tips on what to do about my future

[Andrea1990]

good morning, I am going, 32 years old, mechanical expert diploma, professionally I have done 11 years of manual adjustments, the work in the metalmechanics I like however I had understood that to grow I had to do because nobody gave me the chances, then changed firm, I did 4 years programming edge machine: fanuc/iso and in depth siemens shopmill/shopturn on 4 axes motorized lathes. I missed the cam, changed firm and since 1 year I have mastercam programming on 5 axes working centers. in this last firm, being “small” does not give me possibility of professional/economic growth (currently I take 34k of ral).
from a month I look for work as a cam programmer (veneto, vicentino), but you want the little request, you want me to look for staff at low cost.....I have no offers (on 7 agencies of work on which I was).
unique for now a goldsmith/micromechanic company, made a first interview, possibility to program to the cam, making for a first period also landing edge machine, then after always inserting the part cam more the design part, we talk about components of design (joielleria/horlogerie), therefore it does not need skills of the engineers. this to tell them, I wait for the second most thorough/knowledge interview to see with hand everything.
written all of a breath, read so says little, the point is this: I am aware that I have intellectual limits given by the title of study, but do I have good skills/motivation/ambition, an example? when I didn't know how to use the cam, I downloaded moneyworks, I made a simple solid milling, I downloaded solidcam, I generated the cam path and manually adapted the g-code generated for a milling to a motorized lathe, changing codes and language from radial to diametrical. then all I did in the car, and it worked after several attempts to fix (software and post processors were not original), the company gave me some freedom in extra-work hours to try my “things”.
Now it seems to me that the market looks for figures of programmers cam novices/low cost to be inserted inside and prefer to grow senior figures already rodate, it is as thought.
I'm expert on cam? no, but I have a 15-year experience luggage and the cam as the cad design I learned them myself, without any help, then I had who taught me but everything I live easy, I like, I learn quickly. the problem is that many ads I find are on average about 500€ less per month than I currently take.

summing up I ask you:
Is it too expensive for companies with 34k of ral to hire me? I have said that I do not seek the undetermined, I am available at a trial period 3-6 months and if later if I go well to the company it hires me undetermined if not. This is because I am aware of my abilities and I know I have no problem reaching the goals, as I am aware of the company’s risk of taking an undetermined white point.
-in salary optics (I know that higher pays arrive only after years of employment in the same company) it is advisable to expand the training also on the “design” or to specialize only on the cam?
- professional/economic growth I am convinced only arrives on medium/large structure enterprises, tell me if I am wrong.

I tried to be synthetic, if you read, I hope not to sin of presumption, it is only the pride of those who invested time and resources for a professional growth in which you believe.
thanks to those who will give me some extra input, if you have any questions I will be happy to answer you.

 

[gil]

1) for what I know, you already have a higher pay than the average, so it's obvious that it's difficult to find better.

with the undetermined however there are 3 months of trial, in which they can fire you in every minute with zero notice. but if you accept the determined you are sure that then everyone will keep the agreements and do not leave you with contracts to 3 – 6 months?

2) difficult to say, but perhaps better to do very well one thing to do 2 or 3 so.

3) is not said, depends much on the occasions. but certainly to go further serves a role also executives, as “office head”, “responsible production” etc. It is obvious that if you are in 3 employees and you are the only one in your sector, there is little to manage.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

good morning, I am going, 32 years old, mechanical expert diploma, professionally I have done 11 years of manual adjustments, the work in the metalmechanics I like however I had understood that to grow I had to do because nobody gave me the chances, then changed firm, I did 4 years programming edge machine: fanuc/iso and in depth siemens shopmill/shopturn on 4 axes motorized lathes. I missed the cam, changed firm and since 1 year I have mastercam programming on 5 axes working centers. in this last firm, being “small” does not give me possibility of professional/economic growth (currently I take 34k of ral).
from a month I look for work as a cam programmer (veneto, vicentino), but you want the little request, you want me to look for staff at low cost.....I have no offers (on 7 agencies of work on which I was).
unique for now a goldsmith/micromechanic company, made a first interview, possibility to program to the cam, making for a first period also landing edge machine, then after always inserting the part cam more the design part, we talk about components of design (joielleria/horlogerie), therefore it does not need skills of the engineers. this to tell them, I wait for the second most thorough/knowledge interview to see with hand everything.
written all of a breath, read so says little, the point is this: I am aware that I have intellectual limits given by the title of study, but do I have good skills/motivation/ambition, an example? when I didn't know how to use the cam, I downloaded moneyworks, I made a simple solid milling, I downloaded solidcam, I generated the cam path and manually adapted the g-code generated for a milling to a motorized lathe, changing codes and language from radial to diametrical. then all I did in the car, and it worked after several attempts to fix (software and post processors were not original), the company gave me some freedom in extra-work hours to try my “things”.
Now it seems to me that the market looks for figures of programmers cam novices/low cost to be inserted inside and prefer to grow senior figures already rodate, it is as thought.
I'm expert on cam? no, but I have a 15-year experience luggage and the cam as the cad design I learned them myself, without any help, then I had who taught me but everything I live easy, I like, I learn quickly. the problem is that many ads I find are on average about 500€ less per month than I currently take.

