solid geometries of other families

[Stefano.bp]

Good morning to all, I tried to find this information on the forum but I couldn't.
My question is this: is it possible to take a geometry from a family to be able to use it in a new one I am creating?
In particular I would like to use door handles that are included in a family of doors, to use them in the family of doors that I am creating.
the fact is that the handle is not geometry of the family but an instance of handle created inside the door handle...and I the family of the handle can not find it. . .
I hope I didn't ask a stupid question.
Thank you all! !

 

[vanni31b]

excuse stefano,the most immediate thing that comes to mind is to do "paste copy" with the family window created in the background and the new one above ........

 

[Stefano.bp]

I think you're a big man... and I'm an asshole!! only that did not propose the copy in the drop-down menu..for now ok!! Thank you.

 

[gfrank]

...the fact is that the handle is not the geometry of the family but an instance of handle created inside the door handle...and I the family of the handle can't find it. . .
...
Thank you all! !

probably the handle is a nested family in the family of the door...
it is necessary to make an edit on the "family" of the handle, save it with a name.
then amounts it in the new door, as nested family

 

[Stefano.bp]

I imported the handles into my family of doors, but the problem I encounter is as follows: while for the external handle and for the extrusion of the lock I can control its position and size to "follow" the thickness of the panel, I can not control the positioning of the internal handle to make sure that it is always rested on the inner surface of the door panel.
I tried to bind the position at the end of the extrusion lock and it does not work, I tried to lock the quota between handle and internal surface of the panel and it does not work. I don't know what fish you want, some of you have a parameter in mind that might work.
How can I attach an image?
If you explain how to do it, I can also send the family if someone wants to take a look at it....I am very disappointed was the last thing I had to insert! ! !

 

[Stefano.bp]

Hello everyone, I solved my problem by erasing the geometries (hands) imported from another family and redesigning them in toto referring to the reference line of the oscillating panel and parametrating depth of the extrusions according to that reference line (door swing).

the handles I had imported with a copy and paste lay on a line of reference to them, only that dissociating them from this their reference caused abnormal behavior on my geometries.

a thank you for the answers and availability. ..when you are inexperienced you think you save a little time trying to reuse things already done but in most cases I can never!!

 

[Stefano.bp]

...like not said!! I can't follow the inside handle the thickness of the door panel.
Does anyone explain how to post an image in case someone has time to give me advice?

 

[gfrank]

mail the family of the door (complete of handle), which we see... .

 

[Stefano.bp]

Good evening, I attach the family door created.
as it works in everything I designed except for the internal handle that does not move by setting a panel thickness other than the one currently set.
I thank you in advance for any advice and for any further suggestions or criticism of the work I have done.
Good evening.

 

[gfrank]

I took a look at your family.
the parameter that creates problems is "thick lock" you have to remove it, and everything works.
if you want to parameterize the location of the lock on the door, you must remove "points" of lock, and assign parameters of length ( x and y) from the lock to the door panel:
- one in the view of the plant
- one in the prospectus view
being 3 extrusions, the handles must be blocked (blocked rates), in the above mode Medism, compared to the lock

n.b. door panel thicknesses (and lock) are of fixed size. it is not necessary to be transformed into length parameters (locked/locked): Just block the quota.

in general, the creation of a solid (extrusion) even if it is not listed, the size remains the one defined in the family.
if you want to change the size, there are his methods:
1) with specific parameters (length) acting on the size of the solid
2) insert "stops/blocks" that "hit" some parts of the solid compared to others, I take into account that the primary "wine" is reported to the main plans.
in your case, the thickness of the panel (of the door), does not serve, as the size is "fixed".
If you want to change the thickness of the panel, you must assign to the same a length parameter (clearly not blocked). attention that to the varying of the parameter, the same must also manage the "frame pits" (which seem to me not exist in your family).
subsequently, to adjust the width of the lock to the thickness of the door, it is sufficient (in the editing phase of the solid lock) to lock the line of the external lock to the panel, with the edge of the panel itself, with a blocked quota (luchettata). the parameter must be inserted from both sides of the panel.
to vary the thickness of the panel, the "thickness" of the lock is also adjusted.

recapitulating, a solid (family), in the "space" of revit, always maintains the same size, even if "moved", provided that a part of it is not "connected" to references (plans or other objects) or that to the same are assigned parameters that vary the size chained on the object itself.

