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[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Good morning, gentlemen.
I would like to ask you an info about the tekla structures program.... .
My boss has decided to buy this program.... (I would like us to come from autocad 2d) we all happy because from what I know is the best for carpentry. .
only that he has in mind to lend it from a study (which is not intended to help us learn it) and claims that we with the manual we learn it ourselves (without course and even assistance) and then in a near future buy it.. . .
I know that these types of programs are very complicated to learn.... the question I would like to ask you is the following. . .
according to your experience in 3d software can you learn to use it under the conditions described above?? ? ? . . .
Thank you all.
Bye.

 

[Tristan]

I don't know in tekla detail but I think it's so much material on the web. the factor "time" perhaps is the most worrying thing, because or you work or study!
attention to one thing: "prestate" software does not exist, unless you have a touch of cheese paper where the developer company authorizes you. So be careful!

 

[Betoniera]

Good morning, gentlemen.
I would like to ask you an info about the tekla structures program.... .
My boss has decided to buy this program.... (I would like us to come from autocad 2d) we all happy because from what I know is the best for carpentry. .
only that he has in mind to lend it from a study (which is not intended to help us learn it) and claims that we with the manual we learn it ourselves (without course and even assistance) and then in a near future buy it.. . .
I know that these types of programs are very complicated to learn.... the question I would like to ask you is the following. . .
according to your experience in 3d software can you learn to use it under the conditions described above?? ? ? . . .
Thank you all.
Bye.

Hello elcasigamat
I sell from the same experience: from autocad to tekla structure.
I bought tekla a couple of years ago. Milan harpaceas company has the exclusive for that program.
if I do not remember the cost is about 7000 euros for the version 3000 auctions and 1000 euros per person for the course.
the course does not do it if you do not purchase the program.
I must say that the course, lasting 6 full days is really done well. in less than 1 month you become operational.
studying it alone, I think it is a bit problematic because, without the necessary knowledge, there is difficulty in managing knots and prints.
I confirm that the program is very nice. I had previously tried to study pro-steel alone, but I did not find the same efficiency as tekla.
There's a lot of documentation, but you don't find it on the internet. find her with the program. (eventually let your friend give it to you).
There are 2 sets of manuals, you have to choose, at first, the simplified ones, otherwise you lose yourself in infinite details. manuals are made more than well. but there is no example to follow step by step. this is why it becomes almost mandatory to take the course.
but, again, it's one of the best programs I've done. very detailed and educational.
Hi.

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Hello elcasigamat
I sell from the same experience: from autocad to tekla structure.
I bought tekla a couple of years ago. Milan harpaceas company has the exclusive for that program.
if I do not remember the cost is about 7000 euros for the version 3000 auctions and 1000 euros per person for the course.
the course does not do it if you do not purchase the program.
I must say that the course, lasting 6 full days is really done well. in less than 1 month you become operational.
studying it alone, I think it is a bit problematic because, without the necessary knowledge, there is difficulty in managing knots and prints.
I confirm that the program is very nice. I had previously tried to study pro-steel alone, but I did not find the same efficiency as tekla.
There's a lot of documentation, but you don't find it on the internet. find her with the program. (eventually let your friend give it to you).
There are 2 sets of manuals, you have to choose, at first, the simplified ones, otherwise you lose yourself in infinite details. manuals are made more than well. but there is no example to follow step by step. this is why it becomes almost mandatory to take the course.
but, again, it's one of the best programs I've done. very detailed and educational.
Hi.

thank you all for the straight!!! !
It was just what I imagined. .
difficult to learn such a program without the help of a course....
and even assistance.... if you block yourself somewhere to whom you turn... I don't think the manual tells you everything...
I see it hard!!!! ! !
You have the assistance, don't you? ? ?

 

[Betoniera]

thank you all for the straight!!! !
It was just what I imagined. .
difficult to learn such a program without the help of a course....
and even assistance.... if you block yourself somewhere to whom you turn... I don't think the manual tells you everything...
I see it hard!!!! ! !
You have the assistance, don't you? ? ?

