safety playground

[Tarkus]

who should take care of the safety of the amusement park?
Is there an organ?
in my work I am obliged (justly) both in design and with the use of machinery, to consider all possible aspects to avoid accidents.
Then I go to the amusement park and see rides, (one for all : the "matterhorn") that rub at crazy speeds with the audience waiting half a meter away, without any protection, not even the transennial banals.
just a pusher or someone who stumbles and ends in it to get to the tragedy.:
What do you think?

 

[MBT]

I think I'll move it all to "normatives and security"...

 

[Tarkus]

I think I'll move it all to "normatives and security"...

Yes, I initially wanted to post there, but I thought the sense of my discussion was,
"It seems right that no one controls"
rather than:
"how to secure the rides," and so I saw it more right in off topics,
Anyway... the moderator is you

 

[MBT]

You know, it's still opinabile.
We are talking about security, so I believe that the right allocation is this, even if the subject is control (which should be done by preposed entities)

 

[gerod]

the rides are "machines" but are not part of the machine directive.
However, there are rules on this.
for old cars instead the thing is more serious. a municipal commission (integrated engineers, firefighters, etc.) checks that they are adequate to safety standards (electric panels, safety systems, etc.).

I would say that the single text on safety is applicable. Is this a workplace?
Surely the preposed organs must be vigilant.
Hi.

 

[Oldwarper]

the rides are "machines" but are not part of the machine directive.
However, there are rules on this.
for old cars instead the thing is more serious. a municipal commission (integrated engineers, firefighters, etc.) checks that they are adequate to safety standards (electric panels, safety systems, etc.).

I would say that the single text on safety is applicable. Is this a workplace?
Surely the preposed organs must be vigilant.
Hi.

for the rides should be the one 10894. quite recent (2001).
I think that the control of those who control the suitability and security of facilities open to the public (vvv.ff., municipal police, asl).

a rigor of logic, it cannot be treated just like a job, which requires, at least, training and education of personnel to have access to structures and machines (at the limit, it can be considered that space for maintenance prohibited to the public). the characteristics must be much more stringent, since they go into the hands of potentially "uneducated" people on the risks of improper use, especially children (no matter the papyri stuck at the corners of the structures themselves with their "exclusions of responsibility"), of an order of magnitude greater than the safety of the machine directive.

If the crowd approaches too much to a carousel, instead, that is responsible for those who manage it and not the builder: a manufacturer of excavators cannot put a system of "anti-umarell automatic transennes" (see the term "umarell" if you want to know who it is...:biggrin, is responsible for the safety of the yard.

Surely you can see around games in deterioration so that you have serious security problems, in the same way that you see cars and trucks in pitiful conditions ready to vent against you at the next burnt intersection, discos with the safety exits disembarked, Chinese factories under stairs, rides in dangerous parks and routes. We all know who should check and don't. except to come to break the marons for a gas tube with the paint a little scrostat (fire gun, never painted on the galvanized, eh...?), a useless air hole for a tin boiler or a king door with the spring a little slow.

I'm not in the industry anyway. If I'm not mistaken, re_solidworks works in the field of rides. Who knows more.

 

[Oldwarper]

for those who had little familiarity with gugol:http://umarells.splinder.com/

 

[Tarkus]

for the rides should be the one 10894. quite recent (2001).
I think that the control of those who control the suitability and security of facilities open to the public (vvv.ff., municipal police, asl).
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So, if I want to make myself feel to avoid someone coming sooner or later slaughtered by the rollinghorn without protections, should I turn to the subjects mentioned above?
I imagine laughs.... .

 

[Er Presidente]

for those who had little familiarity with gugol:http://umarells.splinder.com/

put up feisbuc!
:biggrin:

 

[myface]

the safety in transennes or other should provide the manager of the carousel, and it would be the task of the host municipality to do the controls.

But it happens that to a paesana sagra, if you do not at least risk being slaughtered by the pistons of a toboga or giving your ankles to the self-containers, what you go to do:biggrin:

 

[Oldwarper]

"riesumo" this thread only to make you "participates" that my daughter, 5 years old, had the leg broken by a simple playground of those on which you rise, you sit on the round benches and you turn around (type basket from washing machine). the "gens" that repaired it badly fixed the pin with two bolts that protruded more than 5cm, result; The foot is entangled and has "arrotolate" the stem to the fixed pin. I let you imagine the screams of the little one.:36_1_4:

Now she's ingested and she's gonna have one month, minimum. Sauteed holiday, ruined summer. for a pixla that sheltered from dog a carousel for children. And I, security freak, didn't notice, I didn't see him before, and I'll never give myself peace.

I returned to the place today (I had to go to get the referee to the ps) and I made present to the manager, who is "discussed" (cheeses...!!!), but at least he promised me (!) that the ride will be closed until repairs made with criterion (that so, being involved common and a circle arches will never be done). I'm not gonna report them, I don't give a damn, my little girl doesn't fix it, but I advised him to do something, at least he doesn't hurt someone else. I don't want any time to report or expose. I'd just keep us that no other child is ending mine.

