tariff for mechanical designer

[gil]

The shifted figures only serve to have a countertop on which to make estimates.
that then you get paid at hours, at work or other is indifferent to the end of the speech.

 

[meccanicamg]

in briance are no more than 28€/h for work development and commissioning and maximum 34€/h for design from zero....everything to add still iva.
for loyal customers do something less like 23€/h for everything.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

I don't do the free professional, but here's where my estimate of 50 euros / now about.

hypothesize that the person works 160 hours per month ( 8 hours x 5 days week x 4 weeks)
ipotizzo that can only invoice 100, the remaining 60 employed for job search, training, various practices are not invoiced. therefore gross turnover is 5'000 euro month.

from here you have to remove:
1'000 euro rent office, bills, and taxes
500 euro displacement (benzine + half amortization cost)
150 euro advertising and personal promotion
150 Euro training (courses, manuals etc.)
400 euro computer depreciation + software + various tools
300 euro problems, errors, non-refundable credits
total expenditure 2500 euro

net turnover = 5000-2500 = 2500 euro
now you have to pay contributions and income taxes that take away 40% approximately.
net income 2500 x 0.6 = 1500 euro.

However, the remaining 45 days do not produce income.
1'500 x 10,5 = 15'750 euro

an employee who perceives 1'200 euros per month for 13 monthly (the thirteenth is almost a monthly, mortgage does not have the 14th as many state), and the tfr, has an income of:
1'200 x 13,8 = 16'560 euro / year.

mine is a spannometric estimate, of a professional who works, 100% in order, without big patemi. as I said before you can reduce the rate, without affecting income, but only in a few cases.

gil,
Your calculations are similar, not real (like the story of the scams, no?). a little like the jeweler who claims to earn less than his employee.
They're all employees, aren't they?
160 hours of work per month, what do you do, stamp the tag (ok pass the badge)?
if you work 100 and search for 60, uhmmm.... Let's say you're not a good commercial, we go there.
The contributions are 5%, I think.
If you calculate 15000 gross euro annually, you do not pay 35% income taxes, are we on a 25%?. the other taxes (house, etc.) there are also for the employee.
the oil, the machine, the computer, use them only for work ? 100% ?
On...

 

[re_solidworks]

I don't do the free professional, but here's where my estimate of 50 euros / now about.

hypothesize that the person works 160 hours per month ( 8 hours x 5 days week x 4 weeks)
ipotizzo that can only invoice 100, the remaining 60 employed for job search, training, various practices are not invoiced. therefore gross turnover is 5'000 euro month.

from here you have to remove:
1'000 euro rent office, bills, and taxes
500 euro displacement (benzine + half amortization cost)
150 euro advertising and personal promotion
150 Euro training (courses, manuals etc.)
400 euro computer depreciation + software + various tools
300 euro problems, errors, non-refundable credits
total expenditure 2500 euro

net turnover = 5000-2500 = 2500 euro
now you have to pay contributions and income taxes that take away 40% approximately.
net income 2500 x 0.6 = 1500 euro.

However, the remaining 45 days do not produce income.
1'500 x 10,5 = 15'750 euro

an employee who perceives 1'200 euros per month for 13 monthly (the thirteenth is almost a monthly, mortgage does not have the 14th as many state), and the tfr, has an income of:
1'200 x 13,8 = 16'560 euro / year.

mine is a spannometric estimate, of a professional who works, 100% in order, without big patemi. as I said before you can reduce the rate, without affecting income, but only in a few cases.

