size and scale of texts

[Granato]

Hi, everybody, I'd like to ask if it's normal or not...

we imagine that we want to design a kitchen in meters in the model space and to write inside the text "kitchen".

I read that until the autocad 2007, in the "height" box of the text, it was necessary to insert such a value that brought in scale became of the height in mm that I turn on the printed design.
For example, if we wanted the text to be high in 3mm printing, and we wanted to print in 1:100 (1cm:100cm), we had to write 0.3 in the height field.

from the 2008 autocad they have implemented the annotative function to always maintain the same text height in print, if in the layout we create various windows at different scales.
In this second case, in the text height field, you must directly insert the value in mm that we want to have on the sheet in print, then if we want a 3mm high printed text, we must write 3.
In doing so, what happens though is that the text in print is always 3mm high in all representations in scale, but in the model space the text is so great to escape from the rectangle that represents the kitchen and therefore not only is bad to see but this text goes to overlap other parts of the drawing.. .

Is that normal? Am I wrong?

Thank you.

 

[Tristan]

if in the layouts you see the texts in the correct size you are not mistaken, overro may be that in the model you set a large scale (e.g. 1:1) and the automatic assignment of the scales to the annotative objects, and then see the huge texts as if you have to print in real size

 

[Granato]

Yes, in the model I have scale 1 to 1...
Please tell me how I have to do I'm freaking out. . .
(you know what I wrote above, I repeat the units of measurement and what I want to get in print)

p.s. who built autocad in reference to the stairs, was really bad! !

 

[Tristan]

first of all sets the tax variable to 0 or -1
then set the scale on model space at 1:100 e.g.
Maybe with a little patience resets the scales of the annotative objects.

 

[Granato]

i.e. the concept is to set a annotation scale such that in the model space the texts have an acceptable dimension?

 

[Tristan]

i.e. the concept is to set a annotation scale such that in the model space the texts have an acceptable dimension?

exactly! What's the point of setting a scale that will never be used?

 

[Granato]

I'm not clear yet.

How is the annotation scale read? i.e. relates the size of the texts on the model, with the size of the texts on the layout?

because I knew, if I wasn't mistaken, that meant another thing, type totmm tampati on paper correspond to the autocad unit (the same meaning of the print scale)

 

[Tristan]

...I knew, if I wasn't mistaken, that meant another thing, type totmm tampati on paper correspond to the autocad unit (the same meaning of the print scale)

That's right. see if this post is useful to you on my blog
http://ctrl-alt-cad.blogspot.it/2010/01/impostare-la-scala-di-stampa.html

 

[Granato]

Yes the print scales I understood...totmm printed correspond to the autocad unit.. .

what I wanted to understand is the interpretation of the annotation scales is equal...totmm printed correspond to the autocad unit, or does it indicate anything else?

 

[Legs]

In doing so, what happens though is that the text in print is always 3mm high in all representations in scale, but in the model space the text is so great to escape from the rectangle that represents the kitchen and therefore not only is bad to see but this text goes to overlap other parts of the drawing.. .
Is that normal? Am I wrong?

when working in the model space you have to remember to select the scale of representation to be sure to see correctly the writings in the right size.
if you are drawing your kitchen in m and want the final representation in 1:100 you must also select (bottom right) the work scale that is for autocad in the metric system that always thinks in mm: 1000mm=100m i.e. 10:1 (of course if it did not change the default scale values).
You will see that in this way the writings will be just size even when you work in the model space.
My personal advice is to assign the scale (or scales) of the planned representation and eliminate all others to the annotative quantities just to avoid too much confusion when you work on the drawing.

 

[Granato]

OK, 2 questions though:

1) As you say, the size of the texts is well visible both in the model and in the layout or can happen that in 1 of the two environments the writings do not see well on screen? (The important thing is that they see well in the press of course)

2) you said that the scale of annotations that I have to put in the model space, must be equal to that of printing.. but if I in the layout space I have to create more windows with different print scales, what annotation scale should I put in the model space between all the printing ones I have to adopt?

 

[Legs]

the point is that when you work in the model space you always have to remember to select, time by time, the right scale.
Let's admit you have a plant you're working on at 50 and details at 20.
every time you work on the plant you will need to remember to select the correct scale to 50 so that each element (written, quotas etc.) annotative will be inserted correctly. you will also see the writings in the right size.
then when you work on the details at 20 selections the scale at 20 and here you will have again the written done in the right way, with the right size. then depending on the display set every time you select a different scale you could see the writings disappear. If you have multiple scales set then you may see writings that inflate or reduce.
It's just a matter of taking your hand and always remember to select the right scale depending on the object you're working on. then if you need to have more scales for an object you can do it and will always be represented the chosen scale. look well the autocad help on display options.

 

[Granato]

the point is that when you work in the model space you always have to remember to select, time by time, the right scale.
Let's admit you have a plant you're working on at 50 and details at 20.
every time you work on the plant you will need to remember to select the correct scale to 50 so that each element (written, quotas etc.) annotative will be inserted correctly. you will also see the writings in the right size.
then when you work on the details at 20 selections the scale at 20 and here you will have again the written done in the right way, with the right size. then depending on the display set every time you select a different scale you could see the writings disappear. If you have multiple scales set then you may see writings that inflate or reduce.
It's just a matter of taking your hand and always remember to select the right scale depending on the object you're working on. then if you need to have more scales for an object you can do it and will always be represented the chosen scale. look well the autocad help on display options.

ok but I wanted to understand one thing: set the annotation scale with the button in the model space, it only serves and exclusively for a convenience of the designer, that is to view to video the writings that are readable and the right size, right?
because the important thing, on the other hand, is to assign the annotative objects the annotation scales equal to that of the press to ensure that, for example, the height of the texts remains always equal to the varying of the print scale...just?

what I just said maybe, row if you print from layout...while you break from pattern then it is good that the writings do not have a scale of annotation "uppergiù pressappoco" but a precise scale that gives the precise size for the press. Do I understand?

 

[Granato]

I mean, don't consider the message above, I try to explain myself here better, tell me if I understand correctly:

set the exact annotation scale in the model space has a double utility, i.e. displaying the appropriate sized writings on video compared to the drawing and printing the desired height writings if you want to print from the model itself;

while if the purpose is to print from layout, set the annotation scale in the model space has only the utility of displaying to video the writings with adequate size compared to the drawing, because in order to get the desired height of the text in print, it will be another function to do as "father", that is to assign the scale of annotations to the annotative objects so that it is equal to the scale assigned to the windows created in the layout.

Right? Thank you.

 

[Legs]

Yes. I think you understand.
However, you can set the display of the current scale only in the model space.
in practice if you have objects drawn in various scales and quoted with the relative annotative quotas, here is that by selecting a scale then only the quotas of that scale will remain visible. However, if you want, you can always let all odds on regardless of the scale. are the buttons on the bottom right next to the scale that allow you.
There is also a button that allows you to add to all visible annotative objects, in a single stroke, the scale of your interest. I usually never use it because you risk adding stairs even where you don't need it.
However, it is rare to associate more than one scale with their graphic objects.
However after a while using the annotative quotas it becomes really difficult to go back. I'm really very useful. then use only one or two styles to cover all your needs. You don't need the odds for the scale at 10, 20 to 50, 100 etc.