gerod
Guest
Question: Are those two bolts that generated the whole thing? So there was an entanglement?
I don't agree that the "poor" doesn't blame. Maybe the blame is for those who asked him to do the job: I remember that the manager is always "responsible" as he should be vigilant. a little as it happens for the single text, if the worker causes damage but has not been informed about how to perform the operation that led to the dangerous situation, the fault (generally) will be of the employer as it did not format and informed.
I know that many times people of sound principles do not want to do "mal" (in the side sense) to others but it is true that what happened should not happen and who has guilt must be responsible. If then han left things as they were, worse still.
I don't agree that the "poor" doesn't blame. Maybe the blame is for those who asked him to do the job: I remember that the manager is always "responsible" as he should be vigilant. a little as it happens for the single text, if the worker causes damage but has not been informed about how to perform the operation that led to the dangerous situation, the fault (generally) will be of the employer as it did not format and informed.
I know that many times people of sound principles do not want to do "mal" (in the side sense) to others but it is true that what happened should not happen and who has guilt must be responsible. If then han left things as they were, worse still.
Oldwarper
Guest
Yes, the scarpine entangled in the bolt (the top or the lower, from the shock I do not remember, I only have a fixed image...) and the relative rotation of the platform compared to the fixed pin dragged the baby (which was perfectly sitting) wrapping the leg to the pin. I'll always be able to say that the baby didn't have to lift the foot, which I'm going to propose a training course for the use of tampered toys. . .
the repair made it or the municipality or one of the maintainers of the nearby sports club. However not competent persons.
I don't know exactly what the institution has the competence to report such an injury, we'll see in a few days if everything is okay with the steps to be taken.
I hope that with the second visit I made it happen.
the repair made it or the municipality or one of the maintainers of the nearby sports club. However not competent persons.
I don't know exactly what the institution has the competence to report such an injury, we'll see in a few days if everything is okay with the steps to be taken.
I hope that with the second visit I made it happen.
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listastudio
Guest
I'm so sorry about your little girl.
I also recommend that you proceed immediately to a lawyer not to be a chastigator but because it is the only system to prevent such accidents from happening to other children.
I was c.t.u. In a proceeding relating to a children's game that was in a shopping mall and in my case the judge has placed on the basis of the results of the expert the kidnapping on the whole national market of the york itself.
courage!
Palo
I also recommend that you proceed immediately to a lawyer not to be a chastigator but because it is the only system to prevent such accidents from happening to other children.
I was c.t.u. In a proceeding relating to a children's game that was in a shopping mall and in my case the judge has placed on the basis of the results of the expert the kidnapping on the whole national market of the york itself.
courage!
Palo
gerod
Guest
It's the commune that responds in these cases!
in the end is what they are.
then they will stand on others but also there is to see. who does these things must have experience (the only text says on the security that the client must verify the technical competence of those who perform the work) and must know what they do.
all rides must be tested and .... In short, the safety of children must be guaranteed at all costs.qui I found a summary but it will be to update something because I talked to a colleague who was part of the committee checking machines for playgrounds and tells me that who leads them must have an ability.
in the end is what they are.
then they will stand on others but also there is to see. who does these things must have experience (the only text says on the security that the client must verify the technical competence of those who perform the work) and must know what they do.
all rides must be tested and .... In short, the safety of children must be guaranteed at all costs.qui I found a summary but it will be to update something because I talked to a colleague who was part of the committee checking machines for playgrounds and tells me that who leads them must have an ability.
Fulvio Romano
Guest
As much as it can be, I'm close to you, too. The only thing I can tell you is that a five-year fracture is much better than one to twenty or thirty. especially on long bones. It is very likely that there is such a slight trace that in about ten years only a very experienced radiologist can find it.
I also associate myself with the speech of reporting, maybe without legal, unless you pay insurance. you do not go back, it is true, but at least you can avoid going forward in the same direction.