I'm a civil engineer.
when at the course of ansys (where I was the only civil engineer) I said this thing to me: "It's not bad: you can fix it."
Although my study is small, I have many licenses on structural programs: modest, autodesk robot, tekla structure, ansys.
This year I have not renewed tekla because I do not make an intense use of it. with harpaceas, I still kept the assistance of modest because I do a lot c.a.
I think that once you learned tekla, you do not need to maintain assistance. for those who want to deepen, there are still advanced courses.
Hi.

 

[gil]

tekla I just saw him use I don't know him well. for what I know, like other similar software, for those coming from autocad 2d it is still possible to learn it from self-taught. is enough:

1 month only do software practice, so suspend the "productive" job.
1 more month to do test jobs, in which you have to consider probable errors and greater processing times.
1 more month to take our hand.
from the 4th month you are almost fully operational.

alternatively do the course is becoming operational in the middle of time.

 

[Betoniera]

Hello, elcastigamatt.
on learning nothing prevents us from trying. It is not difficult at all.
the problem lies only in the fact that there is no example step by step.
If you get hurt, we're on the forum.
the best choice that have made tekla designers is to build an independent interface,
detached from autocad (other software are autocad applications).
this has led to a very essential interface with few commands, without the limitations of autocad.
tekla is a bim application. this means that the modification of a joint or position of a bolt involves the automatic updating of each design, distinct or particular that reproduces that joint.
the user must only draw (with accuracy) the 3d model.
plants, sections, distinct are only representations of the same model. even the quotations, which are made automatically but still integrable, are only a property of the view of the model. so the user must not do that either. However, you must learn how to manage and modify those properties.
go quiet elcastigamatt, put to study, with the awareness that it is not time thrown away.
Last I'd like to inform you that I tried to make the steel cutter with revit. I bought the license(which is not cheap), I studied for 4 months and did not do anything. I threw revit into the basket.
this to say that before landing at tekla, I tried different roads and I could appreciate the seriousness and professionalism of the team that manages tekla.
Hello everyone

 

[Tristan]

Last I'd like to inform you that I tried to make the steel cutter with revit. I bought the license(which is not cheap), I studied for 4 months and did not do anything. I threw revit into the basket.

Well, tekla and revit are 2 very different software with 2 very different design purposes. if your craft is the metal carpentry I wouldn't even think of a fraction of a second to propose revit! if you make architectural design and you need when necessary commands for the design of structures or plants, tekla does not do for you

 

[Betoniera]

Well, tekla and revit are 2 very different software with 2 very different design purposes. if your craft is the metal carpentry I wouldn't even think of a fraction of a second to propose revit! if you make architectural design and you need when necessary commands for the design of structures or plants, tekla does not do for you

Bye, Tristan.
I could agree with you with the architecture version.
but I did not purchase revit in 2009 and 2010 the structural version.
retailers argued that revit structure represented the application of strucural robots to produce structural executives.
When I started studying it in 2009, it turns out that:
- the irons to handle the reinforced concrete were not present. It was necessary to build the "families". that is we users must know how to plan revit.
The metric compute was not immediately available. even here we had to build the "parameters", define the tables, and I don't know what else.
- the iron profiles were not available.
The only thing available was the calculation model. but for having it you had to build the whole model 3d.

Now, please note that the 3d model you use to build the calculation model within robots, or any other calculation program, is just a simple unifilare frame formed by rows. with autocad you put no more than 15 minutes.
then we summarize:
- with revit structure it was problematic to draw the armor of the c.a. (up for the 2009 version).
- with revit structure did not manage to make metal carpenters.
- with revit you can make the calculation model, but you have to draw the entire 3d. for an ordinary construction a week of work against 15 minutes of autocad.
then I ask: what do you need revit structural? .
Hi.

 

[gil]

I know little revit, but I agree with betoniera.
I think revit structural an interface for strutturists able to interface with revit architecture, but without having to ask which tools.

In fact, it seems to me that we have now brought it together with architectural, doing only one program.
in these years has improved, but many problems remain.
for example it is not possible to draw the detail of the supporting metal structures, it should be done with autocad structural detailing.

one should have revit + strutural detailing + robot and in the end I am not sure that certain works are feasible. at least not with reasonable times and methods.

revit architecuture is another thing, and for the architectural design has its why.
sin because if the structural part worked well it would really be a powerful coupling.

