switch from use of rhino to solidworks

[sanpol]

Good morning.
I am a designer and I work to develop projects from idea to engineering. These are plastic household products to be made by injection.
So far I have worked with rhinoceros, but I realize that it is not the right tool when you have to make sforms, fins, thicknesses, continuous modifications in progress. until it comes to sketching rhino forms is fast and unsurpassable, but when you go to feasibility with thicknesses and deforms, then it becomes a blood bath in terms of time and patience. Let us understand, with rhino I do everything always, but I think there are much more targeted and effective tools.
I was thinking about proposing to the company that I work to take an important step by purchasing solidworks that I consider the most appropriate software.
They don't understand anything and I have to try to justify an investment not recently and I'm in a lot of trouble. I will also have to take courses because from what I understand the design logic is quite different from rhino.
Has anyone taken this step yet? Can it be worth it? Can anyone give me some advice?
Thank you.
Palo

 

[Matteo]

are two completely different worlds! parametric and associative solidworks (born to be the "son" in the windows of the first parametric and associative, that is proengineer/creoparametric) while rhino is a direct modeler, without history and without tree of features ("asynchronous").

you can't "pass" from one to another, you just have to learn both, the only thing in common is to think in 3d. It would be like to pass from basketball to parachute: do not recover anything, except the need to be trained.

I would possibly keep rhino for preliminary projects of pure design, without abandoning it completely.

If the question is "it's worth it", I would say yes, if by engineering we mean the construction geometry to be sent to the moulder and maybe even some table and some together.

for the objection that could make you rhino users: "solidworks doesn't have enough powerful surfaces," don't believe it. 99% of swx users use only a small part of the potential of advanced surfaces (and I speak of those included in swx, not third-party modules) and swx is sufficiently powerful (in my 15-year experience) for 99% of cases.

 

[sanpol]

thank you matteo, my doubt was above all to be able to do everything I do with rhino but having available the parameters to change the projects and to realize sforms and thicknesses more automatically.
In your opinion, if I have to agree with this change, how should I approach the design of solidworks? more than anything to learn logic, workflow.

 

[Matteo]

thank you matteo, my doubt was above all to be able to do everything I do with rhino but having available the parameters to change the projects and to realize sforms and thicknesses more automatically.
In your opinion, if I have to agree with this change, how should I approach the design of solidworks? more than anything to learn logic, workflow.

difficult to answer in a few words: with an associative parametric you have to have in mind a fairly defined modeling scheme, which with the experience you will manage to process more and more quickly, but that at first will be the most difficult step.

automatic sforms and thicknesses? Yes, but not always and not always with a linear and unique strategy.

I can't put my projects online for reasons of confidentiality, but if you want to submit to the users of the forum some examples, I will gladly give you an opinion.

 

[+forte]

You did well to write here too
I have the impression that you never tried it, and I never even tried the competitors.

 

[sanpol]

You did well to write here too
I have the impression that you never tried it, and I never even tried the competitors.

Actually there was a time when with the proof version of solidworks I had followed some tutorials, but only to make me a little aware of what it was. I also tried pro-e and I'm also looking at a little fusion 360.
I have been able to realize that logic is totally different from that of rhino, where I can improvise and now I am strong of a twenty-year experience.

 

[sanpol]

[QUOTE="....ma se vuoi sottoporre agli utenti del forum qualche esempio, ti darò volentieri un parere.[/QUOTE]thank you matteo, now I hope to convince the owner to buy the program and then I can put myself under.

 

[Matteo]

Please! Consider that fusion360 is a big way between the two worlds, it could be a good compromise, but considering the very low cost of rhino (sui 1000€ per perpetual license) and its specificity, my advice and to learn both.

alternatives to swx (to which another user mentioned): complex subject.
the highest level software go to cover a 1% non manageable casino with swx, with a high price (not only in terms of €, but also of learning curve and less agility). If you remain in the "mid range" (so, I repeat, 99% of industrial production), my experience is that swx + rhino are the best compromise. By the way, both have an interesting opening policy to third-party modules.

 

[teseo]

Good morning.
I am a designer and I work to develop projects from idea to engineering. These are plastic household products to be made by injection.
So far I have worked with rhinoceros, but I realize that it is not the right tool when you have to make sforms, fins, thicknesses, continuous modifications in progress. until it comes to sketching rhino forms is fast and unsurpassable, but when you go to feasibility with thicknesses and deforms, then it becomes a blood bath in terms of time and patience. Let us understand, with rhino I do everything always, but I think there are much more targeted and effective tools.
I was thinking about proposing to the company that I work to take an important step by purchasing solidworks that I consider the most appropriate software.
They don't understand anything and I have to try to justify an investment not recently and I'm in a lot of trouble. I will also have to take courses because from what I understand the design logic is quite different from rhino.
Has anyone taken this step yet? Can it be worth it? Can anyone give me some advice?
Thank you.
Palo

I have done it 10 years ago and I can tell you that I would do it one hundred and one hundred times again, in the end you will get pissed for the first month, but the semp'icity of use of solid and its power you will see that they will win you. there are also the flips of the medal, solid is a much more complex environment and therefore it is more subject to crash and things that do not work, but overall it is a huge leap forward than rhino.
The money is well spent telling your bosses.

