stack design molds for rubber

[Francesco49]

I am a designer for injection moulds ( gum), graduated as a mechatronic with 96/100, and I am 21 years old.
I create this discussion to know from more experienced people of me, how much I earn a designer more or less like me, I have an experience of 3 years, because I started with the dual apprenticeship (work school) followed with the classical apprenticeship that ends shortly, in these 3 years I have done a lot of experience, and I have learned many things, many still have to learn them, but I manage in solitary the office of design of the company in which I work
I obviously don't have the experience of a person who's been doing this job for 20 years, counting that I've been working for 3, but I'm sure I'm good.
I wanted to know a person in my position who soon receives the promotion from apprenticeship to indefinite, how dare I ask for net pay? I don't know anyone to confront me with.
Thank you for reading everything, I wait for an answer ..

 

[Vittorio]

Hi.
Will you definitely be under a metalmechanical contract?
there are levels and every level has minimum wages, for the maximums are usually personal negotiations and enters into play your professionalism and your indispensableness.
Does it seem to me that the company is not very big?
What level are you or are you?
I do not doubt that you are good, but it is also true that in 3 years of activity in that company you have cost in terms of learning and if you are not a rare pearl.. You'll have made some mistakes by causing damage.
I think there's no one who can give you directions oneste on the salary to be asked.
If you want to earn money, get rid of collective contracts, you have to put yourself in the game and be a free professional.

 

[Francesco49]

Hello thank you for the answer, you are now under a metalmechanical co-tract, professional apprenticeship employed liv. 3, I do not know whether it is good or not, I can not tell you however what level I will be at the end of the apprenticeship and at the beginning of the indefinite.
the company is small we are in 14 employees.
I've done too much damage to them, as it's normal, if I didn't do any damage, it means I didn't do anything, right? ..
However I thank you again for the answer, I hoped I could compare with someone who had said my own path and could tell me how much he earned or earned at my level, so that I could have an idea and if I get paid more or less I know how much a 21-year-old designer earns without underestimate or overestimate me.

 

[falonef]

theoretically you should scale at least one level, so from 3 to 4.

I don't know what it means, but levels and pay are specific to companies

 

[Vittorio]

It means I didn't do anything, right? ..

bhe.. is not a rule that those who work have the right to wrong .
depends on the mistakes.. if they are repetitive is severe
I hope someone in your condition will answer you. underlined in a manner honesty

 

[Francesco49]

bhe.. is not a rule that those who work have the right to wrong .
depends on the mistakes.. if they are repetitive is severe
I hope someone in your condition will answer you. underlined in a manner honesty

Of course, we say that every mistake is a lesson, we all know the saying.
However I thank you again for your time, and I hope they will answer me in an honest way, always if there will be someone to do so.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

contracts frame and set the minimum wage according to job and not to skill.
if you are framed as a junior designer you should not engineer and/or project manager; If you do this the increase of the pay is to be discussed specifically with the employer because it exempts from the contractual framework that should be adjusted.
the fact of being still in apprenticeship and performing all those tasks as a senior figure should not be feasible.

 

[Fabietto]

Hi, I can take my example. .
in '98 I had about three years of work experience as a mold designer, in a company similar to yours, where I was pre-designed, project, distinct, etc.
with about 200 h/month I brought home about 1.6 million liras, net.
re-evaluated today, with the site istat re-evaluation, are about 1.350€.

I don't know if they were many, or few, if they exploited me, or if they overpaid me. It was enough for me at the time. .
and even today, probably, according to my condition of the time.

 

[Francesco49]

contracts frame and set the minimum wage according to job and not to skill.
if you are framed as a junior designer you should not engineer and/or project manager; If you do this the increase of the pay is to be discussed specifically with the employer because it exempts from the contractual framework that should be adjusted.
the fact of being still in apprenticeship and performing all those tasks as a senior figure should not be feasible.

thank you for the answer; I'm not an executive, but I'm the responsibility of the technical office being the only one, and I have to run the priorities of the workshop.

 

[Francesco49]

Hi, I can take my example. .
in '98 I had about three years of work experience as a mold designer, in a company similar to yours, where I was pre-designed, project, distinct, etc.
with about 200 h/month I brought home about 1.6 million liras, net.
re-evaluated today, with the site istat re-evaluation, are about 1.350€.

I don't know if they were many, or few, if they exploited me, or if they overpaid me. It was enough for me at the time. .

hello I really thank you for the answer, it is what I perceive in apprenticeship ( euro plus less ) but without extraordinary

 

[Stan9411]

let me understand well, do real design, managing suppliers, project management with customer and supervision workshop activity? with 3 years of experience?
I think so.. too .. the company will be really small, maybe managed few and simple projects a year.

if it is not, but you manage complex and high-value projects, then let me say that it is not ethical to give you these responsibilities in apprenticeship regime, they exploited you because you are obviously good.
I would see how it goes with the passage to the fixed contract, but if they don't put on the plate a little extra money, I would look peacefully around.
If your description is true, you are practically an indispensable figure. If you say what they do? At equal responsibility you can take a lot more than 1300 euros, in other realities .. or little more but for many less responsibility, in a more structured company.

