supercar prototyping

[mimmo2186]

hello to all, I am new to the forum and I signed up to be able to open this discussion,

I'm a 27-year-old boy and I have a much bigger ambition than I can imagine.
My dream is to contrude high-performance cars, I know very well that it's not 'and simple and that it serves a big and big investment that I obviously can't support, but' I have a project, or better I have many ideas on how to make it happen,
what I want to ask anyone of you who wants to read this post is if any of you can advise me on how I can find some expert who can be part of a team of competent people and especially passionate about developing a prototype, performing various virtual renderings, 3d designs to be able to create all molds, people with composite materials etc. etc. until you can reach the finished product according to all regulations to proceed with approvals. I know very well that this is almost impossible, but I have all the intentions to carry out this project.

 

[MBT]

hello to all, I am new to the forum and I signed up to be able to open this discussion,

I'm a 27-year-old boy and I have a much bigger ambition than I can imagine.
My dream is to contrude high-performance cars, I know very well that it's not 'and simple and that it serves a big and big investment that I obviously can't support, but' I have a project, or better I have many ideas on how to make it happen,
what I want to ask anyone of you who wants to read this post is if any of you can advise me on how I can find some expert who can be part of a team of competent people and especially passionate about developing a prototype, performing various virtual renderings, 3d designs to be able to create all molds, people with composite materials etc. etc. until you can reach the finished product according to all regulations to proceed with approvals. I know very well that this is almost impossible, but I have all the intentions to carry out this project.

Um...

I like the idea, but do you have a vague idea how many people you need to design a "potentially working" prototype?
You should understand what you want to do, what is the level of design you want to carry on.. .
draw what? Just the body shop? The frame? Suspensions? power train?
for everything you want to draw, in addition to the team of expert technicians in the field, you need someone who spends the days searching for what was patented and how to circumvent or slave patents
When you drew, you have to make the prototype. even more than one... mount it, try it and correct it.
If everything goes well, start thinking about bureaucratic practices to homologize it and approve its sale.

if you want to start from an existing frame and an existing powertrain. . .
will run engineering hours, but you will have to see who produces what is more similar to your needs and pay it (of course)

beyond that... joining a team of specialists is a good idea. But who drives them? Who pays them? Do you think that one, after 9-10 hours studying suspension at work, arrives at home and pauses for your supercar in exchange for a thank you?

Look... there are many examples, even on qesto forums.. .
We start with the stars, modeled in two weeks a good 70% of the work and then... stuck there....

 

[PierArg]

very beautiful idea but unfortunately utopian :frown:

 

[mimmo2186]

Hi, thanks for the answer, I'm very helpful, what I'd like to do more in detail is
a composite monocoque with the 2 frames, front and back in steel, the idea of construction approaches more or less the lotus,
a composite monocoque, many accessories will have to be purchased from other companies such as shock absorbers and brakes respectively ohlins and brembo, so nothing to design because as you say it would be too, all components type braces in tubular or better worked by full aluminum and then the rest of the composite body shop, a twin turbo engine well assembled according to the parameters of pollution etc., and here it really needs experts.
another better idea would be to build only the virtual project, and physically realize only 2/3 fake resin carriages or not know which materials are more suitable, made in different colors as realistic as possible, and numerous renderings where it describes the technical characteristics that the vehicle will have, invest in marketing especially for a product made in italy and invest to make a nice presentation with these 3 prototypes at the most important automotive fairs of Europe type the salon of ginevra possible Obviously I intend to create a small "artistic" production, an aesthetically cared for in detail and rich in details, I know that it is still an expense, but for a good project you can ask for state funding for young people or however a small investment already I could manage it, and I should find passionate people who believe in the project and that together you can achieve a result. What do you think? I know it seems like a dream, but the dream is made to be realized

 

[MBT]

a dear friend has designed a motor for motorcycle, 4 cylinders complete of change
attention, I said designed, not designed
It started from an idea, did sketches and sketches in paper, shaped everything in 3d.
from there, then, modeled the main components of the frame and the whole motion
I think he spent 8 months, almost full time, just for the engine....
no analysis, beyond those feasible by an integrated fem. no cfd analysis. no optimization or use of "exotic" materials.
He took care of the inquination. flew over things like injection or ignition. did not use turbines or other amenities. . .
8 months for a "one man show" regarding only the engine.
Keep these numbers in mind... and think about it!
because you are talking about v8 biturbo with antipollution norms....

Good luck

 

[mimmo2186]

I thought that the project needed about 2/2.5 years, and a minimum expenditure, but minimum of 60/70000euro, obviously as I said before the fundamental part are the skills of people working on the project. Is this your friend on the forum?