Hi.

 

[sanpol]

I have done it 10 years ago and I can tell you that I would do it one hundred and one hundred times again, in the end you will get pissed for the first month, but the semp'icity of use of solid and its power you will see that they will win you. there are also the flips of the medal, solid is a much more complex environment and therefore it is more subject to crash and things that do not work, but overall it is a huge leap forward than rhino.
The money is well spent telling your bosses.

Hi.

thanks also to you teseo, it seems encouraging to me what you tell me, but to explain to those who do not know what is behind a design (like the owner), that spending a lot more gives better results, is already an enterprise of his. Maybe it's my fault that I can do everything with rhino without ever complaining...

 

[teseo]

thanks also to you teseo, it seems encouraging to me what you tell me, but to explain to those who do not know what is behind a design (like the owner), that spending a lot more gives better results, is already an enterprise of his. Maybe it's my fault that I can do everything with rhino without ever complaining...

wise words....I would begin not to do everything.......the less spends more spends and then to make rhino design is really ostico....I would insist also for your professional life

Hi.

 

[Meteor02]

I can only tell you that every time I get a model made with rhino to open it with solid is a business, games between faces surfaces nn closed etc. with rhino you really have to be good at creating a model to send to the equipment. penned fast, recommend a course to understand how to parameterize what interests you, has a mold module with almost everything you need and has many useful analysis tools to assess the feasibility of details, nn the last in the top version also has swplastics that further helps to dimensional thicknesses and ribs.

 

[sanpol]

I can only tell you that every time I get a model made with rhino to open it with solid is a business, games between faces surfaces nn closed etc. with rhino you really have to be good at creating a model to send to the equipment. penned fast, recommend a course to understand how to parameterize what interests you, has a mold module with almost everything you need and has many useful analysis tools to assess the feasibility of details, nn the last in the top version also has swplastics that further helps to dimensional thicknesses and ribs.

I understand well what you say in interfacing with the moldists, that while realizing correct mathematicians conversion in step or iges brings irreparably problems, both to them and to me of return.

linking me to the versions of solidworks you mentioned, as they are basically 3: standard, professional and premium, I was wondering if with the standard I could stay quiet as a model. so much for rendering use keyshot that I already have and the various simulations I would leave to those who make the molds.

 

[teseo]

as modeling I would say yes but you lose many modules simulation motion pdm routing visualize cam I would evaluate if you make rendering it is useless to export then make rendering from another part with visualize you can do them quietly or with only solid 360...... if rent the software looks that there is not much difference between the versions and more in this period make a lot of promotions.......
Hi.

 

[sanpol]

as modeling I would say yes but you lose many modules simulation motion pdm routing visualize cam I would evaluate if you make rendering it is useless to export then make rendering from another part with visualize you can do them quietly or with only solid 360...... if rent the software looks that there is not much difference between the versions and more in this period make a lot of promotions.......
Hi.

Okay, actually, 30 would be worth doing 31.
Thank you.

 

[teseo]

I started this year with the cam, I was offered fusion360 and solidcam there is no solidcam history all the time if you make a change the cam updates.... if you use a program for everything, you will always have export
think about it... you will be faster and more professional
for what then.... to save 300 or 400 euros a year but come on....

ps it is obvious that if you have to do something super complicated then you have to have the program for everything... but I don't know you but the shuttle does not project...... .

Hi.

 

[Meteor02]

I understand well what you say in interfacing with the moldists, that while realizing correct mathematicians conversion in step or iges brings irreparably problems, both to them and to me of return.

linking me to the versions of solidworks you mentioned, as they are basically 3: standard, professional and premium, I was wondering if with the standard I could stay quiet as a model. so much for rendering use keyshot that I already have and the various simulations I would leave to those who make the molds.

you already with the standard version models what you want, I recommend you to evaluate however the most advanced versions, especially at the end of the year there are excellent offers, last year the premium version came away at the price of the standard... evaluates also various suppliers the offers can change significantly.

 

[sanpol]

good morning, about the video card to use with solidworks, do you think necessary a picture or a nvidia gtx1060 from 6gb can do its work?

 

[teseo]

to me at the time had recommended a painting, I always found myself well...

 

[sanpol]

to me at the time had recommended a painting, I always found myself well...

I wanted to see if I could keep the current tab without buying a new one