Camaleao
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What about the general situation, how do you see it this year? ?
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SHIREN
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Hi.What about the general situation, how do you see it this year? ?
It's ral 9017
to build moulding equipment
ideas ideas
commercial
designers
workshops
representations
loggistica and nu sack of money
as on the horizon the sky is dark
but who puts them money if you are not sure of an economic return
today the moulders work on the improvement of existing equipment
or change old molds
so commercials save and give the feeling of a new product
that the way things go
the rest is done in china
that until they did only the molds could go well
but together with the quote, they train you as well
and tell you first what will give you in exchange for the euro
Thank you very much
PierArg
Guest
Hello friend shirenHi.
...the rest is done in china
...
the underlying problem is that in Italy you do not want to understand the concept of "quality" of product.
I saw people throw molds made in china because they were of a colossal cag@ta.
I think that as long as there are people who think they're saving going to china we're hurt.
but where did c@xxo end the pride of made in italy??!?!?!?!? ! ?
p.s: sorry the vent but I have the p@lle full of hymns
SHIREN
Guest
hi pier.... .Hello friend shiren
the underlying problem is that in Italy you do not want to understand the concept of "quality" of product.
I saw people throw molds made in china because they were of a colossal cag@ta.
I think that as long as there are people who think they're saving going to china we're hurt.
but where did c@xxo end the pride of made in italy??!?!?!?!? ! ?
p.s: sorry the vent but I have the p@lle full of hymns
the discussion is much more complex and perhaps national pride has little to do with
we start by saying some truth
moldists for decades have done the bad and bad weather
Perhaps they have exaggerated on costs
there are companies that in front of markets a more "wide"
they have seen themselves forced to emigrate in china
on a final product
the large working hand affects 8-10-15 %
molds have always been out of every commercial loggic
this has also led to a revolution
in the sense that those who had human resource capital ideas to invest
in front of a crumble comm of the moldists pulled back
the possibility to put their ideas in place from another part of the world
It counts little if you throw away one mold makes another and it is always under a good 50%
I don't know if what I write is fair or understandable
But I assure you it's reality.
I invite everyone to intervene
even to understand something more
Thank you very much
Camaleao
Guest
work at 70% for fiat, the rest for germany.
Now everyone can participate in the offer of the projects without having a client code, just have the lowest price, so there are bosses put in fiat that take work not having even a pc and turning the work in Romanesa etc... This creates a chaos that is not indifferent... where is professionalism and quality?? It disappeared under the exact costs of the old moulders and under the low costs offered by modern commercials. ...
Now everyone can participate in the offer of the projects without having a client code, just have the lowest price, so there are bosses put in fiat that take work not having even a pc and turning the work in Romanesa etc... This creates a chaos that is not indifferent... where is professionalism and quality?? It disappeared under the exact costs of the old moulders and under the low costs offered by modern commercials. ...
PierArg
Guest
This explains why fiat does the machines of m...work at 70% for fiat, the rest for germany.
Now everyone can participate in the offer of the projects without having a client code, just have the lowest price, so there are bosses put in fiat that take work not having even a pc and turning the work in Romanesa etc... This creates a chaos that is not indifferent... where is professionalism and quality?? It disappeared under the exact costs of the old moulders and under the low costs offered by modern commercials. ...
but I say, there are other builders (for example mercedes) who before giving you a salesman comes to inspect everything!
the fault is of those who give contracts without seeing who is giving them.
There are customers who come to see the company for which I work and inspect even the desks... to see the order level (these customers are Germans...guard).
there are also some who want the guarantee that everything is made in italy.
PierArg
Guest
Excuse me, I disagree.
quality is paid.
Do you want a mold made well? with certain tolerances?
and then pour out the grain!
However it is also true that the moldists played us on a little bit.
the beautiful is to see that now Asians not only make you molds, but also the finished product.
Diefusions make you "rabbrividire" with grotesque porosity.
I'm sorry again, but I don't have any speeches.
quality is paid.
Do you want a mold made well? with certain tolerances?
and then pour out the grain!
However it is also true that the moldists played us on a little bit.
the beautiful is to see that now Asians not only make you molds, but also the finished product.
Diefusions make you "rabbrividire" with grotesque porosity.
I'm sorry again, but I don't have any speeches.
JUMPY_75
Guest
good day to all.... .
but given the theme greeting is out of place. I do not design molds but work for companies that buy printed material (exthetic and functional components of coffee machines) these gentlemen naturally print in wool despite having a parallel company in which a member makes of profession molds and printed details. It's crazy, but what comes from the cina practically gives it to you and an entrepreneur has to think about selling his product otherwise it closes shack so.........va in cina.
from my parts it prints a lot for the footwear industry and it seems that the historical builders of molds keep banged also on the wave of the grif as prada - tod's - black gardens etc etc. that advertise very much the made in italy and from what told me a moldista seems that they even want to integrate a cyp to the print of the sole to certify the product.