summing up I ask you:
Is it too expensive for companies with 34k of ral to hire me? I have said that I do not seek the undetermined, I am available at a trial period 3-6 months and if later if I go well to the company it hires me undetermined if not. This is because I am aware of my abilities and I know I have no problem reaching the goals, as I am aware of the company’s risk of taking an undetermined white point.
-in salary optics (I know that higher pays arrive only after years of employment in the same company) it is advisable to expand the training also on the “design” or to specialize only on the cam?
- professional/economic growth I am convinced only arrives on medium/large structure enterprises, tell me if I am wrong.

I tried to be synthetic, if you read, I hope not to sin of presumption, it is only the pride of those who invested time and resources for a professional growth in which you believe.
thanks to those who will give me some extra input, if you have any questions I will be happy to answer you.

in this period it makes strange to hear a cam programmer that does not find adequate offers, in emilia the companies contend the valid programmers and if they take them away with each other.
I think it's a "limit", pass me the term, the area where you live/ search for work.
probably the industrial fabric of that territory has not developed much in that sector and consequently there is not much demand for figures of that type.

 

[TETRASTORE]

As for your study title do not worry, it is definitely not a limit.
Surely in that field you have acquired an experience that has allowed you to achieve an economic result that in the current economic situation I would define good.
thinking of further training in design or design, will not bring you further benefits if not a job change. small medium companies have extreme need for cnc machine tools so (in my opinion) it is difficult to get more than you have already achieved; the same if you enter a technical office.
what I feel to advise you, given the age and type of experience, is to guide you to a technical-commercial job where you can exploit your experience without having too much competition; for example in companies that sell cnc machines or tools, etc.; in this way in a few years, if you know how to do it, you may have many satisfactions both from the economic and working point of view.
an announcement that I saw and that if I were in your place, I would love is this appeared three days ago (to date three candidates). is one of those jobs that require you to further training in different areas but you would be in contact with many different companies with future possibilities whose outcome you can determine it.

 

[Andrea1990]

Thanks for the answers, I answer everyone.

gil:
- the core of the pay I didn't think was due to my current salary, which seems to me to read from more people is already medium-high, because I have the same salary since I did manual processing on adjustments, to that I added the know-how to equip/program machine board + the programming cam. in the last 4 firms in which I have worked I have never asked for increases, what I take is what has rated me so far the market, so since without asking me this, I seemed lawful to ask more and see how it goes, but it seems to be a bigger scoglio than expected.
to protect me I wanted to make a pact of intent, where it was written goals and temporal deadlines of what I should do, so as to draw a clear path from both sides (my idea, I do not know how applicable).
for the trial period in my case it was a month, and it was written in the agreement of intent that I signed before hiring.
-I share your thinking, currently the technical professions are more and more specialized in the world of work, a little like doctors in a hospital, there is no one who does anything a little bit.
- even this, perhaps to go further serves a managerial role, in the company where I was before, I was the second to the department manager, if there was not he for covid/disease etc. I was passed the coordination of the department, 6 colleagues and 8 machines, I had received a proposal to return with an increase of approximately 300€, but I want to grow in technical office more than in the workshop.

technomodel:
- I am also reflecting on this, the Vicentino is full of small and medium-sized enterprises and is quite lacking in big realities like the S.p.A. to the average/small companies is enough a “advanced” programmer that solves problems and manages a little everything, usually they are consolidated figures within the company. the remaining programmers are also good for the stagisti, an example of the mold production sector, the creation of tool paths on 3 axis machining centers is quite schematic, learned the process of sequences/parameters do not need additional knowledge. change residence for work I consider it as the last beach.

tetrator:
-I read the offer, I would be confident on all points except: relationships with customers. This is a personal limit, I am very rational/analytical, I prefer to speak with things written on paper than in words. Unfortunately selling also means playing on this (70% of the representatives I had to deal with at work, I found them unprepared technically, but very “chiacchieroni”, yet they work...).
vice/father are a lot of km, however I sent the resume, if they answer if you can talk about it. Thanks for giving me a different view from what I'm used to.

 

[Mario SJPD]

(currently I take 34k of ral).

can I ask you how much does it translate net/month?