 

[tartufon80]

I thought that the project needed about 2/2.5 years, and a minimum expenditure, but minimum of 60/70000euro, obviously as I said before the fundamental part are the skills of people working on the project. Is this your friend on the forum?

Bye!

I doubt that with those figures, but also double, you can pay all the skills you need. . .

as mbt reminded you, his friend did something (mostruous) but good. with your ambitions this road is not feasible, at least for what I understood (car salons, etc.).

In any case, I wish you my best wishes, but many...

 

[MBT]

60,000€ to 50€/hour is 1200 hours
at 160 hours per month are 7.5 months...
You're wrong with a factor 4 just for a person's engineering.
to make such stuff you need a team of at least 8-10 people (motor - transmission - frame - suspension - electrical/electronic - internal - regulations - capocommessa - administration)
Plus you need a local, workstation, license... .

You make the investment accounts!
We don't even have a piece to build.

However, my friend is not on the forum

 

[Exatem]

Um...
Look... there are many examples, even on qesto forums.. .
We start with the stars, modeled in two weeks a good 70% of the work and then... stuck there....

Here I am.
I think I'm an expert in false departures. . .

 

[MBT]

Here I am.
I think I'm an expert in false departures. . .

It's not the single speech, exa...
If you "get back" one, things would go on anyway.
It's the wrong system. if you give us free time, you will inevitably give us soul and core the first month, then you have other things to do the second month, if you add other more important the third etc etc etc etc. etc.
There's only one system to keep things going. You have to put money on it.
or are you paid for finished work or if you do not send the job you have to pay! Then no one goes away.

 

[mimmo2186]

bo we will see ... I will continue and deepen the speech, there are several stories like the famous koenigsegg that was founded by a 22-year-old boy without great titles of study that put together a group of fans without a penny and now sell cars from 1 million euros but of course it is not to that level that I want to arrive, a more recent story is the "mazzanti evantra", a fan who has created a supercar

 

[MBT]

bo we will see... I will continue and deepen the speech, there are several stories like the famous koenigsegg that was founded by a 22-year-old boy without great titles of study that put together a group of fans without a penny and now sell cars from 1 million euros.. .

Yeah.
'94!
and in awe!

 

[maxopus]

I throw two numbers down at the house.
for the sole design of a 2 wheels, excluding the motor and excluding the prototyping ... a good and large company employs 14-15,000 hours man.
a car requires many more because the chassis part, the doors, the roof, the crystals, the interiors require a sea of work.
By making a very low estimate, you don't need 50,000 hours of work (which divided the 1800 hours a man normally works in a year, means a team of 28 people for a whole year) ... and we haven't put our hands on industrialization processes and prototypes. I think I've been singing bad... 28 people aren't enough...

 

[maxopus]

Ahhh... I forgot to say you have to be a good one, because if you've never designed car components...

 

[mimmo2186]

But that's exactly what I don't have a company that I want to hire staff... I'm looking for someone who wants to be part of the project and that maybe not full-time you realize this project... if I have to pay technical engineers etc. etc. I know we go up to millions of euros

 

[MBT]

And according to you, a hypothetical engineer who works in ferrari would lose hours of sleep to work for free to a project not his? knowing he's likely to be fired if they find out? But who does that? glory?

 

[mimmo2186]

ahahahahah a hardware engineer is a little too much:biggrin: ... there are hundreds of excellent technicians who work for small companies instead of the situation that now unfortunately there are technicians and engineers who do not even work

 

[MBT]

Mah. .
Good luck, what to say?

 

[maxopus]

The problem lies in the fact that the working hours needed are so many.
You need so many experienced people working full time.
would first serve a designer to throw away the idea.
then serves a modeler who realizes from the real a scale model.
I then intervene, which scan the model and echo the general surfaces.
then the different working groups take my surfaces and start to popular everything, who shapes the frame, who the doors ...
hoping that the designer has kept in mind the starting data of the powertrain system or powertrain systems.
molded everything ... we proceed with the design of all the molds of the individual components, the equipment necessary to perform the assemblies.
not to neglect electronics, simulated structural analysis, and not least vibrational analysis on prototypes ...
I think I overlooked half the things...

 

[Exatem]

It's not the single speech, exa...
If you "get back" one, things would go on anyway.
It's the wrong system. if you give us free time, you will inevitably give us soul and core the first month, then you have other things to do the second month, if you add other more important the third etc etc etc etc. etc.
There's only one system to keep things going. You have to put money on it.
or are you paid for finished work or if you do not send the job you have to pay! Then no one goes away.

I really meant that I started already a couple of times to "wrong" with a couple of projects not to laugh and I found myself with the chin in my hand after being sufficiently busy.
It comforts me that I'm not the one who got off the wagon...
I now run alone and "dark to every enterprise" ;-)

work in progress...