There are basically 2 errors and a lack. you have taken into account a normal working time by taking 100 hours out of 160, it is too little. there are no doubt hours "lost" but not so many. the second concerns the expenses, you spend much less. 2500 €/month is 30.000,00 €/year and keeps us the expenses of an office of 3/4 people (like mine). the lack (in negative) concerns taking into account the lack of payments (which can be checked) and taxes. the problem of taxes is not only quantity, but also distribution. Today it is difficult to have a constant turnover and when you do turnover jumps you find yourself with 2/3 years without salary. this situation is amplified according to the size of the activity.

gil,
Your calculations are similar, not real (like the story of the scams, no?). a little like the jeweler who claims to earn less than his employee.
They're all employees, aren't they?
160 hours of work per month, what do you do, stamp the tag (ok pass the badge)?
if you work 100 and search for 60, uhmmm.... Let's say you're not a good commercial, we go there.
The contributions are 5%, I think.
If you calculate 15000 gross euro annually, you do not pay 35% income taxes, are we on a 25%?. the other taxes (house, etc.) there are also for the employee.
the oil, the machine, the computer, use them only for work ? 100% ?
On...

contributions for an individual company are 21% (inps only) then you have irap and irpef. you think about a turnover normally higher than the gross of a salary and overall taxes vary from 50% to 70%.
gil's vision is not wrong, though, if I go back with the hymn then I would try to get a salary as high as possible by employee and I would not open a study, this is safe.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

You're right, I was wrong with the contributions added in the invoice. Actually, it's 21% or so. But to say that 50% of 15000 euros go to taxes is a little forced.
There's always time to become an employee.

 

[gil]

I would like to ask you a clarification.
taking into account contributions, iraps, irpefs, local and additional taxes. as they affect gross income taxes. I think, between 40% and 50%; is it wrong? I have read discordant opinions on this.

as an example. I have done only occasional performance, which can be used very limited given stringent boundaries, due to the fact that such performance is much less burdened than a VAT game. And yet I pay a 12-15% tax.

 

[cacciatorino]

I would like to ask you a clarification.
taking into account contributions, iraps, irpefs, local and additional taxes. as they affect gross income taxes. I think, between 40% and 50%; is it wrong? I have read discordant opinions on this.

as an example. I have done only occasional performance, which can be used very limited given stringent boundaries, due to the fact that such performance is much less burdened than a VAT game. And yet I pay a 30% tax.

You must consider that taxes pay them on the taxable, not on turnover. a free professional has many deductions before arriving at the calculation of taxation: software depreciation, any employee salaries, expenses for various utilities, etc etc etc etc. etc.

I almost invariably pay zero taxes at the end of the year (or still little money) or go to credit: this because on each invoice I pay 20% of "anticipated" taxes, from which then go to debt or credit with the tax administration, on the basis of the expenses incurred to produce that income.

I mean, don't think that by billing 50,000 then you have to pay 25,000 taxes, it can be much less.

p.s. years ago when you were crediting your money back after several years, now from that point of view the situation has improved.

 

[geometra-bordighera]

for my experience I can tell you about 50 % then you have to see if you have supported the amortisable expenses.

 

[Modelero]

Forgive me for introducing, I have to do a small job for a company, it is about bringing in 3d (software and posting provided by them) a machine of which there are some drawings and of which it is also necessary to make surveys directly on the machine.
how much would you ask as an hourly figure?

 

[meccanicamg]

Forgive me for introducing, I have to do a small job for a company, it is about bringing in 3d (software and posting provided by them) a machine of which there are some drawings and of which it is also necessary to make surveys directly on the machine.
how much would you ask as an hourly figure?

23 € per hour

 

[ceschi1959]

gil,
Your calculations are similar, not real (like the story of the scams, no?). a little like the jeweler who claims to earn less than his employee.
They're all employees, aren't they?
160 hours of work per month, what do you do, stamp the tag (ok pass the badge)?
if you work 100 and search for 60, uhmmm.... Let's say you're not a good commercial, we go there.
The contributions are 5%, I think.
If you calculate 15000 gross euro annually, you do not pay 35% income taxes, are we on a 25%?. the other taxes (house, etc.) there are also for the employee.
the oil, the machine, the computer, use them only for work ? 100% ?
On...

