replacement printer

[IPdesign]

It is a little that I think about it and therefore I would like to ask the question also to those in my own situation.

If you have a 3d printer of any technology, do you think it makes sense to give in to a more performing version?
or do you think it is preferable to keep it and support the second?
What have you chosen?

I'm considering whether it's the case side by side with a second 3d printer or if I switch to a higher system by permuting my current .

What would you do?
Does anyone want to get rid of his?? :biggrin:

 

[2¶ - progetti]

hi ip! I also think of alternate stages, there are months that I would take it immediately as I can't stand behind it, but I think it depends on how you want to face this market. In my case, I am evaluating to support the elite a fortus to expand the offer of available materials and that they would put me in a position to attack the medical as they are certified materials. not to forget the increased productivity in terms of print area and speed with which you could think about making small series.
I certainly wouldn't give up my elite, great compromise between aesthetic quality, mechanical performance, cost. You know the limits better than me!
I make this reasoning to stay competitive even on the single piece that I currently do with the "small", I would also land it as a vent for the urgencies of my customers, another commercial factor to spend!
Let's see if I can find half a day to go to parme to see the fortus....

disability

 

[IPdesign]

.... in my case I am evaluating to support the elite a fortus to broaden the offer of available materials and that they would put me in condition to attack the medical as they are certified materials. not to forget the increased productivity in terms of print area and speed with which you could think about making small series.
I certainly wouldn't give up my elite, great compromise between aesthetic quality, mechanical performance, cost. You know the limits better than me!
I make this reasoning to stay competitive even on the single piece that I currently do with the "small", I would also land it as a vent for the urgencies of my customers, another commercial factor to spend!
Let's see if I can find half a day to go to parme to see the fortus....

disability

I think you're referring to version 400, well what to say.. blessed you that you can think so big, I so far have not had orders like those you mentioned in the other tread and within a year I haven't even had a revenue supply from the field of expertise fortus so as to justify such an investment.
I currently have a collaboration with a company that has fortus and am extremely satisfied with the relationship with them.
of these periods more than making history to if I think it is better to make team, if the relationship is correct all gain us, I that provide my client a product at a correct price and my collaborator that you see increase the machine hours without having a competitor to worry about.

to understand, since with yours you've been practically out of the open with the hourly costs, how much do you think you can consider as the hourly cost for the amortization of a fortus? :smile:

 

[2¶ - progetti]

... at the moment I have no idea, I miss all the economic data (launched for example)... I will help to understand from the company where (possibly) I would buy. .

disability

 

[IPdesign]

Well, I don't really agree on this.
while having an excellent consolidated relationship with my seller I do not think it is the right person regarding providing me details to weight the choice.
his work is well known to have to sell, therefore he will focus attention on the merits and advantages and will fly over defects or hidden expenses.

 

[IPdesign]

I better explain why I understand that the above could be misinterpreted.

and in my opinion iron and manu3d fall into this group :biggrin: (a beer ? :finger: ?

I believe, however, that they and their colleagues/competitors should obviously make the sale of their daily bread, so it is to be considered that as from practice and common sense, every seller who respects emphasizes the merits of what sells and as far as possible flies over possible defects.

the last commercial I didn't recommend a purchase now is in burchina faso :biggrin:

Therefore if I have to evaluate in what direction to move to face the "my" market, only the direct interested person knows how to move, because there are a myriad of variables in play, type of clientele, type of product, service etc..
If you have been able to cross the threshold of a credit institution you can understand that what is written as hypothetical by a commercial never corresponds to what is proposed by your credit institution.

what I asked about the cost of depreciation is soon done with any spreadsheet

How many years do we want to shock a prototype machine?
I would say no more than 4/5 years, then it becomes obsolete
How many years do we intend to use the machine?
what are the fixed costs of the machine? leasing + energy
which variable costs ? spare parts and maintenance (which become fixed with a service contract )

(there are random numbers )

case 1 - economic machine
machine cost 50.000 € = 12.500 €/year (4 years )
maintenance 5.000 € / year
average usage = 10h/gg = 70h/sett = 3200h/year
energy consumption = 2€ = 6000 €/year of energy

at the end I have 12500€+5000€+6000€ / 3200 h = 7.34 €/h

case 2 - production machine
machine cost 200,000 € = 40,000 €/year (5 years)
maintenance 10,000 € / year
average usage = 15h/gg = 105h/sett = 4800h/year
energy consumption = 4€ = 19200 €/year of energy

at the end I have 400.000€+19200€ / 4800 h = 14.4 €/h

I repeat that they are invented figures, I do not know the actual value of voices
but here we have a hypothetical plan of amortization

if someone has voices that I have not considered or wants to make clarifications
would be of extreme help. :biggrin:

 

[Aspex]

eternal dilemma

 

[ferro]

case 1 - economic machine
machine cost 50.000 € = 12.500 €/year (4 years )
maintenance 5.000 € / year
average usage = 10h/gg = 70h/sett = 3200h/year
energy consumption = 2€ = 6000 €/year of energy

at the end I have 12500€+5000€+6000€ / 3200 h = 7.34 €/h

case 2 - production machine
machine cost 200,000 € = 40,000 €/year (5 years)
maintenance 10,000 € / year
average usage = 15h/gg = 105h/sett = 4800h/year
energy consumption = 4€ = 19200 €/year of energy

at the end I have 400.000€+19200€ / 4800 h = 14.4 €/h

I repeat that they are invented figures, I do not know the actual value of voices
but here we have a hypothetical plan of amortization

if someone has voices that I have not considered or wants to make clarifications
would be of extreme help. :biggrin:

Hello Paul,

A beer is always due to you at least for sympathy!
pass to the stand, pay manu!

I confirm that the figures are not so foolish, indeed they are quite centered.
therefore they are a valid basis of reasoning.
accurate that they are related to the reality that is more familiar to you, that of stratasys machines, where all components are covered by warranty.
I have known that other technologies exclude some expensive components from the warranty because they have to be replaced periodically.
this raises the cost/hour and not by little.

However, each one of you who deals with service starts from personal considerations that make the scale needle move on one or other technology not only on the basis of the mere hourly cost but by virtue of detailed analysis that each has to do.
we commercial certainly do not say no if you want to buy, but before that we try to evaluate with you the important aspects of these choices.

Goodbye at the fair!