goccia
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an aerospace engineer can design static structures such as industrial and similar sheds, support structures, tensostructures,.. ?
or is a civil engineer's affair?
or is a civil engineer's affair?
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TETRASTORE
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Unless there are more recent provisions, the various sectors identify a division of powers, but are not binding.
in theory you could do anything as long as you have the skills; For example, if you need to design a wind tunnel for aerodynamic tests on helicopters or drones, you have the broadest freedom on this by extending your work as well as the technical part also to the municipal and catastral document.
different is the discourse if you want to design the static structures mentioned by you, for which specific competences are required and for which the signature assumes responsibility both in civil and criminal matters unless you, while not having the skills, prepare the signature on a project prepared by other professionals experts in the field who enjoy your full confidence.
in theory you could do anything as long as you have the skills; For example, if you need to design a wind tunnel for aerodynamic tests on helicopters or drones, you have the broadest freedom on this by extending your work as well as the technical part also to the municipal and catastral document.
different is the discourse if you want to design the static structures mentioned by you, for which specific competences are required and for which the signature assumes responsibility both in civil and criminal matters unless you, while not having the skills, prepare the signature on a project prepared by other professionals experts in the field who enjoy your full confidence.
goccia
Guest
Let us assume that things do to her who knows how to do them and has skills, but the question was to understand whether specialist studies confer these skills.
as the phrase of a teacher translates: if you can design aircraft structures you can design any other structure?
I thought he meant that.
as the phrase of a teacher translates: if you can design aircraft structures you can design any other structure?
I thought he meant that.
TETRASTORE
Guest
I think that specialist studies certainly give you a solid basic approach that you can then use and implement with specific insights for the sector you are interested in.
gerod
Guest
If you have an old degree, you can do what you want because you were enrolled in the 3 sections of the order (mah!).
If you're on the new order, you'll be able to sign up for the industrial section and so you can't sign the projects but you'll surely know how to make the calculations. Unfortunately, or fortunately, it is so.
If you're on the new order, you'll be able to sign up for the industrial section and so you can't sign the projects but you'll surely know how to make the calculations. Unfortunately, or fortunately, it is so.
Cristallo
Guest
I looked at the aerospace degree program, and known (of course) of the macroscopic differences with that in civil ing.
e.g. construction sciences, construction technology, geotechnical and related structures, reinforced concrete structures. . .
I think it is difficult for an aerospace to reason with reinforced concrete, foundation poles, earthquake stresses, soil instability etc.
one deals with things that operate from heaven up, the other of things that (hopefully) will never get away from the ground... You draw the conclusions.
then, as gerod says, an old electrical order can legally sign a skyscraper.
As long as he takes his criminal responsibility.
e.g. construction sciences, construction technology, geotechnical and related structures, reinforced concrete structures. . .
I think it is difficult for an aerospace to reason with reinforced concrete, foundation poles, earthquake stresses, soil instability etc.
one deals with things that operate from heaven up, the other of things that (hopefully) will never get away from the ground... You draw the conclusions.
then, as gerod says, an old electrical order can legally sign a skyscraper.
As long as he takes his criminal responsibility.
Mattymecc
Guest
Although I still frequent the superiors in the hours of "sciences and technologies applied" (a sort of orientation) had spoken of professional albi: despite the reform of the new order divides the albo into three sections, it does not bind the professional to sign afferent things exclusively to the field of registration, but if I do not remember badly a judgment of administrative justice, it specified that the reform carried out merely to "a division of the skills most characterizing the profession". and then remains in force the old Royal Decree establishing the profession of engineer (without distinction in sectors).
It is logical that we should not go against professional ethics and all that is signed we must assume responsibility.
It is logical that we should not go against professional ethics and all that is signed we must assume responsibility.
gerod
Guest
in the past more or less all had the examination of science of buildings.
Not today.
So that's what I said.
Of course, the inscription at the register allows you to do certain things, but you also have to pass the state exam for that section.@mattymecc: Do you have a reference to the sentence?
Not today.
So that's what I said.
Of course, the inscription at the register allows you to do certain things, but you also have to pass the state exam for that section.@mattymecc: Do you have a reference to the sentence?
Fulvio Romano
Guest
I'm an old order, I'm a mechanic, and I know how a loft is calculated. And I know so well that I wouldn't be able to sign a solo project because I know my limits very well.
Mattymecc
Guest
judgment 868/2012 Council of State, where professional orders had contested dpr 328 (establishing the new order). I take a part of it (from a discussion on another forum):
"the general acclarate maintaining such skills also allows to consider the alleged omission unusable
concerning “professional activities reserved to members of the engineering department, engineering sector
industrial and information engineering” (regarding “activity in the field of civil, building and environmental planning”), having the contested regulation carried out, as to the permitted professional activities, a substantial
referral to the order in force, then to a purely exemplary list of the aforementioned activities"
and another:
"the listing, carried out in art. 46 of the decree, of the activities attributed to the members of the different sectors of the sections a and b of the order of the engineers, has the sole purpose of proceeding to such a breakdown, identifying those most characterizing the profession, remaining unchanged the overall picture of the activities exercising within the scope of the profession. "
"the general acclarate maintaining such skills also allows to consider the alleged omission unusable
concerning “professional activities reserved to members of the engineering department, engineering sector
industrial and information engineering” (regarding “activity in the field of civil, building and environmental planning”), having the contested regulation carried out, as to the permitted professional activities, a substantial
referral to the order in force, then to a purely exemplary list of the aforementioned activities"
and another:
"the listing, carried out in art. 46 of the decree, of the activities attributed to the members of the different sectors of the sections a and b of the order of the engineers, has the sole purpose of proceeding to such a breakdown, identifying those most characterizing the profession, remaining unchanged the overall picture of the activities exercising within the scope of the profession. "