I go into this discussion with delay because I hadn't seen it before.
my experience documented as a free professional enrolled in inps in separate management: turnover, alone, 100.000 € 400.000 km for work of which I could download only 20% transferte with hotel and vitto of which I could download only 2% of turnover. expenses deductible approximately 20,000 € (the real ones many more)
imponable inps 80.000 rate 27.78% ( 0.78% is for the sickness fund), imponable irpef 57.750 €, let's remove an additional 35% remain 37.500 € theoretically net to which you have to remove the expenses not deductible and however supported and that is 80% of the benza of 40.000 km (about 9.000 €) vitto and unloaded accommodation (another 3.0.000 €), remain net approximately 25 the cases are two: either I have a mone accountant (as they say from my side) or I live in a thief state.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

I go into this discussion with delay because I hadn't seen it before.
I live in a thief state.

In short, start soft and finish hard....

.. 1000.000 € 400.000 km for work of which I could download only 20% away with hotel and vitto of which I could download only 2% of the turnover. expenses deductible approximately 20,000 € (the real ones many more)

My baker, on the back of the box, wrote: "For someone's fault, no one's credit is made." until a few years ago it was 40% or wrong ? try, at this point, to reflect on your final statement about the thief state and from whom the state is composed.

..imponable inps 80.000 rate 27.78% ( 0.78% is for the sickness fund), imponable irpef 57.750 €

Since inps and ssn consider themselves a tax ? if we call them health insurance fund ?
Are you saying that health insurance is better, all of a different thing?

... taxable irpef 57,750 €, let's remove an additional 35% remain 37,500 €

it seems to me that for 57750€ you pay , without deductions house/wives/etc... 18350€ approximately we arrive at 39400€. you were lost in the street about 1900 €. Sorry.

..benza of 40,000 km (about 9,000 €)

9000€ to 2€/l are 4500 liters.
40000 km with 4500 liters are 8.88 km/litre.
I suggest a less heavy foot or change a car. with 15 km/l you would spend 3500€ less. I do 50000 km year and spend half of it. If I had to spend 800€ per month only of oil then it would be worth doing the gasoline, not the designer.

remain net about 25,000 €.

Meanwhile, you paid for cars, computers, diesel, food, lodging, other things you didn't say, pension, sn.

. the cases are two: either I have a mone accountant (as they say from my side) or I live in a thief state.

Nobody pays taxes. but do not believe that abroad you pay much less. the difference, as I told someone else, are the services you receive in return.
and, above all, abroad, few complain about the taxes they pay, although many. at the limit, they complain about the service they receive.

 

[marcof]

9000€ to 2€/l are 4500 liters.
40000 km with 4500 liters are 8.88 km/litre.
I suggest a less heavy foot or change a car. with 15 km/l you would spend 3500€ less. I do 50000 km year and spend half of it. If I had to spend 800€ per month only of oil then it would be worth doing the gasoline, not the designer.

the cost per kilometer of the car is certainly not the one calculated with the only fuel consumption. the tires do not give them, the coupons idem, the car itself you paid, the highway you pay, the insurance and the stamp idem etc. etc. 50,000 km a year, traveling for work, how long do you have to buy another one?
take a look at the aci rates.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

the cost per kilometer of the car is certainly not the one calculated with the only fuel consumption. the tires do not give them, the coupons idem, the car itself you paid, the highway you pay, the insurance and the stamp idem etc. etc. 50,000 km a year, traveling for work, how long do you have to buy another one?
take a look at the aci rates.

Hi.
ceschi1959 did not mention cost per km. 9000 € of "benza" and 20000 € of other expenses. What you list will be under "other expenses."
However on 100000 € real taxes are 20000 € .
No one responds to the fact that until 2-3 years ago the deductions were 40% and, because of someone who on the refunds made "the smart" now were reduced?
However, to return to topic, with 30€/h excluding software and hardware, you can earn decently. after one year worked full time are 60-70 thousand € of income.
The real problem today is not the tariff.

 

[gil]

con 30€/h escluso software e hardware

However, there are two important items, including hardware and software, affecting 1,500 euros/years or more.
And yet I have this great perpelsity. if I call a plumber, whitening, or masonry costs me on 35 euros (+iva). a worker specialized as an electrician, an antennist, or that of the boiler wants on 40/45 euros / hour (+iva) more "compared" for the call.

a plumber I know complains that it is difficult because there are former colleagues who closed the company, cause crisis, and maybe do some black jobs for only 30 euros and he is not in it being in order.

