higher than the km.
you can also think of a long-term rental of a small car, which is equivalent to at least 200 euro/month over fuel. You have to figure out how many trips he's doing, if it's worth it.
I know it seems exorbitant the cost of kilometers, but your employee his car, bought it for himself, not to make it a means of work, think about it.

 

[cacciatorino]

hunting, although it is high, I find (from computista) the more than correct count.
to make clear the point of view, let us put it in reverse direction:
your employee sells his car and comes to the varour by public transport and goes away, with your means, bought by you (initial time + depreciation), of which you pay the insurance (with all the bonus malus), and dui you take care of the maintenance to make it work (oil, brakes, tires, revision etc).
make these contiguous for a year and divide them for the annual miles of travel that makes your employee.
I think it'll cost you a lot, but a lot, higher than the km.
you can also think of a long-term rental of a small car, which is equivalent to at least 200 euro/month over fuel. You have to figure out how many trips he's doing, if it's worth it.
I know it seems exorbitant the cost of kilometers, but your employee his car, bought it for himself, not to make it a means of work, think about it.

ok, but I want to pay only the variable costs, not the fixed ones that he should pay equally since he bought the car not to go to my customers but welcome for other purposes. then fixed costs are high: as I wrote above consider 2000 euro/year insurance and 800 devaluation, when we talk about a ten-year car that now as an annual devaluation has a value tending to zero.

 

[calacc]

but is it not that in the refund there is also a transfer fee that exempts from transport costs?

 

[cacciatorino]

but is it not that in the refund there is also a transfer fee that exempts from transport costs?

No, it's just the cost km of the car.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hello hunter!
time ago I also found myself in a similar situation but on the contrary dependent..... to make about 800km my company previews a refund to the km of 0.21 € against the 0,54 € previewed from the tables aci for my car.
I had asked at least an average of €0.375 or a refund according to the fca rate which in any case was higher than the average I think around €0.45 km.
Since their resistance I decided not to use my car minimally I do not want to speculate but not to be taken for the c..o.
a few months ago a colleague of mine was involved in an accident where a tir did not calculate well the distances in traffic and was with his car....moral firm car and family walking being the only car.
for peace of all you can agree with your employee a fixed refund that is well accepted to both or take a rental car in need (sometimes costs you less).
However I understand that the money you have to leave you but still 0.36€ per km is a small displaced car between 900cc and 1200cc...for duty of information this is approximately the figure (0,36/0,40) that to my sister from his company for his spear y 1.2 gasoline.
as far as I know the aci rates are the only ones recognized in the legal field and although companies sometimes adopt internal tariffs in case of legal litigation are the only ones that are taken into account being included as supplement of the official gazette.

 

[cacciatorino]

for peace of all you can agree with your employee a fixed refund that is well accepted to both or take a rental car in need (sometimes costs you less).
However I understand that the money you have to leave you but still 0.36€ per km is a small displaced car between 900cc and 1200cc...for duty of information this is approximately the figure (0,36/0,40) that to my sister from his company for his spear y 1.2 gasoline.
as far as I know the aci rates are the only ones recognized in the legal field and although companies sometimes adopt internal tariffs in case of legal litigation are the only ones that are taken into account being included as supplement of the official gazette.

the fact is that with these rates (0.40 euro/km) more than reimbursement expenses we talk about an accessory wage.... I'd better close the p.iva, let me hire myself as a dip and then spend my days in the car! :biggrin::biggrin::

 

[calacc]

the fact is that with these rates (0.40 euro/km) more than reimbursement expenses we talk about an accessory wage

Yes, it is.

 

[Cristallo]

ok, but I want to pay only the variable costs, not the fixed ones that he should pay equally since he bought the car not to go to my customers but welcome for other purposes. then fixed costs are high: as I wrote above consider 2000 euro/year insurance and 800 devaluation, when we talk about a ten-year car that now as an annual devaluation has a value tending to zero.

I think your employee bought the car to come to work and go out with his wife/girlfriend.
He bears the fixed costs (I don't think he told you you you owe me a tot a month because I come by car to work) and he's fine with it.
with that kilometer cost you contribute to the holding of the middle for the only part where it is at your service.
that is 10 years or 1 what counts?
Maybe he doesn't have the money for a new car and you're shortening his useful life to do something to you. . .

Maybe you could buy him a new one and let him use it. I think the employee wouldn't even come to ask you for a mileage refund for travel
among other things he doesn't download it, you could.

 

[cacciatorino]

I think your employee bought the car to come to work and go out with his wife/girlfriend.
He bears the fixed costs (I don't think he told you you you owe me a tot a month because I come by car to work) and he's fine with it.
with that kilometer cost you contribute to the holding of the middle for the only part where it is at your service.
that is 10 years or 1 what counts?
Maybe he doesn't have the money for a new car and you're shortening his useful life to do something to you. . .

Maybe you could buy him a new one and let him use it. I think the employee wouldn't even come to ask you for a mileage refund for travel
among other things he doesn't download it, you could.