 

[Stefano.bp]

Good evening, thank you for the advice I will experience them as soon as possible.
But at the moment I think that the parameter thickness lock I need to keep it wider (5mm per part) than the thickness of the door panel (parameter thickness) which is a taxable parameter of my family, without that parameter if I imposed a different thickness of the panel the extrusion lock remains inside the panel.
As for the handles I tried to quote them from the lock, but I don't think a lock is displayed on a 0-quota or am I saying a buoyat?

 

[lance]

I also faced a similar problem and solved it with more extensive use of nests.
I explain.family panel in which to nest the family handle, all nested in turn inside the family door.
the management of the various parameters controls it through the connection between parameters of the various families.
apparently looks like a longer procedure but get 3 advantages:
1-speak the complexity of the family in multiple parts and you are easier to manage the various components. In this way you can always bind the geometries to the reference plans.
binding geometries between them, although feasible, often leads to abnormal behaviour of families.
2-the software itself handles things better.I'm not a technician to explain you effectively because but the experience and information found around confirm this theory widely.
3-with the time you find yourself with a large library of objects that you can assemble as you prefer in very fast times.

ps:to maintain the possibility to open and close the door, then to place the family on a passing floor for the reference line, the family panel must be based on a work plan.



I hope I've been helping you somehow...
Hi.

 

[gfrank]

@ steak
padlocking with a locked quota (5 mm) the lock to the panel, as I told you (in edit phase) from both sides of the door, the thickness of the lock automatically adjusts to the thickness of the panel

@lance
true, but requires a good knowledge of the modeling of families.
normal use the method you described.

p.s. are you "also" the moderator in the other forum?

 

[Stefano.bp]

good evening, I had already tried to quote the thickness of the extrusion lock compared to the extrusion of the panel, but when I go to vary the parameter thickness This is modified on the side of the reference line by losing the alignment of the door bar on the frame housed in the wall...if you can try it, I swear it behaves like this, I can't understand and I'm working without result.
in practice the parameter thickness frame must determine a thickening of the reference line side panel, while the parameter thickness must determine a thickening of the panel in the incanned area to width.
I'm sorry, and thank you for now.

@lance, thanks to the suggestions, as soon as possible I will try to put into practice this type of approach to the creation of families, only I thought I had undertaken a simpler path; And in the case of my family of doors, it didn't even seem like such a complicated family.

I read all the things I found in the manuals regarding the creation of doors and lines of reference but sincerely are proposed very trivial cases, which I have not much help.

 

[gfrank]

........., I had already tried to quote the thickness of the extrusion lock compared to the extrusion of the panel, but when I go to vary the parameter thickness This is modified on the side of the reference line by losing the alignment of the door bar on the frame housed in the wall...if you can try it, I swear it behaves like this, I can't understand and I'm working without result.
in practice the parameter thickness frame must determine a thickening of the reference line side panel, while the parameter thickness must determine a thickening of the panel in the incanned area to width.
I'm sorry, and thank you for now.
......

You don't have to apologize for anything.
I took a quick look at the door without further verification on other parameters. I only tried to change the opening angle, and I found that everything worked by removing the thickness parameter of the lock.
Now I'm a little busy with work, as soon as I have time better control.
as other advice, if there are lines (better to use the planes) of reference equidistant from the edges of solids, in addition to the parameter of length (thickness) insert also a fairness (set the quota and then click on the eq writing) that allows to better manage the quotas, i.e. the variation of the quota parameter, is distributed exactly half on both sides.
if the "table" of the door and the lock are built on an equidistant reference line/plane (from the edges), insert together with the two parameters of "thickness" the relative equidities from that line/floor.

of course to try, if such parameters do not create conflicts with others (usually the sw signals a super abundance of constraints)

 

[Stefano.bp]

ok. on provo!
grazie per ora.