 

[Andrea1990]

can I ask you how much does it translate net/month?

1.800-1900

I understand how worker level d2, (equivalent to those who load/unload pieces from machine tools) pays basic 1600€ gross, to this add about 800€ of gross superminimums, and 200€ gross birth of non-competition (serve to the company in order to be able to work with important companies of the automotive, which require that those who have access to their projects have signed this pact to protect themselves, has no limiting value to me if I change company.

 

[TETRASTORE]

I read the offer, I would be confident about all points except: relationships with customers. This is a personal limit, I am very rational/analytical, I prefer to speak with things written on paper than in words. Unfortunately selling also means playing on this (70% of the representatives I had to deal with at work, I found them unprepared technically, but very “chiacchieroni”, yet they work...).

the function of the commercial technician is not to sell, but to assist both the customer and the sellers by evaluating the various application needs and providing adequate solutions, supporting them also with practical tests and/or demonstrations. in this way you create with the customer a relationship of trust that allows you to faithfully. the purely commercial part (research customer, prices, discounts, payments, etc.) is instead the task of the seller.
if your company exhibits at trade fairs, you will probably be called to attend, as a technician, to answer questions of acquired or potential customers or to illustrate new products or solutions.
In case you take this path, it is important to know a bit of desktop publishing and power point to create documentation and presentations, useful for this type of work.
assistance can be made online or even with the customer.
coming into contact with many companies in various sectors, with often different problems that require innovative solutions, makes sure that in a few years you can have an experience that is increasingly appreciated and increasingly difficult to find on the market and can open the way to interesting jobs both from the point of view of satisfaction and from the economic point of view.
I put some emphasis on recommending this path because, in another sector, it is what I did.

 

[Andrea1990]

Thank you for having resumed the speech, I did not know these issues. I have worked almost always single pieces or small series, thus developing a good problem solving/experience. I will give an eye to the next announcements if there is this possibility.

 

[Marco F inox]

good morning, I am going, 32 years old, mechanical expert diploma, professionally I have done 11 years of manual adjustments, the work in the metalmechanics I like however I had understood that to grow I had to do because nobody gave me the chances, then changed firm, I did 4 years programming edge machine: fanuc/iso and in depth siemens shopmill/shopturn on 4 axes motorized lathes. I missed the cam, changed firm and since 1 year I have mastercam programming on 5 axes working centers. in this last firm, being “small” does not give me possibility of professional/economic growth (currently I take 34k of ral).
from a month I look for work as a cam programmer (veneto, vicentino), but you want the little request, you want me to look for staff at low cost.....I have no offers (on 7 agencies of work on which I was).
unique for now a goldsmith/micromechanic company, made a first interview, possibility to program to the cam, making for a first period also landing edge machine, then after always inserting the part cam more the design part, we talk about components of design (joielleria/horlogerie), therefore it does not need skills of the engineers. this to tell them, I wait for the second most thorough/knowledge interview to see with hand everything.
written all of a breath, read so says little, the point is this: I am aware that I have intellectual limits given by the title of study, but do I have good skills/motivation/ambition, an example? when I didn't know how to use the cam, I downloaded moneyworks, I made a simple solid milling, I downloaded solidcam, I generated the cam path and manually adapted the g-code generated for a milling to a motorized lathe, changing codes and language from radial to diametrical. then all I did in the car, and it worked after several attempts to fix (software and post processors were not original), the company gave me some freedom in extra-work hours to try my “things”.
Now it seems to me that the market looks for figures of programmers cam novices/low cost to be inserted inside and prefer to grow senior figures already rodate, it is as thought.
I'm expert on cam? no, but I have a 15-year experience luggage and the cam as the cad design I learned them myself, without any help, then I had who taught me but everything I live easy, I like, I learn quickly. the problem is that many ads I find are on average about 500€ less per month than I currently take.

summing up I ask you:
Is it too expensive for companies with 34k of ral to hire me? I have said that I do not seek the undetermined, I am available at a trial period 3-6 months and if later if I go well to the company it hires me undetermined if not. This is because I am aware of my abilities and I know I have no problem reaching the goals, as I am aware of the company’s risk of taking an undetermined white point.
-in salary optics (I know that higher pays arrive only after years of employment in the same company) it is advisable to expand the training also on the “design” or to specialize only on the cam?
- professional/economic growth I am convinced only arrives on medium/large structure enterprises, tell me if I am wrong.

I tried to be synthetic, if you read, I hope not to sin of presumption, it is only the pride of those who invested time and resources for a professional growth in which you believe.
thanks to those who will give me some extra input, if you have any questions I will be happy to answer you.

If I had a company capable of responding to your expectations, I would hire you with eyes closed indefinitely and, I would like to be the one to risk having to hold you.