unsatisfied neo-engineer

[Marco9669]

to me actually happened the opposite: I was always told that the formulas were understood, not learned by memory.
In fact, a professor always said: "I know that after the exam the formulas you have already forgotten. for this I ask you the meaning and their interpretation"

blessed you! from me in faculty only very few professors allowed the use of formulas, the other exams were learned by memory with formulas and demonstrations of everything. having understood the concepts was discounted in departure (it was not even present if there were no theoretical notions) the vote of the exam depended on how much you remembered the formulas and demonstrations. ..forwarding some formulas at the exam meant retrying the appeal.

 

[Vittorio]

I see that generations change but the problems remain those of 60 years ago.
I'm sorry to say and teachers don't want to, but they've done more damage to teachers than wars.
Of course I don't want to generalize. . But the percentages go for damage.

 

[stevie]

blessed you! from me in faculty only very few professors allowed the use of formulas, the other exams were learned by memory with formulas and demonstrations of everything. having understood the concepts was discounted in departure (it was not even present if there were no theoretical notions) the vote of the exam depended on how much you remembered the formulas and demonstrations. ..forwarding some formulas at the exam meant retrying the appeal.

an account is to have clear demonstrations and to know how to replicate them, another thing to learn by memory the formulas.. .

then even this thing that professors had no work experience... leaves me perplexed... where I studied the companies asked advice to the professors so I imagine they knew the fact they... sure they didn't pull the passes to the lathe or weld if you meant this for "work experience" ...

 

[Stan9411]

blessed you! from me in faculty only very few professors allowed the use of formulas, the other exams were learned by memory with formulas and demonstrations of all

I think you're the one who has always misunderstood what was required to do in your university career... if you understand the formula you don't have to learn it by heart... they're physical relationships, not poetry. describe the reality, directly or inversely you can always get a formula if you understand the problem to which it applies.

at first you start from the base and the revenues ... when you did this for tens of times in the end you can write them mechanically.. but it is not “learn them by heart” .. it is metabolize them

and you that the method of study should create it already in high school .. if for the whole university you have learned from memory instead of understanding, then we are fine ...

crazy stuff

 

[Marco9669]

as mentioned before... Apparently we made different engineers.
it was as easy as you say there would be so many retreats, rejections etc.
But all right, we defend the university system until the end!

where I studied the companies asked advice to professors so I imagine they knew the fact.

I also come university professors every now and then to counsel. .the reality is that they can't do anything but call them because they have the signature of the university "fa figo" and it seems that the product you sell is more "safe and efficient", but the reality is that often the product is perfect in departure.

 

[PIETRO2002]

I subscribe to the words of crude:

b.b...b. .

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

as mentioned before... Apparently we made different engineers.

It seems to me that you've been a university of allylogy, in the last few years quite frequented as it seems. because instead of trying to be an engineer you don't counsel, you'd be inquired and you'd finally wake up to this retrograde country.

 

[IronMike87]

and you that the method of study should create it already in high school .. if for the whole university you have learned from memory instead of understanding, then we are fine ...

Unfortunately, I can testify that I also had similar experiences. with the aggravating of a specific case: the same course, held by two different teachers but with shared program, in one case the examination was open bookNot the other one.
Then they wondered why there were so many questions of change of scaglione...
this to polimi 15 years ago

what I think is missing in all the Italian training system, is the lack of uniformity of judgment. starting from the examination of maturity, passing through university courses, arriving to the absurd of the scaglioni of the same courses.

I would also add difformity in the number of sustainable appeals. only 4 appeals in the academic year were found (and I believe they still have). other engineering faculties vary from 6 to 8 appeals, if not more.
I then lay a veil of pitiful envy on the other faculties7atenei (one of my best friends made industrial chemistry to the state of Milan and for some courses had 10 appeals per academic year )

 

[stevie]

as mentioned before... Apparently we made different engineers.
it was as easy as you say there would be so many retreats, rejections etc.
But all right, we defend the university system until the end!

I also come university professors every now and then to counsel. .the reality is that they can't do anything but call them because they have the signature of the university "fa figo" and it seems that the product you sell is more "safe and efficient", but the reality is that often the product is perfect in departure.

I don't have to defend anything. .
that the Italian university has problems is well known, first of all the fact that in my opinion there are too many graduates for the work outlets that the country offers (to hear instead some experts should graduate even more people, to do what then they should explain).
I have already explained to you that the main Italian problem is not universities but the poor quality and quantity of enterprises, if you want to continue to blame the universities continue as well.
If you had graduated from the boston myth and had returned to Italy (and you would have been a fool) you would probably have found the job you have now or not better. . .

 

[Diego90]

marco 9669 why don't you see the end of your studies as a starting point? instead of invering against the "system" stuffed the sleeves and daits to do to achieve your goals. what you write about is your opinion and current situation, investments and your ability to learn are evaluated over time. Want to earn more? do your best to do your job. Do you want to do a training course? If you have skills the company will invest on you. I'm sure you won't always be told, but I don't have to explain that. if you have skills and are aware of your value will not be a problem. I have followed graduates and graduates and I assure you that the approach to learning is very different (I certainly do not discriminate in either). then basic the discriminating factor is the "fame", there are "employees" and "entrepreneurs" employees see you what you want to be.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

as mentioned before... Apparently we made different engineers.
it was as easy as you say there would be so many retreats, rejections etc.
But all right, we defend the university system until the end!

Of course we defend him! not all of us are suitable for engineers and retreats and rejections show that the university system is working perfectly.