 

[>Iceman<]

Bye to all,
we had chosen (parecchio long ago) prosteel on tekla because already that was much more intuitive and easy and, sincerely, we were happy for several years. coming from the autocad environment, according to us, was the best choice, not to upset our working methods.
unfortunately prosteel made the end of the mouse.
a few years ago, we revisited all the trajectory of demonstrations to look for another road (though we were almost flattened) and chose graitec advance steel.
mainly we chose it because it was under autocad (which we already had), it was quite easy and, last but not by importance, it cost less than tekla!
on advance there is everything: videos, tutorials, etc. and, according to me, you could look and try this too.
Bye.

 

[Tristan]

- with revit structure it was problematic to draw the armor of the c.a. (up for the 2009 version).

now with the "extension" the generation of armor is much easier

- with revit structure did not succeed in making metal carpenters

that remained such and which, is not a software for carpenters evolved as tekla

- with revit you can make the calculation model, but you have to draw the entire 3d. for an ordinary construction a week of work against 15 minutes of autocad.

if you know how to use revit, use much less than in autocad

then I ask: what do you need revit structural?

depends

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Hello, elcastigamatt.
on learning nothing prevents us from trying. It is not difficult at all.
the problem lies only in the fact that there is no example step by step.
If you get hurt, we're on the forum.
the best choice that have made tekla designers is to build an independent interface,
detached from autocad (other software are autocad applications).
this has led to a very essential interface with few commands, without the limitations of autocad.
tekla is a bim application. this means that the modification of a joint or position of a bolt involves the automatic updating of each design, distinct or particular that reproduces that joint.
the user must only draw (with accuracy) the 3d model.
plants, sections, distinct are only representations of the same model. even the quotations, which are made automatically but still integrable, are only a property of the view of the model. so the user must not do that either. However, you must learn how to manage and modify those properties.
go quiet elcastigamatt, put to study, with the awareness that it is not time thrown away.
Last I'd like to inform you that I tried to make the steel cutter with revit. I bought the license(which is not cheap), I studied for 4 months and did not do anything. I threw revit into the basket.
this to say that before landing at tekla, I tried different roads and I could appreciate the seriousness and professionalism of the team that manages tekla.
Hello everyone

thanks to all for the collaboration,
Now I just have to jump on the program and see what happens.. .
At the most I will break your balls when I stop.... betoniera prepared...:smile: ( joke)
Bye.
soon
and for those who still have to go... Good holidays! ! !

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

It's still me, gentlemen.
I began to look and find the first difficulties! ! !
Now before you start I would like to ask you if there is an open forum where to ask for info about tekla... .
waiting to be addressed I ask you a question... .
in tekla can only be made rectangular grills??? ? .... I have the need to create a triangular tray base 10000 high 36000 but with base in high 4000....
Is it possible? ? ? ?

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

It's still me, gentlemen.
I began to look and find the first difficulties! ! !
Now before you start I would like to ask you if there is an open forum where to ask for info about tekla... .
waiting to be addressed I ask you a question... .
in tekla can only be made rectangular grills??? ? .... I have the need to create a triangular tray base 10000 high 36000 but with base in high 4000....
Is it possible? ? ? ?

In addition,
If I have a 3d unifilare grid in autocad I can import it into tekla and use it as a reference? ? ?
Thank you.
Bye.

 

[Betoniera]

In addition,
If I have a 3d unifilare grid in autocad I can import it into tekla and use it as a reference? ? ?
Thank you.
Bye.