I just want to make two considerations. The first is that when I was a kid, I was always scared. If three or four children go up, they buy a crazy inertia. the second, it's a bit of time that I look carefully at the park rides where I bring my daughter and know the security aspects. every single ride is treated in a manner in every detail. it is possible even to scratch with the residues of the mold closure of plastic caps that cover the head (unbuilt) of the bolts. and it is evident that that mold closure has been removed of machine because you see the sign of the milling.
I also associate myself with the speech of reporting, maybe without legal, unless you pay insurance. you do not go back, it is true, but at least you can avoid going forward in the same direction.
I just want to make two considerations. The first is that when I was a kid, I was always scared. If three or four children go up, they buy a crazy inertia. the second, it's a bit of time that I look carefully at the park rides where I bring my daughter and know the security aspects. every single ride is treated in a manner in every detail. it is possible even to scratch with the residues of the mold closure of plastic caps that cover the head (unbuilt) of the bolts. and it is evident that that mold closure has been removed of machine because you see the sign of the milling.
Oldwarper
Guest
The insurance company said it's not going to be on the commune, since it's about any type of injury and it's not supposed to be a rival (although I knew this was on the client). and would not give me legal support for a civil or criminal complaint. the agent if on the one hand advised me to make a complaint, with good chance to have a further compensation, on the other he could not hide the fact that this would involve the whole family heavily and especially the little one, with visits, controversial, courts, lawyers and losses of time and serenity not negligible. He still suggested that I think about it and not be in a hurry, there are five years to make such a complaint.
Of course my goal would be to prevent other accidents, but at this point I could also opt for an informal exposure to the municipality and p/c to the urban vigiles (I don't know who else I could direct it, to the asl? to the ininail?) inviting them to a strict control of their parks, in order to avoid a criminal complaint for serious blowy injuries (and in this case no insurance will compensate or cover criminal sentences, only the civil party).
I'll already be 100% paid by my insurance and that's enough.
We'll see more serenity than we can do.
Of course my goal would be to prevent other accidents, but at this point I could also opt for an informal exposure to the municipality and p/c to the urban vigiles (I don't know who else I could direct it, to the asl? to the ininail?) inviting them to a strict control of their parks, in order to avoid a criminal complaint for serious blowy injuries (and in this case no insurance will compensate or cover criminal sentences, only the civil party).
I'll already be 100% paid by my insurance and that's enough.
We'll see more serenity than we can do.
Er Presidente
Guest
What kind of insurance do you have? only if you want to share.
gerod
Guest
Okay, but if you don't move straw (= if you don't do something) it closes with " fortunately it didn't mess us up."
think about it even if it's true that the baby is safe
Oldwarper
Guest
a domestic accident insurance, which pays regardless of the cause of accident, other than those caused by vehicles covered by rc car and at the workplace (if you work there).
It is not said that the "casino" doesn't cry to him, only that now I have the still baby, the mother who in months will have the little brother, of time losses and stress to run between offices and summons of commissions is not the case. I know, they count on that, but the risk (gross) run them. In theory I have 5 years to denounce them and since it is not a question (to be submitted within three months) but of a complaint (serious injuries), since the prognosis exceeds 20 days.
I think I'll make a letter to the commune. if I need help or "advices" you will be the first to know!!
Er Presidente
Guest
I was wondering why insurance often suspends compensation in case you start an alternative compensation.
Make sure you don't.
I think that the exposed to the prosecutor of the republic is the immediate action "feel" without starting any economic dispute (if counterproductive).
Hi.
Oldwarper
Guest
The insurance has confirmed to me that they pay regardless of my own initiative, or if I get another compensation, I would "cumulate" to the one already obtained from them. and for this they do not offer any assistance for any disputes that I would open to third parties.
Simold
Guest
First of all, I'm accusing myself in making a big wolf to the baby.
About all this,any week ago I appear in the office a character
who tells me he's planning a half sort of carousel about 9 meters high per luna-park.
his/her request was to put in good copy the scarabocchi that he carried behind and if
I found some holy soul to make him a working prototype.
We ignore the fact that more than a half of things still didn't understand how to do it and if they ever worked,
But the most disturbing thing is that I do mold design.