 

[Francesco49]

It is true, my owner is a designer, I learned everything from him, if I dismiss myself I am without a designer so all the tasks covered by me (the ones mentioned above) are discovered.
project management with the client not entirely, the initial phase of discussion with the customer takes care of the boss, but started the job I am responsible and I manage.
We do not manage a few molds we have an average of 4/5 molds per month, and sometimes I have to make projects for car seals (my favorites ), so sometimes the projects are quite ostic, but we vary a lot, but all automotiv sector.

 

[Meteor02]

21 years 3 years of experience with extraordinary tasks I would say that according to what you said you could bet on 1500 euros but before making the shot (the ral is sup to 30k) make sure to be indispensable, to certain figures some owners prefer to let go.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

First observation: you do not know if you are talking about 1350€ gross or net.
Second observation: As has already been pointed out, all those tasks do not apply to the figure of the apprenticeship.
third observation: with all those skills you can also ask for 1800€ net that for the holder is fat that cola.
Fourth observation: Four years ago, before you got there, you wonder how they brought home the loaf.

However also considering that the work that takes place is always fluid and you can also do things that exult from the framing, it is not that you can shoot random figures like the craft market and then bargain; ccnl define minimums according to tasks (among other things the third level no longer exists in metalmechanical ccnl), these are not guidelines but defined parameters. if you want to have a contractual basis on which to advance requests you need to know the type of contract and to read and/or to be explained the tasks carried out, from here to make your own assessments in the context in which you are located; grip the ccnl using it inflexible may not be a good strategy as it may not be to shoot a random figure, less than the minimum indicated by the ccnl, and weep the dead back.

 

[Francesco49]

does not make me answer directly, my message is in response to massivonweizen.
1) we always talked about nects
2) this phrase has already repeated several times, if you do not believe me it is not obliged, I have no reason to lie to brag. .
3) would be the ideal I had in mind.
4) the company was acquired 3 years ago by my owner who, as already said, was a designer, so at the beginning of my journey everything I do was him, now he has delegated everything to me and for 1 year that I do the tasks mentioned before.
I didn't want to have randomly fired numbers, like a supernalotto, I just wanted to know if there are designers of my age and what they took just to compare me. .
and I repeat I don't want to brag, even because I'm no one.
I just wanted to have an opinion as I said before, by more experienced people than me.
thank you anyway for your reply comunque

 

[rinato]

to understand: Do you also follow the cam part from pc or that is loaded to someone else or do the individual operators on the car?
because, if I can also all the cam, for 4-5 molds/month, the workload seems really excessive or subpaid.

 

[Francesco49]

no cam no, the tool paths manage entirely the millers

 

[wert]

I understand that a young man should build a future and try to maximize his skills and responsibilities, so pay becomes the only parameter to be taken into account. but a job should also take into account other aspects, such as the working environment (reports with holder, colleagues, etc...), the type of product on which you are called to operate, if you are available modern and efficient tools, plus a whole series of other things that can play in favor (size, individual prizes, welfare, etc...). from what I've read, work seems to like you a lot and bear a great number of extraordinary hours. said that, I believe that with 3 years of experience and your school background, your net salary (without overtime) cannot exceed 1600 euros per month... that with the 30 hours of extraordinary per month, will take you to touch the 2000 euros per month. what I can recommend is not to accept (at least for a first period) a lump sum including overtime. after a couple of years, if your work meets expectations, you can ask for the flatter, adding something extra. even if I don't know your interlocutor, know that no entrepreneur likes to have in front of one who feels indispensable, so if you like the place where you are, don't play the blackmail card to make salary rise.

 

[Francesco49]

I understand that a young man should build a future and try to maximize his skills and responsibilities, so pay becomes the only parameter to be taken into account. but a job should also take into account other aspects, such as the working environment (reports with holder, colleagues, etc...), the type of product on which you are called to operate, if you are available modern and efficient tools, plus a whole series of other things that can play in favor (size, individual prizes, welfare, etc...). from what I've read, work seems to like you a lot and bear a great number of extraordinary hours. said that, I believe that with 3 years of experience and your school background, your net salary (without overtime) cannot exceed 1600 euros per month... that with the 30 hours of extraordinary per month, will take you to touch the 2000 euros per month. what I can recommend is not to accept (at least for a first period) a lump sum including overtime. after a couple of years, if your work meets expectations, you can ask for the flatter, adding something extra. even if I don't know your interlocutor, know that no entrepreneur likes to have in front of one who feels indispensable, so if you like the place where you are, don't play the blackmail card to make salary rise.

Thanks, really nice message.. I really enjoyed it
I think like you, I will continue on the way of personal baggage, I accept the salary decided by the boss and I will continue to learn.
Thanks again

 

[wert]

Thanks, really nice message.. I really enjoyed it
I think like you, I will continue on the way of personal baggage, I accept the salary decided by the boss and I will continue to learn.
Thanks again

but have you already received a proposal?