Hello elcastigamatt.
I don't have a great experience with tekla, so there's no need for more experienced people.
But I learned one thing. in the approach with tekla it is better to abandon the mental scheme that you have done with autocad.
you do not have to think of points, rows or quotations to draw the model, but pittos to objects with properties.
It is true that the grid serves as a reference for the design, but most importantly, it also identifies the positions of the views, the position of the sections. when you open a new design, there is already a grid that comes from the prototype. a double clik on the grill and will appear the mask of the properties. try to change a few numbers and you will see how it is easy and intuitive to interact with it. (the double clik on the subject, usually always makes the offspring appear).
What would it be like to get triangular grills? Simply put the lines of the grid to let it pass from the desiderated points, or you can insert a beam on a grid and then change the vertices.
in any way there is the very efficient help and the modeling manual (at least for version 18).
tekla is a bim, coè collects information as you draw the pattern. so, for example when you insert a beam, you actually also insert the material, the specific weight, the surface of the profile.
when inserting a bolt, also insert drilling with its tolerance, the kind of ranella, whether this and double or not, the material. all these things are nothing but changeable properties.
here then that to make the hole for bolting in a package of sheeting, it is not necessary to draw a cylinder to be subtracted to the volume of the various sheets. simply insert a bolt whose prominence is that the bolt itself is missing and the washers (remains the only hole). tekla thinks about drilling all the sheet pack (because the bolt is passing).
the beautiful is that changing the diameter of the bolt (which is not there), will also change the diameter of the drilling.
It's an inexplicable logic, but it's not autocad.
Ultimately you have to try to grasp the logic of tekla, rather than try to keep good the experience of autocad.
after the first inevitable difficulties, you will be amazed in the face of a simplicity and a logic that you did not know before.
Hi.

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Hello elcastigamatt.
I don't have a great experience with tekla, so there's no need for more experienced people.
But I learned one thing. in the approach with tekla it is better to abandon the mental scheme that you have done with autocad.
you do not have to think of points, rows or quotations to draw the model, but pittos to objects with properties.
It is true that the grid serves as a reference for the design, but most importantly, it also identifies the positions of the views, the position of the sections. when you open a new design, there is already a grid that comes from the prototype. a double clik on the grill and will appear the mask of the properties. try to change a few numbers and you will see how it is easy and intuitive to interact with it. (the double clik on the subject, usually always makes the offspring appear).
What would it be like to get triangular grills? Simply put the lines of the grid to let it pass from the desiderated points, or you can insert a beam on a grid and then change the vertices.
in any way there is the very efficient help and the modeling manual (at least for version 18).
tekla is a bim, coè collects information as you draw the pattern. so, for example when you insert a beam, you actually also insert the material, the specific weight, the surface of the profile.
when inserting a bolt, also insert drilling with its tolerance, the kind of ranella, whether this and double or not, the material. all these things are nothing but changeable properties.
here then that to make the hole for bolting in a package of sheeting, it is not necessary to draw a cylinder to be subtracted to the volume of the various sheets. simply insert a bolt whose prominence is that the bolt itself is missing and the washers (remains the only hole). tekla thinks about drilling all the sheet pack (because the bolt is passing).
the beautiful is that changing the diameter of the bolt (which is not there), will also change the diameter of the drilling.
It's an inexplicable logic, but it's not autocad.
Ultimately you have to try to grasp the logic of tekla, rather than try to keep good the experience of autocad.
after the first inevitable difficulties, you will be amazed in the face of a simplicity and a logic that you did not know before.
Hi.

Hello betoniera,
Thank you very much for the suggestions.... you are actually right... The approach must be different... but it's not simple... for years you have lived with lines, points, axes etc.... now you find yourself having to think differently.. .
Anyway now I have a week off and I'll try to learn a little bit of the plan slowly... let's see what happens. .
Thanks again for the help
Hi:

 

[>Iceman<]

Bye to all,
But... we're kidding.

Hello elcastigamatt.
But I learned one thing. in the approach with tekla it is better to abandon the mental scheme that you have done with autocad.
you do not have to think of points, rows or quotations to draw the model, but pittos to objects with properties.
It is true that the grid serves as a reference for the design, but most importantly, it also identifies the positions of the views, the position of the sections.

but how, the engineer passes me a uniform in dxf or simple lines, "to dress" with profiles and with a program like tekla I can't do anything but I have to do it again???? It follows that I might be wrong to enter, compared to the starting unit!

when you open a new design, there is already a grid that comes from the prototype. a double clik on the grill and will appear the mask of the properties. try to change a few numbers and you will see how it is easy and intuitive to interact with it. (the double clik on the subject, usually always makes the offspring appear).