Does a cad operator cost less? I'm wrong.

 

[maxopus]

with 30 euros now it is better to look for a place as an employee, it is useless to climb on drawn calculations for the hair. 1830 hours year for 30 euros are 54,900 and you have 10,000 euros of expenses even if you stop breathing. Get inps and taxes and let me know how much you have left. haaaa you cannot get sick and vacations are not paid, as there are no 13th and 14th monthly. it is for people who work at 30 euros gross that the market went in cow.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

with 30 euros now it is better to look for a place as an employee, it is useless to climb on drawn calculations for the hair. 1830 hours year for 30 euros are 54,900 and you have 10,000 euros of expenses even if you stop breathing. Get inps and taxes and let me know how much you have left. haaaa you cannot get sick and vacations are not paid, as there are no 13th and 14th monthly. it is for people who work at 30 euros gross that the market went in cow.

Good morning maxopus.
Yes, if you do 1830,5 hours/year it's definitely better than looking for an employee job.
with 300 working days, 8 hours a day (!!!!!) , it is 2400 hours. for 30 euros/hour are 72000 euros/year.
I think it's enough to live there, high taxes or not.
the market is "going in cow" for the whole Italian habit of making shoes one with the other, and not know how to do business even when you are in 2 (two) partners. How is the "professional" collaboration hypothesis going here on the forum?

Good day

 

[Lettore espatriato]

However, there are two important items, including hardware and software, affecting 1,500 euros/years or more.
And yet I have this great perpelsity. if I call a plumber, whitening, or masonry costs me on 35 euros (+iva). a worker specialized as an electrician, an antennist, or that of the boiler wants on 40/45 euros / hour (+iva) more "compared" for the call.

a plumber I know complains that it is difficult because there are former colleagues who closed the company, cause crisis, and maybe do some black jobs for only 30 euros and he is not in it being in order.

Does a cad operator cost less? I'm wrong.

we say that counting 2400 hours/year, with 4 euros/hour we revenues rental software (type nx) and certified hardware.
If the client doesn't already have it. because big companies tend to want a certain software with a certain hardware (including patches, revisions, etc.) and then, sometimes, they prefer to provide the whole.
on comparison with other professions, I don't care. free you to do any other profession if you feel it not economically advantageous.

 

[maxopus]

Good morning maxopus.
Yes, if you do 1830,5 hours/year it's definitely better than looking for an employee job.
with 300 working days, 8 hours a day (!!!!!) , it is 2400 hours. for 30 euros/hour are 72000 euros/year.
I think it's enough to live there, high taxes or not.
the market is "going in cow" for the whole Italian habit of making shoes one with the other, and not know how to do business even when you are in 2 (two) partners. How is the "professional" collaboration hypothesis going here on the forum?

Good day

working 2400 hours as a cash employee you do more. what kind of comparison is 1830 versus 2400.
we have always been the Chinese of Europe together with Spanish and Portuguese. Now the authentic Chinese have arrived together with Serbians, Poles, Albanians and are showing us how the real struggle against the downside works. You could work 3650 hours a year, you know the money you make.

 

[MBT]

Good morning maxopus.
Yes, if you do 1830,5 hours/year it's definitely better than looking for an employee job.
with 300 working days, 8 hours a day (!!!!!) , it is 2400 hours. for 30 euros/hour are 72000 euros/year.
I think it's enough to live there, high taxes or not.
the market is "going in cow" for the whole Italian habit of making shoes one with the other, and not know how to do business even when you are in 2 (two) partners. How is the "professional" collaboration hypothesis going here on the forum?

Good day

I've been a freelancer for two years.
I compared myself with a friend recently, also he free professional
changed the years, but the accounts are always those. . .
you have to work 220 hours a month to bill 170 and have (if they pay you) a salary comparable to that of a worker.
30 €/h maybe in other regions and other types of engineering. . here for detail engineering of medium-heavy carpenters difficult to see beyond 25 €/h.