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Good morning, it will be a discussion already faced several times. I've tried to look but in recent years I don't feel like I've read such a topic.

I have a fairly general question, you when you look for/change jobs, look for dynamism?

In this period I am considering changing work, I am currently in apprenticeship as a mechanical designer with final qualification at the end of the apprenticeship as a designer. I found myself several times in the condition of rejecting offers, even interesting (from the economic point of view, various benefits etc.) because they were very static environments, a sort of assembly chain of "projectors/cadists".

yesterday I discussed with a girl from an interinal agency where according to her staticness did not preclude professional growth etc. and so far I can also agree, but it would be a much slower growth since everyone has very rigid predetermined tasks. In fact, I'm beginning to think I'm the problem, my desire to know as much as possible, the hunger for knowledge, is it perhaps clouding my mind? the desire to know everything as soon as possible is something that has always attracted me and only to the idea that I cannot put my nose in certain things (even simply listening to the greatest of me) upsets me a lot.

So my real doubt is: I do well to look for dynamic jobs, where you can see as many things as possible, to discover as much as possible our world (considering that it is still what I want) or should I please do my homework and go home?

p.s.: to make you understand my problem, I refused a proposal of 27k gross annual for this reason, which would be much more than the 21k I take now.
 
What do you mean by very static environments?
in every company, after some time your growth will slow down, until almost stop.
this because, usually, companies have their product, you specialize on that but, once I learned everything, it is not that you can space on other sectors.
 
Hi, I've always thought of it as you and sincerely I don't know if I did well or bad, I certainly know that if you look for dynamism you find it in small places, where there are many things that you could find "brutte", my penultimate job was very small I was the only mechanical designer in the office with two owners, and two other employees as editor and employee to machine tools.
I've seen a lot of things I've learned fast enough (for force of things, anyway I was already coming with a lot of experience), but I found myself very much but very badly in everything else. Today I work in a great reality, perhaps as you are more static, but fortunately there are also opportunities for growth (it always depends on place to place, I was lucky and where I am while being great there are many possibilities of growth, currently not project anymore but I manage the software cad and plm). First of all you have to consider the economic factor, I think you have hurt not to accept that offer. If you didn't like things then you could have looked for another place but starting with that figure.
the idea that I did, it is not said that it is right, is that in Italy it is so, if you want to grow quickly for what you go abroad, (except for a few highly technological realities made by young Italian stars-ups).
 
pyrokar22 said:
Good morning, it will be a discussion already faced several times. I've tried to look but in recent years I don't feel like I've read such a topic.

I have a fairly general question, you when you look for/change jobs, look for dynamism?

In this period I am considering changing work, I am currently in apprenticeship as a mechanical designer with final qualification at the end of the apprenticeship as a designer. I found myself several times in the condition of rejecting offers, even interesting (from the economic point of view, various benefits etc.) because they were very static environments, a sort of assembly chain of "projectors/cadists".

yesterday I discussed with a girl from an interinal agency where according to her staticness did not preclude professional growth etc. and so far I can also agree, but it would be a much slower growth since everyone has very rigid predetermined tasks. In fact, I'm beginning to think I'm the problem, my desire to know as much as possible, the hunger for knowledge, is it perhaps clouding my mind? the desire to know everything as soon as possible is something that has always attracted me and only to the idea that I cannot put my nose in certain things (even simply listening to the greatest of me) upsets me a lot.

So my real doubt is: I do well to look for dynamic jobs, where you can see as many things as possible, to discover as much as possible our world (considering that it is still what I want) or should I please do my homework and go home?

p.s.: to make you understand my problem, I refused a proposal of 27k gross annual for this reason, which would be much more than the 21k I take now.
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I guess you're very young, because you're an apprentice. If you want to learn a lot in general the good way is to change your company often, but then after 3 -4 changes in as many years the next one that you should hire will not take you very seriously! :

the work of ut by force of things is a bit static but if then become good, i.e. steps from the state of designer to that of designer and then project leader can become very dynamic, because when you are promoted and you become responsible, the time is passed to interface with the customers, with the suppliers, with the components of the team designers, with the electrical design, with the logistic, do programming, etc.

depends a little on your skills and a little on the company: The greater and the more you will spend time reaching locations where you do not get bored (you also understand the difference between becoming head office when the office is 4 designers or 100).