I told him maybe he was wrong because that wasn't my job.
He replied that talking to a friend of a friend of another friend had come out my name.
In the end, he needed only someone to copy his project.
I cut short and said I couldn't do what he asked me.
he, in response, even a little irritated, makes me "after complaining that there is a crisis and not working"
Now I wonder, where did I get wrong?
About all this,any week ago I appear in the office a character
who tells me he's planning a half sort of carousel about 9 meters high per luna-park.
his/her request was to put in good copy the scarabocchi that he carried behind and if
I found some holy soul to make him a working prototype.
We ignore the fact that more than a half of things still didn't understand how to do it and if they ever worked,
But the most disturbing thing is that I do mold design.
I told him maybe he was wrong because that wasn't my job.
He replied that talking to a friend of a friend of another friend had come out my name.
In the end, he needed only someone to copy his project.
I cut short and said I couldn't do what he asked me.
he, in response, even a little irritated, makes me "after complaining that there is a crisis and not working"
Now I wonder, where did I get wrong?
Er Presidente
Guest
re_solidworks
Guest
I'm always like this, if they have an idea they think they have the finished project and that some kid for 100 euros should put it in good shape.
Italian manufacturers no longer want to build games for Italy, 9 times out of 10 there are issues that last years.
ours is a difficult market because there is little money and often end customers do not pay manufacturers. Moreover there are few controls and what is checked is not what should be.
for example to install a carousel in germany there must be approval of a German tuv. the tuv controls the project, the carpenters prepared before being welded, welding and assists the tests.
this begins to be a serious control, made by prepared people and industry (a part of the tuv does only this) and it is sure that the structure is calculated and not collapsed after 5 minutes.
It is also checked that there is a decent risk analysis and this raises the level of security and eliminates the majority of the "lives" that everyone can commit.
we in Italy have a commission composed by the mayor, the commander of the city police, the firefighters, an engineer in charge (which may not be of the sector) and a doctor who decide in 2-3 hours if the carousel has the requirements to open.
years ago there was not even this and the rides that were crafted with certificates of dubious origin continue to turn for the fairs.
MBT
Guest
In fact. .
I saw a few rides. recently at a carnival I took a ride with my daughter on a sort of "bruco-mela"
I am not an expert on safety, in the most absolute way
But I didn't feel so "safe"!
then, for the love of heaven, maybe it was certified, tested and guaranteed by tuv, afnor, uni, din and ashes all put together but to me it gave a strange feeling of "latent danger". .
I saw a few rides. recently at a carnival I took a ride with my daughter on a sort of "bruco-mela"
I am not an expert on safety, in the most absolute way
But I didn't feel so "safe"!
then, for the love of heaven, maybe it was certified, tested and guaranteed by tuv, afnor, uni, din and ashes all put together but to me it gave a strange feeling of "latent danger". .
re_solidworks
Guest
It is not a sector to be criminalized by party taken, only, as in all sectors, there are many furbies and laws should put the sticks between the wheels to these furbi, in Italy it does a little the opposite.
there are around many safe products and on which you have invested hours of design and high costs for safety in case of anomalies, etc.
typically in our fixed parks (gardaland, mirabilandia, etnaland, rainbow magicland, mirage, etc.) have safe attractions and efficient maintenance teams.
there are around many safe products and on which you have invested hours of design and high costs for safety in case of anomalies, etc.
typically in our fixed parks (gardaland, mirabilandia, etnaland, rainbow magicland, mirage, etc.) have safe attractions and efficient maintenance teams.
Oldwarper
Guest
I agree with that. all fixed parks have an almost maniacal care for safety (see also the highest attendance and therefore, statistically, the exponential increase of the probability of foul event), the country rides much less (especially the very old ones and kept together with the scotch with sharp plates and mechanical organs sometimes cesoianti well in sight), where safety is often more 'demanent to the staff' of the lowest excuse
Oldwarper
Guest
I sent an email (with receipt) to the mayor and p/c to the city offices and their maintenance sector. If they ever answer...
gerod
Guest
They will answer, they will answer...