Here too, the controls... a minimum of common sense... Is there always an accident before?!? ! ?

There are not only jobs to check. the asl should also check the places where there are children (and irony of fate, the park is next to a hospital...), not simply put out the sign "the parents are responsible for use etc.etc...." with which they take off from the problems.

vabbeh, little sad rash... next time before I let the little girl play, I'll try to "certify" the car, but if that's the case, there's only one ride I could let her go quietly. ..frown:

 

[PierArg]

Hello old,
I'm sorry for your daughter!

Your story impressed me... I can't imagine how the leg turned.

 

[gerod]

I'm sorry for what happened, but if I were you, I'd plant it a mess.
If I can give you a hand (for free) because these things don't have to happen.
What if it was worse? security must be protected and if someone is wrong, they must pay. I would report and move.

Now that you say things to me, I take and go to the mall to mess up: I noticed yesterday a ride (the bike on which you climb and start moving, little stuff) that has the broken head of the snout movement. I was thinking that a child could put his hand on it and get hurt.
Hi.

 

[Oldwarper]

It's not said I'm finally gonna let it go. for now time I want to dedicate it to my daughter and mother (she was also present... and more waits for a little brother...), who are well and calm down. We also have insurance. It is not said that I don't want to involve her and "scall her" against them.. .

I didn't have the idea of photographing the carousel (I'm still a little stunned). Almost before they do something, I'll jump...

 

[MBT]

old... I'm really sorry about the baby.
beyond physical damage, the worst thing must be the emotional impact of getting hurt with a fun "game" by definition!

Anyway, try to plant some mess! no one will laugh at the little one, but it will avoid repeating with another's leg.. .

 

[gerod]

It's not said I'm finally gonna let it go. for now time I want to dedicate it to my daughter and mother (she was also present... and more waits for a little brother...), who are well and calm down. We also have insurance. It is not said that I don't want to involve her and "scall her" against them.. .

I didn't have the idea of photographing the carousel (I'm still a little stunned). Almost before they do something, I'll jump...

Stay close to the baby, it's set.
but, as the others said, it freezes the situation and black failures.
Since you are a designer and know the security field, give us a critical eye ... often the experts do not know what they do, I put my hand on fire since I had many experiences. some are improvised.
A big wolf.

 

[Tarkus]

I'm sorry for your daughter, that on the rides there climbed to have fun and not to "try" the risk of danger.
I associate myself with the choir:
you mess up, report right and missing, not so much for economic compensation, but for sense of justice, and also for other children to whom it might happen.
Good luck for a quick healing of your daughter.

 

[radio]

I am very impressed by what happened to the puppy, I have a daughter (a little bit larger but for me always "small") and I confess that I have never paid great attention to the safety of the games of parks shopping centers etc., from today of course I will be more careful.
I'll give you my best wishes for a quick recovery.

Bye.

 

[re_solidworks]

I'm sorry, too. I'll get my daughter up after the inspection of the case and I have to say that the Italian playground would be scrapped at least 50%. there are bad laws that go, unfortunately, even at the expense of security.
who must control does not have the technical skills to do so. For example, urban traffickers cannot give the ok to a ride to open, but in Italy the law says it is fine. so many jousts do not conform to the en 13814 and however having been done before it is okay so (says the law) and it is good so a great caxxo I say!
I climbed on a traveling mini coaster to hold my daughter's arms because at no point in the track there was a minimum of safety envelope. Is that okay? Is it right that a ride so open?
I am an excavator in my work and I do not go to the expense of security at the cost of fighting and losing the project, I think that some economic trouble can pass, the dead or the wounded on the conscience change your life.
It doesn't have to happen.
returning to the subject, the real problem is that there are few controls and those that are carried out in 80% of the cases by people who do not have enough technical bases to perform these controls. What did the state do? introduced new rules that complicate life to those who work well (who wants to work in compliance with the rules) and do not touch even those who work wildly, not within the detail of these rules because I get vomit only to think about it.

old, good luck for your daughter, for a quick healing!

 

[Oldwarper]

I came back to the place, and those idiots had left the open carousel there without even the white-red cord. I "terrorized" a couple of parents, I did my beautiful photos and talked to the manager. I hope I made him fall under, this time, I threatened him that next time I would go back with the carabinieri or the asl.

Either way, I'm gonna take everything to accident insurance that's gonna have to pay me all the treatment. Maybe "drain" the antennas.
criminal complaints for injuries I don't want to do it, risk going through a poor ignorant security (why so much to change "training and professionalism" costs) that simply shoved the first 2 bolts he found in the holes, while his manager, usually, didn't see, didn't hear, didn't say...