the modern approach to software

[lattu]

we have read now for a long time people (technicians or students who are) who face for the first time a software like autocad, even if the same speech is valid for most sw, and claim to be able already to do everything with the inevitable consequence of encountering hundreds of small problems due to the lack of knowledge of the basic concepts of software.

and it is true that the fault should not be attributed to the operator in difficulty because in most cases the improper use of a program is dictated by the superiors, but it makes me anger the fact that no one complains of this fact, because in one way or another one gets help from the forums. What makes me even more angry is the fact that until a few years ago one had to make the deck for "emerge" and challenge competition, instead now everyone is improvised designers, modelers and renderizers without first doing that healthy and precious period of watering (tool rare exceptions). not to mention the unfair competition born in this last period thanks to the underpaid labor that makes the profession even more difficult and frustrating.

I could see, at least as far as my area is concerned, that many technical studies to no longer entrust rendering works to third parties and therefore save a few hundred euros (maybe on jobs from €30000) continue to take and replace trainees and new graduates, forcing them to learn to draw the 3d within a week and content with works done badly, slowly and also ugly! surely those who find themselves in these situations deserve a praise to merit, but it must also realize that something has been ruined, some balance has been touched. I don't want to say that you don't have to accept work opportunities anymore, we would miss it, but that at least you return to a correct and conscious form of collaborations and of this the "bodies" should be informed and advised.

if you have to learn how to use a program, that you do it correctly or by reading specific manuals, downloading video-tutorial and attending collective or private courses but above all try to bang a minimum at least to overcome and understand the basics of each software.

I apologize in advance if with my intervention I offended someone, but it's something I've been taking in for too long now and I had to say it, thanks to those who will support me.

steak

 

[rpor66]

I agree in pieno.

 

[Ezio Olivato]

quoto lattu in toto, but if I don't go wrong there is a topic on the "wet pan vs soup" or similar that says long on the issue!

 

[warburg]

Hard to blame you. I learned autocads at university independently, there was neither internet nor anything else, only the hours and the women in front of the monitor. Someone paid for the classes, I immediately realized that it was money thrown, even to have them.
on makeists paid a pound from professional studies... I'll tell you what to do. .

 

[Marcogeo]

is the harsh reality of saturated markets. who makes a reason and finds the right key to confront him sooner or later makes his way ... others remain to cry attached to their beliefs. you can only improve by participating in the competition and not staying out of it saying that it is rigged therefore it is useless to participate.

 

[liber]

I have to go back to work, and I have to go back to work
So how to wrong him?? If he doesn't have anyone and doesn't want anyone? ?
I wanted to be a trainee on the drawing table, but I wanted to be a good one, but I had to be a good one. after a couple of years finally something moved monthly and guessed I came to the considerable figure of 300 thousand a month, so less than one that makes you house cleaning, cmq for me it was important to learn the rest was passing mine despite in the second floor, obvious after a little I too laid and walked with my legs.
So how much of those you know are willing to make sacrifices?? I see young people always around with cell phones and various ringtones, personally I would spend as I spent as a young man what I gained for manuals and other software, instead of throwing them on ipod, and then just that they have a pc, they navigate the internet they find easily software that then installed, but it is there to occupy the harddisk, as for the collection of the figurines, I have all the civil suite of or, I have all black map
I have only a couple of software needed, and my commitment beyond the job is still knowing what I have (use map 2006, only for 50% of the possibilities it offers), since they are enough for the job I do and do not want to throw money in updates, when I want something more I will evaluate 1 software at a time.

 

[Marcogeo]

I have to go back to work, and I have to go back to work
So how to wrong him?? If he doesn't have anyone and doesn't want anyone? ?
I wanted to be a trainee on the drawing table, but I wanted to be a good one, but I had to be a good one. after a couple of years finally something moved monthly and guessed I came to the considerable figure of 300 thousand a month, so less than one that makes you house cleaning, cmq for me it was important to learn the rest was passing mine despite in the second floor, obvious after a little I too laid and walked with my legs.
So how much of those you know are willing to make sacrifices?? I see young people always around with cell phones and various ringtones, personally I would spend as I spent as a young man what I gained for manuals and other software, instead of throwing them on ipod, and then just that they have a pc, they navigate the internet they find easily software that then installed, but it is there to occupy the harddisk, as for the collection of the figurines, I have all the civil suite of or, I have all black map
I have only a couple of software needed, and my commitment beyond the job is still knowing what I have (use map 2006, only for 50% of the possibilities it offers), since they are enough for the job I do and do not want to throw money in updates, when I want something more I will evaluate 1 software at a time.

the problem is quite complex. investing in trainees is impossible because when they learned they leave....... I am among those who left to do the job in their own. I would never have wanted to do it but the study where they taught me did not offer me a serious chance of work so, or continue to do the trick or try professional adventure. I have never condemned that study because then it has spent so much work but it is clear that a free professional would cost him too much ... maybe they had more confidence or intuition, we could have done something important by adding customers today, instead and in part, we divide them....

 

[marcof]

the problem is quite complex. investing in trainees is impossible because when they learned they leave

I think that, if in the face of an internship (or apprenticeship) done as you must, (i.e. a real and complete training and not a form of exploitation of work at an almost zero cost) there was an obligation on the part of the apprentice or trainee to mature a substantial number of years of internship/work at the company's dependencies for a reasonable period, pain the impossibility to exercise in his own right, it would be an effective investment
I certainly do not say that I return to the spirit of the guilds of rebirth, but not even the free wild profession that more or less in all fields is now allowed.
all I have...

Hi.

 

[ale]

if you have to learn how to use a program, that you do it correctly or by reading specific manuals, downloading video-tutorial and attending collective or private courses but above all try to bang a minimum at least to overcome and understand the basics of each software.

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steak

I also join and agree with what Lattu said.

 

[Er Presidente]

quoto lattu in toto, but if I don't go wrong there is a topic on the "wet pan vs soup" or similar that says long on the issue!

Thank you for the quote, a little confused, but still welcome!
:biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

... continue to take and replace trainees and new graduates forcing them to learn to draw the 3d in a week and content themselves with works done badly, slowly and also ugly! ....

after decades in which we were inculcated the cult of the best at all costs, we threw everything to the nettles in 10 years of cult of the "nothing."

competence, beauty, professionalism costs a huge amount of money.

If money was the means of tanning the purpose, there would be no problem, unfortunately money is the purpose and then no one wants to deprive it for no reason.

in 10 years we will have finished our money (lost the ability to produce it and consumed all the accumulation) and then will return "fashion" to be able to build it (not "do it").

our generation (baby boom) and the next two the money found it as the sand at the sea and fail to realize that it is not infinite, will touch our (poor) children to try to regain the desire and ability to "do".

 

[lattu]

our generation (baby boom) and the next two the money found it as the sand at the sea and fail to realize that it is not infinite, will touch our (poor) children to try to regain the desire and ability to "do".

I really hope that you will soon return to the rediscovery of some now past fashion values. It is logical that they are slow changes but it is also true that to destroy a patrimony you do long before you build it.

 

[lattu]

When I read my last post, I didn't understand what I meant:
Forgive me but these days I am tired and stressed and sometimes I have sclerography raptus

It would however be nice to be able to speed up the times of these involutive processes, perhaps raising awareness of institutes and training centres

 

[Ezio Olivato]

incubant?

 

[lattu]

no, building restoration (my future home) in conjunction with urgent work to be delivered by the weekend