remuneration ing. mechanic with experience info

[ehigo]

Good evening to all,
I would need advice from maybe those who have more experience than I am, I am 31 years old, a master mechanic engineer and I am finally finishing an apprentice having acquired mechanical computing skills and committed management.
I am totally autonomous in mechanical calculation, through software by formula, we talk about industrial plants and we do not fem because it is never required.
I have been managing for a year at the level of coordination between offices, orders worth 500,000 euros as maximum for now.
I therefore check that all the documentation is issued in the times provided by the various offices, I interface with the customer and if there is any problem are his first point of reference, nothing instead from the point of view economic management for business choices.

What do you think could be a fair wage with these tasks?
At the moment I take 1500 nets per month and I have 5 years experience, 3 in this role.
I think I have so many responsibilities to be an apprentice, but I wanted the opinion of those who might have more experience than me.
thanks to all

 

[wert]

In general, if you've been doing those jobs for three years, I'd say you've already proven to be worth it, and so it would be time to move on to the recess. pay, however, depends very much on the area where you work; if it is densely populated by mechanical industries, being there more opportunities, the wages will be greater, than a zone where mechanics is rare. Where are you?

 

[meccanicamg]

If you're under internship, corporate exploitation is already giving you a good level net salary.
Surely if you go to the competing tent you can also take 1800/2000€ net. Do the pendulum a couple of times and you'll see if you go they pay you.

 

[flash_player]

I don't know anything because I have little experience and take 1400 (with overtime until 2000). I manage a client alone and control, I correct, I impose the work of other 2/3 people. to me all this (both my situation, and your) seems pure madness in fact short portrayed the picture or change. makes you think that if I had done itis now I would be taking +200 euro month

 

[New Rider]

If you're under internship, corporate exploitation is already giving you a good level net salary.
Surely if you go to the competing tent you can also take 1800/2000€ net. Do the pendulum a couple of times and you'll see if you go they pay you.

hi mechanics mg.. What do you mean by pendulum? ;-)

 

[Tristan]

At the moment I take 1500 nets per month and I have 5 years experience, 3 in this role.
I think I have so many responsibilities to be an apprentice.

Are you five years of experience and still apprentice?
However it does not seem bad as an apprentice pay; I at his time did 36 months of apprenticeship, paid 1000/1100€ per month

 

[TETRASTORE]

What do you think could be a fair wage with these tasks?
At the moment I take 1500 nets per month and I have 5 years experience, 3 in this role.

based on your exposure I agree with mechanicsmg on a pay level of 2000 € net monthly.
My opinion differs on how to achieve this goal.
1) I would personally analyse my skills achieved, tasks and the relative level of responsibility, after which I would prepare a written, detailed but concise document, which lists all these characteristics divided into various blocks.
2) I would ask for a meeting with the owner or a direct superior and I would explain to him the document that you will deliver to him, advancing the request for a remuneration improvement in the skills acquired and your job.
3) as immediately requesting an increase of 500 € may seem excessive to your interlocutor, I would propose to give you immediately (at the end of the apprenticeship period) at least 300 € increase and the rest between 6 months or a year.
then, according to the answer, go.

 

[stevie]

Are you sure you have an apprenticeship contract?
I would ask for reasonable increases...100-200 net euros.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I think I have so many responsibilities to be an apprentice,

ccnl defines the tasks according to the framework and defines the minimum wage. according to your framework you can determine what your tasks are, according to your tasks you can trace back to your theoretical framework and to which would be your minimum payable

the apprenticeship in the metalworking field lasted up to 36 months (3 years). something doesn't come back...

I would like to say that the Commission's proposal for a directive on the approximation of the laws of the Member States of the Member States relating to the protection of workers' rights in the Member States of the Member States is a matter of urgency. the opinion of a forum is good, but it remains an opinion, even if dictated by personal experience.