But reasoning should I pay him a refund on his home/work journey, or not?

 

[TAURUS77]

the fact is that with these rates (0.40 euro/km) more than reimbursement expenses we talk about an accessory wage.... I'd better close the p.iva, let me hire myself as a dip and then spend my days in the car! :biggrin::biggrin::

on the speech of the game "santo immediately"....:finger:
As for the refund I don't know what to say I tried to mediate fairly but I didn't get anything... so I decided "no money....no transfert".
in my case 800km away with the winter tires on the highway plus all that follows is oneroso, between rubbers +cerchione+braccetti+ suspension+ front bumper+carter protection undercarry tool+ workshop all because of a c...zo of hole taken while raining in the evening near modena more hotel and extra meals return on the train I spent 2750€.
I'm not gonna use it anymore.

 

[cacciatorino]

on the speech of the game "santo immediately"....:finger:
As for the refund I don't know what to say I tried to mediate fairly but I didn't get anything... so I decided "no money....no transfert".
in my case 800km away with the winter tires on the highway plus all that follows is oneroso, between rubbers +cerchione+braccetti+ suspension+ front bumper+carter protection undercarry tool+ workshop all because of a c...zo of hole taken while raining in the evening near modena more hotel and extra meals return on the train I spent 2750€.
I'm not gonna use it anymore.

But I want to pay his expenses, because it's right, but they're realistic and not five times higher than the real. The problem is that the aci tables are totally absurd.

 

[TAURUS77]

But I want to pay his expenses, because it's right, but they're realistic and not five times higher than the real. The problem is that the aci tables are totally absurd.

I understood your good will... but he claims the refund aci or can you find a square?

 

[cacciatorino]

I understood your good will... but he claims the refund aci or can you find a square?

But let alone, no conflict. It's just that the job counselor insisted on the rigid application of the aci tables, despite my counterdeductions.

 

[TAURUS77]

But let alone, no conflict. It's just that the job counselor insisted on the rigid application of the aci tables, despite my counterdeductions.

Okay! according to me with a car of small displaced methane with 0.25/0.3 € per km you are in to make 440km happy him and happy you.

 

[MBT]

But I want to pay his expenses, because it's right, but they're realistic and not five times higher than the real. The problem is that the aci tables are totally absurd.

only a question
You'll notice that during a trip an accident occurred. employee's fault, someone else's fault doesn't matter. .
we say that no one has hurt but that the car is destroyed or severely damaged
Who pays? do you contribute to the expense, since you always gave him and only the "live" expense for the handling of the medium?? ?

 

[cacciatorino]

only a question
You'll notice that during a trip an accident occurred. employee's fault, someone else's fault doesn't matter. .
we say that no one has hurt but that the car is destroyed or severely damaged
Who pays? do you contribute to the expense, since you always gave him and only the "live" expense for the handling of the medium?? ?

I honestly don't know, if that happens, I'll ask the job counselor, but I think the car's coming in.

Of course, if they apply to the very small professional study the same rigidities as the big company, maybe we get the result of failing the national economy.

 

[MBT]

I honestly don't know, if that happens, I'll ask the job counselor, but I think the car's coming in.

That's right.
I believe that the aci rates and their application as a kilometric refund serve precisely to avoid this kind of boredom
understood in the sense that the holder pays to the employee also a "quota" of insurance, maintenance, amortization of the medium itself, thus disregarding any further responsibility and burden in case of accidents
the rc car may also not come into question, in case the employee is wrong.
If you paid him, for example, only gasoline would have the right to ask for money to repair the car. legitimate, since he used it for your interests? How much?? The fights arise....
If you pay him a tot for every km he does, the correct answer will be: "arranged, because I already gave you for every trip made... "

Of course, if they apply to the very small professional study the same rigidities as the big company, maybe we get the result of failing the national economy.

Uh, yeah, points of view.

Moreover, not being Japanese, we do not work for glory (unless it has capital g) but for the vil danaro.
At this point it is also right that an employee of a company from three people or three thousand have "more or less" the same rights as the same duties, right?

 

[TAURUS77]

I honestly don't know, if that happens, I'll ask the job counselor, but I think the car's coming in.

Of course, if they apply to the very small professional study the same rigidities as the big company, maybe we get the result of failing the national economy.

I agree with you hunting!! the core of the question is that there is too much disparity between large companies and small firms... .
to stay on the topic a few years ago I had an ingenious of a big company that cared for....he was the commercial and therefore what brought the pappa to home and remember that it moved to repayment with an alpha brera 3.2 jts and gave him the refund according to table aci we are around 0,87€ per km (with the rates of today), I in that period I was not working, without

I see that the discussion and the focus of attention. :smile::smile:

 

[MBT]

analogous speech, but a little less intuitive, is worth in case the car fails.
It's called the truck, it's repaired and... Who pays?
"The car is yours!" says the owner
"yes, but used for business purposes" the employee
"where it was to break the same"
"if I had used it only to go to the camp, it would have resisted another 6 months" thunder the employee

etc.