technical file liability

[Uni_Mo]

the declaration of conformity must contain the following elements:
1. social reason and complete address of the manufacturer and, if appropriate, of his mandatory;
2. name and address of the authorised person to constitute the technical dossier, which must be established in the community
...
the technical dossier must, however, be able to be brought together and made available in times compatible with its importance by the person appointed in the declaration of conformity.

the designer is ready to take charge of this impending... ?
What do you think? :bekle:


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[gerod]

the declaration of conformity must contain the following elements:
1. social reason and complete address of the manufacturer and, if appropriate, of his mandatory;
2. the name and address of the authorised person to constitute the technical dossier, which must be established in the community

I disagree with the statement.
must contain all that is provided for in Annex ii (there are 10 points for the ddc) and not as you say the indications of the persons involved.
I would have opened the new discussion by marking the news on the ddc that is to indicate the person who constitutes the technical file (legal person I add).

then on compatible or congruous times there is to discuss.

the designer is ready to take charge of this impending... ?

I mean? Should the designer be charged with signing the ddc? to constitute the ftc? Sorry, but I don't understand the meaning of the question.

the designer has his responsibilities (we had discussed it qui if you remember) designer. if he gets paid for other tasks, well for him.

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[Uni_Mo]

I disagree with the statement.
must contain all that is provided for in Annex ii (there are 10 points for the ddc) and not as you say the indications of the persons involved.
I would have opened the new discussion by marking the news on the ddc that is to indicate the person who constitutes the technical file (legal person I add).

I did a "copy and paste" from Legislative Decree 17/2010.
I clearly didn't put all the points. . !

Annex ii to point 1.a.2 provides for the name and address of the person authorized to constitute the technical dossier, which must be established in the community.
is not mentioned at the term "jurist".

I mean? Should the designer be charged with signing the ddc? to constitute the ftc? Sorry, but I don't understand the meaning of the question.

Well, setting up the technical file, I think it's a designer's job. but I agree that in the event of a request, the legal representative will apply first. . .

 

[gerod]

I did a "copy and paste" from Legislative Decree 17/2010.
I clearly didn't put all the points. . !

from how it was written "must contain the following elements" could be deceived. better "must contain ..."

is not mentioned at the term "jurist".

but if you go to read the guidelines (in English) you will find:

the person authorised to compile the technical file is a natural or legal person established in the community who has been entrusted by the manufacturer with the task of assembling and making available the relevant elements of the technical file in response to a duly reasoned request from the market surveillance authorities of one of the member states – see §98: comments on articles 4 (3) and (4), and comments on annex vii a (2) and (3).
the person authorised to compile the technical file is not, as such, responsible for the design, construction or conformity assessment of the machinery, for drawing up the documents included in the technical file, for affixing the ce marking or for drawing up and signing the ec declaration of conformity.

now I define legal person from English vocabulary:

an individual, company, or other entity that has legal rights and is subject to obligations.

I think it's a designer's job. but I agree that in the event of a request, the legal representative will apply first. . .

I also answered this statement with the comment.

 

[Uni_Mo]

correct.

At this point, I ask you an opinion.
Do you think that somehow the designer can be thrown into a legal problem maybe due to an injury?

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[Uni_Mo]

I just read the discussion "civil/penal responsibility of designers" concerning the topic.

correct.

At this point, I ask you an opinion.
Do you think that somehow the designer can be thrown into a legal problem maybe due to an injury?

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[gerod]

correct.

At this point, I ask you an opinion.
Do you think that somehow the designer can be thrown into a legal problem maybe due to an injury?

greetings
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Of course I do.
the designer answers his work.
also says the unique text of Legislative Decree 81/08.
the consultant can also be condemned (see this news news), and, I say, it was time... there are some consultants around!

 

[Uni_Mo]

Thank you very much for the information.
the article is also very interesting.

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[GIULIO67]

Hello everyone,
I would like to ask for an opinion on the subject of liability on the signature or not of the technical dossier.
I have read with attention the reflections and a question arises spontaneously given the complication of the topic mentioned.
What are the professional requirements of this contact person? ?

By reading the dlgs_81 I was debated in Article No.32 dealing with:
-capacity and professional requirements of employees and managers
of internal and external prevention and protection services

in this article it is defined that people who have security assignments must have participated in special security courses.

I ask you:
Is it correct to think that the above mentioned technical dossier should at least be competent as required by the above mentioned article or are there any indications in this regard ?

thanks and greetings.

 

[gerod]

Welcome Giulio.
it would be good norm (I will not stop repeating it) that the new ones presented and therefore read well the rules of the forum. a minimum of presentation does not spoil!
Maybe you're messing up.
don't mix the app with the designer!
you 81/08 refers to the spp as you well said. (b, c), in short, must be enabled unless it is the employer (in this case it takes 16 hours of training).
You refer to a social directive, the machine directive is "product". Don't be confused. Yes, it is true that the two meet somewhere (in you also talk about work equipment and responsibilities of the manufacturer, designer, installer and maintainer).
by returning to the machinery directive.
It is not written anywhere that there is one who has to sign the ftc, it is said that a person who constitutes it (who collects it). may also be the owner's wife who knows nothing about machines. the important thing is that there is someone (legal person).
If anything within the ftc there will be someone who will have signed the project, others who will sign the calculation reports, others who will sign the evidence, etc.
I invite you to read the directive well and you will see that everything is written.
I remember that every person who contributed to the ftc will be responsible for how much he competes.
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[GIULIO67]

Hello everyone,
my lack of presentation did not want to be rude but only a distraction due to the short time I had available.
remedy immediately:
My name is gorea and I have been working as a designer for several years in the automation/robotic sector.
Unfortunately, I don't know much about the theme for a combination of causes that have kept me a little out of the problem of drafting ftc and now I'm trying to deepen as much as possible.
Thank you for the courteous and complete answer. I will try to see the parts mentioned by you.
what makes you think is that most entrepreneurs do not fully know the regulations and, on the other hand, does not make available the means to its employees to be fully informed, otherwise there would not be all these exchanges of news through the forum.
live the forum then!!!!!:finger:
I wish everyone a good job.
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