 

[Marco9669]

every now and then I really wonder what has created this aura of divinity to the figure of the engineer. hired in internships and paid as much as a 20-year-old at the threshold of 30 years. .
"not all of us are suitable for making engineers"... definitely yes, because some are not suitable for getting fucked up.

If you had graduated from the boston myth and had returned to Italy (and you would have been a fool) you would probably have found the job you have now or not better. . .

Well, you answered yourself.

Of course we defend him! not all of us are suitable for engineers and retreats and rejections show that the university system is working perfectly.

but we do not want to admit that the university is simply:
1) too long
2) does not form absolutely on nothing
3) does not repay the investment
4) too unnecessary stressful
or is it difficult to admit the truth?
I have a certain age, I can't make children because I can't afford it. Do you think I really care that I'm a engineer? better my friend who will wave his 50k in the bank and does not even know how the university is made but he in the meantime home can buy it while I am still with mine; Not to mention the fact that one thing is to live with parents at 20 years and save another thing is to live with parents who spent 26 years and if I even went to live alone I could not save. the truth is that money is made when you are young and I when I was young I studied useless cabbage.
but is it so difficult to see the reality of the facts or should we continue until death to encourage young people to take a path that is certainly failing in all senses?
Then you wonder why you don't make kids anymore.. see you, I finish university almost 26 years without a penny in my pocket and hired in internships. university is the reason that leads people to make children later and ruin people, this is the truth. the university as a "system" spoils the future of the country because it makes people forget that practice is the real engine of the economy not "chamber".
then I understand that he commented on it comes from a generation now "passed", maybe 50-60enni and then they lived another Italian and another situation, but I tell you the current situation; Maybe in the past it was.. not from the economic point of view and sincerely not from the formative point of view! and I repeat, I'm all too good because I was hired by family friends, it wasn't for that to them that didn't give a damn about anything that I was putting on the engineering title: They sent me home because they preferred to take a diploma to me since I finished the apprenticeship they must give me the 5th. as to put yourself in your own: if you put yourself in your own is definitely for your work experience and not for what you learned at university so a graduate has the same chances of a graduate.. if not more because more flexible and less square as a graduate.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

but is it so difficult to see the reality of the facts or should we continue until death to encourage young people to take a path that is certainly failing in all senses?

and you want to understand that your experience is only for you?

but we do not want to admit that the university is simply:
1) too long
2) does not form absolutely on nothing
3) does not repay the investment
4) too unnecessary stressful

I guess they forced you to complete it with the gun on your head.

but is it so difficult to see the reality of the facts or should we continue until death to encourage young people to take a path that is certainly failing in all senses?

If in 5 years you did not realize that it was not a failing choice maybe the problem is you and not the university. but also this is a selection.

Then you wonder why you don't make kids anymore.. see you, I finish university almost 26 years without a penny in my pocket and hired in internships. university is the reason that leads people to make children later and ruin people, this is the truth. the university as a "system" spoils the future of the country because it makes people forget that practice is the real engine of the economy not "chamber".

The ruin of the country is the people like you who gossips at the bar.

 

[Stan9411]

But you can't block this debate...? My mom..

 

[Marco9669]

I guess they forced you to complete it with the gun on your head.

I had already begun.

If in 5 years you did not realize that it was not a failing choice maybe the problem is you and not the university. but also this is a selection.

I had already started and I didn't want to throw away years. I was hoping for a miracle and promise.

and you want to understand that your experience is only for you?

That's not true.

The ruin of the country is the people like you who gossips at the bar.

Sure. I'm the problem. I work all week for the same salary of those who take citizenship income and work in pizzeria in black, but I am unworthy.
I expect the next criticism and offenses, so much here is since no one has arguments valid to fight but only offenses.

But you can't block this debate...? My mom..

They called it democracy.

 

[PIETRO2002]

dubai.

 

[stevie]

But I'm sorry how late you are?

 

[Archimede Pitagorico]

if marco9669 realizes that it is paid too little for its capabilities is the time to make the jump quality.

Marco9669.. open a p.i. and demonstrate to the world what and how vali (and it is not irony). If you think a p.i. "Prayers" more... Try us.. .
Good luck

 

[paulpaul]

I heard troll smell from the very first message...

I hate self-quote... but I do it and I'll throw up the dose! don't feed the troll!

 

[Mario SJPD]

I have a certain age, I can't make children because I can't afford it. Do you think I really care that I'm a engineer? better my friend who will wave his 50k in the bank and does not even know how the university is made but he in the meantime home can buy it while I am still with mine; Not to mention the fact that one thing is to live with parents at 20 years and save another thing is to live with parents who spent 26 years and if I even went to live alone I could not save. the truth is that money is made when you are young and I when I was young I studied useless cabbage

ok I understood your point of view on the university as you see it is discussed because your experience is not valid for everyone however you testified and thank you.
you have been made many observations and given many advice on how to get out of this situation that you find uncomfortable, I am curious to know if besides the perhaps legitimate complaints you have also listened to some advice or if someone has told you something useful.
to make it simple "adess that you were?" I translate "now what do you do? "
-Do you know how to do a job that you find inappropriate for your preparation and especially unpaid?
- are you looking for different jobs as an employee in Italy?
- Looking for different work outlets as an employee abroad?
Do you open your own business like an engineer or whatever?
-open your business iva as a designer that allows you to earn more?(in this case since it is my industry I could turn you something simple just to allow you to evaluate your current skills in this field)
What do you think can give you greater satisfaction and especially what seems more important an immediate gain?