If you are awake and entertaining as you say (but be careful that those who praise themselves are cheating) your superiors will certainly not fail to notice you and rely on assignments of responsibility.
 
TECNOMODEL said:
What do you mean by very static environments?
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I mean reality where they have a standard product, where the only "design" is to make "-15" on the width. where even the tables, are always the same where two sizes change.
marcok625 said:
I think you hurt not to accept that offer
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where I am now, I learn so much and see so many different things. I refused mainly for fear of losing this and spend 8 hours in a chair doing repetitive things.
cacciatorino said:
If you are awake and entertaining as you say (but be careful that those who praise themselves are cheating) your superiors will certainly not fail to notice you and rely on assignments of responsibility.
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I agree with everyone, I only share this bit because I wanted to reiterate that I don't think I can learn quickly, but that I throw myself in, then maybe I'll double what my colleague puts on.

I am young, I have all the time in the world, but I am trying to understand the thought of the greatest birds well or badly (then I will do my ahahah's head anyway)
 
pyrokar22 said:
where I am now, I learn so much and see so many different things. I refused mainly for fear of losing this and spend 8 hours in a chair doing repetitive things.
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if you like a lot where you are, but the market value you more than you take them, first of all you ask for an increase based on your demonstrable skills and future goals, then what comes from.
 
marcok625 said:
if you like a lot where you are, but the market value you more than you take them, first of all you ask for an increase based on your demonstrable skills and future goals, then what comes from.
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I also thought about this, but my question was not purely from the economic/monetary point of view. I was just curious if this dynamicity that I am actually justified or just my mental parasite
 
marcok625 said:
if you like a lot where you are, but the market value you more than you take them, first of all you ask for an increase based on your demonstrable skills and future goals, then what comes from.
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If I'm not mistaken with the apprentice, you can't ask for extra than what is defined by the ccnl.
 
cacciatorino said:
If I'm not mistaken with the apprentice, you can't ask for extra than what is defined by the ccnl.
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I think the only solution is to make you scale/salt (depending on the reference ccnl) level before the set date. (I have a shot of liv at 24th month and another at 48th, with final output at 3 level) <--- ccnl trade
 
pyrokar22 said:
I also thought about this, but my question was not purely from the economic/monetary point of view. I was just curious if this dynamicity that I am actually justified or just my mental parasite
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to what I understand, it would take a place in a research and development office in the mechatronic field, but there are many people with really very high skills trying to get there.
I to satisfy my desire to learn new things, not only do I always try to find new solutions in my business, but in the free time that I have, unfortunately not much, I study the other things of my interest, as electronics and programming languages.
I have noticed that if I put on some objectives, of the projects actually feasible, and I focus on reaching the goal, I can learn many things from self-taught, with the help of the internet and colleagues of other departments I managed to have my small satisfactions. right in this period I am trying to learn html and javascript, because I need to make a program that runs on the development card nodemcu esp12, but all this does not center anything with my work, this to say that if you want you can learn a lot even if in your current job you do not have the chance to see and learn everything you want.
 
What do you mean by growth?
If you don't just refer to the economic aspect, you should sign up for a bachelor's degree if you weren't already a graduate.
 
stevie said:
If you don't just refer to the economic aspect, you should sign up for a bachelor's degree if you weren't already a graduate.
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I don't know if I'm doing well, but I'm already doing a part-time degree (those courses that I share the academic year in 2, designed for students-workers), precisely because I consider the essential degree, but the work experience is just as important, and if you manage to do both things, with sacrifices, it is the best condition.
cacciatorino said:
the loophole are the production premiums or refunds inflated expenses
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exact, I currently in addition to the monthly fixed, I have a Kilometer refund of about 150€ per month. (I don't travel for work and I do just over 20km between round-trip)
 

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