However, I think the wool is advantageous not only for the low cost of labor but because there are not all waste disposal records that we have. from those parts there is nothing and from what I know the galvanizations discharge into the open pits behind the companies. also in those areas comes all as raw material; As I live near the armchair frau I know several companies that in their wake build sofas, armchairs etc. one of these bought the metal frames in wool but a nice day at the port of genova their container was seized as it was radioactive. in practice they found that the metal with which they built those frames was derived from the disposal of the Russian arsenals and now they are in a sea of trouble.
we all "let us feel" the lack of work and we take the wool for these unjustifiable behaviors, but we must remember that we were the ones to go to search and above all we will have to make local mind when "we drink" of their work that today allows everyone to have for example a pc in the house at 300.00 euros (my first pc I paid 3 500 000 lire).
It's a very complex speech, but above all it's not like "shaking a switch" because if we did, I think our possessions would halve from today to tomorrow.
we hope that our rulers before thinking about their pockets think of our interests and allow us to return to the splendours of the 70s/80s.
but given the theme greeting is out of place. I do not design molds but work for companies that buy printed material (exthetic and functional components of coffee machines) these gentlemen naturally print in wool despite having a parallel company in which a member makes of profession molds and printed details. It's crazy, but what comes from the cina practically gives it to you and an entrepreneur has to think about selling his product otherwise it closes shack so.........va in cina.
from my parts it prints a lot for the footwear industry and it seems that the historical builders of molds keep banged also on the wave of the grif as prada - tod's - black gardens etc etc. that advertise very much the made in italy and from what told me a moldista seems that they even want to integrate a cyp to the print of the sole to certify the product.
However, I think the wool is advantageous not only for the low cost of labor but because there are not all waste disposal records that we have. from those parts there is nothing and from what I know the galvanizations discharge into the open pits behind the companies. also in those areas comes all as raw material; As I live near the armchair frau I know several companies that in their wake build sofas, armchairs etc. one of these bought the metal frames in wool but a nice day at the port of genova their container was seized as it was radioactive. in practice they found that the metal with which they built those frames was derived from the disposal of the Russian arsenals and now they are in a sea of trouble.
we all "let us feel" the lack of work and we take the wool for these unjustifiable behaviors, but we must remember that we were the ones to go to search and above all we will have to make local mind when "we drink" of their work that today allows everyone to have for example a pc in the house at 300.00 euros (my first pc I paid 3 500 000 lire).
It's a very complex speech, but above all it's not like "shaking a switch" because if we did, I think our possessions would halve from today to tomorrow.
we hope that our rulers before thinking about their pockets think of our interests and allow us to return to the splendours of the 70s/80s.
SHIREN
Guest
Hi pier:: :Excuse me, I disagree.
quality is paid.
Do you want a mold made well? with certain tolerances?
and then pour out the grain!
However it is also true that the moldists played us on a little bit.
the beautiful is to see that now Asians not only make you molds, but also the finished product.Diefusions make you "rabbrividire" with grotesque porosity.I'm sorry again, but I don't have any speeches.
Contrary to when you think
quality does not make the foundry or prog. or the operator or the production manager
the quality decides the commercial
what you ask for is given to you
in the sense that besides having already knocked down the costs of 75% you still want to save ports in the West qualitatively minor products
Thank you very much
PierArg
Guest
I would say more the shopping office... there are certain that when they hear china they light their eyes.Hi pier:: :
Contrary to when you think
quality does not make the foundry or prog. or the operator or the production manager
the quality decides the commercial
what you ask for is given to you
in the sense that besides having already knocked down the costs of 75% you still want to save ports in the West qualitatively minor products
Thank you very much
still fail to understand that "who spends less spends"
However, did you notice that when you ask for a quote from some vendor you also put the "product made in Italy"?
I had the opportunity to interface with plastic molding/suffing companies and all write the same thing.
SHIREN
Guest
It's all normal."product made in Italy"?
I have been able to interface with plastic molding/suffing companies and all write the same thing
.
if you buy
1 bottle container
1 plug container
if in Italy assemble everything
in the sense that you work hand and Italian industrial sites
becomes made in italy
Thank you very much
numero1
Guest
ah here to whom I owe pleasure.......http://www.corriere.it/cronache/11_...to_d3a14aa8-17df-11e0-9e84-00144f02aabc.shtmlI am not in the mold industry, but I confirm that here was a wasp when you came to know what you should not know.... .good day to all.... .
also in those areas comes all as raw material; As I live near the armchair frau I know several companies that in their wake build sofas, armchairs etc. one of these bought the metal frames in wool but a nice day at the port of genova their container was seized as it was radioactive. in practice they found that the metal with which they built those frames was derived from the disposal of the Russian arsenals and now they are in a sea of trouble.
we hope that our rulers before thinking about their pockets think of our interests and allow us to return to the splendours of the 70s/80s.
Hi.
Camaleao
Guest
I say my... I have been in the industry for 12 years.. Now doing the pm here torino is like working in a warehouse..anzi you earn less.. the motivation is the equipment paid little.. On the other hand if I take a job and I turn it by holding a percentage gain in one blow only the salary of 6 months... You know I'm telling you... I liked being a technician. but with this pay. Commercial pass. . I have an interview on Friday.