This is also done with the programs you find in the magazines! That sounds like a solgan phrase.

What would it be like to get triangular grills?

ma come???

Simply put the lines of the grid to let it pass from the desiderated points, or you can insert a beam on a grid and then change the vertices.

Okay, I think I understand: I do a random grill so much then I have to change everything.

in any way there is the very efficient help and the modeling manual (at least for version 18).

the help??? to make a grill. We're sick! But wasn't it super intuitive and easy?

tekla is a bim, coè collects information as you draw the pattern. so, for example when you insert a beam, you actually also insert the material, the specific weight, the surface of the profile.

Bim doesn't mean that! ! !

a bim may contain any information concerning the building or its parts. the information most commonly collected in a bim relates to geographical location, geometry, properties of materials and technical elements, phases of realization, maintenance operations. [cit. Wikipedia]is the ability that these software have to dialogue with other entities, as can be calculation programs.

when inserting a bolt, also insert drilling with its tolerance, the kind of ranella, whether this and double or not, the material. all these things are nothing but changeable properties.
here then that to make the hole for bolting in a package of sheeting, it is not necessary to draw a cylinder to be subtracted to the volume of the various sheets. simply insert a bolt whose prominence is that the bolt itself is missing and the washers (remains the only hole). tekla thinks about drilling all the sheet pack (because the bolt is passing).

but with what software dedicated to mechanics/carpentry, design a cylinder?? ? if we talk about autocad is true, but for the simple fact that there is no written anywhere that is a dedicated software (it is one of its powers not be!). cito tecnometal, prosteel, advance, tekla, strucad, bocad, ... do not do with any of them!

the beautiful is that changing the diameter of the bolt (which is not there), will also change the diameter of the drilling.

How the diameter of the bolt is not there? and if I wanted to insert a 18-hole into a 22-hole, can't I why it's not planned?

It's an inexplicable logic, but it's not autocad.
Ultimately you have to try to grasp the logic of tekla, rather than try to keep good the experience of autocad.

beyond autocad is the most famous software in the world, if it has come to so much and teach it in schools, I believe that the logic "inexcellent" is its own.

after the first inevitable difficulties, you will be amazed in the face of a simplicity and a logic that you did not know before.

Well, I'll tell you if...

Besides, if I have a 3d unifilare grid in autocad I can import it into tekla and use it as a reference? ? ?
Thank you.

...the first question is this, I assume it is anything but easy and intuitive.
If at the first approach, the designer finds difficulty in making or even importing a grid, I dare not think about creating drawings!! !

Betoniera, I'm sorry to say, but we're not really new to these programs and I think you really did a bad publicity of your software.
tekla is very well known and reality is that (it is well known) it is not just a health walk to learn it.
It's a great program, among the best on the market, but don't write that it's easy, intuitive and economical, because it's not so.

Hello, everyone.

 

[Betoniera]

...
Betoniera, I'm sorry to say, but we're not really new to these programs and I think you really did a bad publicity of your software.
tekla is very well known and reality is that (it is well known) it is not just a health walk to learn it.
It's a great program, among the best on the market, but don't write that it's easy, intuitive and economical, because it's not so.
...
.

Hi, iceman.
every opinion is well accepted.
I wrote in the premise that I am not a great expert in tekla.
for carpentry design I tried many roads and only with tekla I managed to combine something.
others can be well with different software. Where's the problem?

then what do we recommend to the friend elcastigamatt, to give up? .

Hello everyone

 

[ELCASTIGAMATT]

Hello iceman,
I also knew of the difficulty of learning tekla and it is precisely the reason that prompted me to open this post..... so I am open to every kind of opinion both pro and against.....
I am trying to use it these days (as far as I can) out of work... we will see what happens!!! !

Hello betoniera,
about the grid speech and whether or not to import the unit into .dxf (I also have the same problem as iceman... i.e. the engineer passes me his unifilare) I found that it is possible to do it with the command insert reference model (you can choose between different formats (dxf,dwg,etc... )

Hello everyone