 

[Stan9411]

Beyond national contracts, with 5 years of experience, with the level of exposure you have, being under apprenticeship contract you cannot feel. .
jobs that for your experience can also be right (a good and authoritative in 3 years can reach the level of autonomy necessary to coordinate activities and manage a customer), but with a contractual framework that makes no sense.

a company with good sense knows when it can afford to depart from the minimum tables ... for one who after 3 years manages orders from half a million, fucks the ccnl.

ask for the undetermined around 19-2000 net or salute.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

You can't say fuck the ccnl. ccnl defines the minimum and tasks. Otherwise you would go to the employer's whim and you could be evaluated meritocratically or as a servant of the gleba without possibility of protection.
in my opinion the user must understand if his is a contract in order to be able to advance legitimate requests, not only on his critical sense, and valid. then you can understand what is the minimum, which does not mean to ask the minimum, desirable.
I also did not write that the unions or patrons must be put in the middle, since I think that there is always at first the possibility of a peaceful agreement; However, I believe that the opinion of those who know the subject is preferable to the opinion of users whose background is unknown.
I hope to have been clearer in the exposure of my thought. I am always inclined to the critical approach rather than to the emotional one.

 

[stevie]

the unions (which are often the ruin of Italy and the honest Italian workers) leave them where they are...

even the speech to manage orders from 500000 euros leaves the time it finds, what you have to understand is how much you apply to the company, if the company thinks you can be replaced within a week then it will not give you increases, if it considers you valid will try to meet you.
attention then to the speech of the net increase, because a net increase of 300 euros is equivalent to approximately 700-800 euros of increase costs for the company.

 

[PIETRO2002]

the unions (which are often the ruin of Italy and the honest Italian workers) leave them where they are...

even the speech to manage orders from 500000 euros leaves the time it finds, what you have to understand is how much you apply to the company, if the company thinks you can be replaced within a week then it will not give you increases, if it considers you valid will try to meet you.
attention then to the speech of the net increase, because a net increase of 300 euros is equivalent to approximately 700-800 euros of increase costs for the company.

Maybe the comment on the unions could have avoided it, I don't think that's the right forum, generalizing is always dangerous and denotes little intelligence!

 

[stevie]

Maybe the comment on the unions could have avoided it, I don't think that's the right forum, generalizing is always dangerous and denotes little intelligence!

we are in a forum and I write what I think within the limits of education (that you have not demonstrated)
If something is wrong, the moderators will think about it, surely not a "sir nobody" like you...
goodbye and good life...

 

[Stan9411]

You can't say fuck the ccnl. ccnl defines the minimum and tasks.

My intervention was deliberately hard in massive terms. by now you should know me a little ahaha

the sense is that the minimum tables are too generic and prevent from the extent of the quantifiable responsibilities on the size of the company that is part of. an engineer with 5 years of experience, who independently manages half a million projects, coordinates the activity of various departments and keeps up the relationships with the customer, makes laugh that take 1500€, more without indefinite ... checchenedica il ccnl

 

[PIETRO2002]

we are in a forum and I write what I think within the limits of education (that you have not demonstrated)
If something is wrong, the moderators will think about it, surely not a "sir nobody" like you...
goodbye and good life...

see you have made a statement without meaning, generalist, not supported by the facts, practically fried air!

 

[scalva]

he says he has 5 years of experience and 3 in this role, which is probably the 3 he did as an apprentice.

The job you say you do is not an apprentice. your bosses are waiting to expire 36 months to pay less contributions, then you can choose:
1 speak clearly with the firm and treat the conditions
2 look for another job and leave (of engineers look for it)
3 look for another job with salary you like and then feel what the company offers you when you say you want to change

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

. an engineer with 5 years of experience, who independently manages half a million projects, coordinates the activity of various departments and keeps up the relationships with the customer, makes laugh that take 1500€, more without indefinite ... checchenedica il ccnl

I disagree. This is where the ccnl comes into question which says that those are not jobs and pay as an apprentice. with this data you can ask for contractual adjustment or reorganization of liability.

 

[Gioan]

if i can afford to say my opinion, i agree with stevie.
the only one and i repeat what to ask is how much i value for the company? can i easily be replaced or would my resignation represent a big scratch for the company?
all other speeches, to a holder affect relatively. . .

 

[meccanicamg]

hi mechanics mg.. What do you mean by pendulum? ;-)

I intend to go and return from one company with power to another until I return to the first.