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delighted, with my enthusiasm the company where I work is starting to design with a 3d program, solidworks.
for the moment we started with two licenses then ready with a future enlargement.
in the beginning the choice to my despite is to leave without pdm.
at this point we must choose a road that in the future does not result in a blind bond.
what are the "precautions" of the case to take not having the pdm? I would have thought of creating a new dedicated network resource. this to manage all files and related backups. I read in the forum that some have adopted the independent nas solution with so. how to manage backups? Currently we have the incremental copy of the recoverableutm up to two weeks earlier. but it is evident that with dwg file it is all another amount of data compared to 3d

 

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delighted, with my enthusiasm the company where I work is starting to design with a 3d program, solidworks.
for the moment we started with two licenses then ready with a future enlargement.
in the beginning the choice to my despite is to leave without pdm.
at this point we must choose a road that in the future does not result in a blind bond.
what are the "precautions" of the case to take not having the pdm? I would have thought of creating a new dedicated network resource. this to manage all files and related backups. I read in the forum that some have adopted the independent nas solution with so. how to manage backups? Currently we have the incremental copy of the recoverableutm up to two weeks earlier. but it is evident that with dwg file it is all another amount of data compared to 3d

Match with a dedicated server file, which then is a nas or a real computer just changes little. open and save files always on the server, and you'll never make a local copy with work pouring on the server in the evening, okay????? :biggrin: this to allow the various solidworks clients to have the same path of the files, so as not to fail to upload the assemblies and tables. Consider that cad 3d make a very extensive use of those that in autocad are x-refs, so it is very important to have a consistent file-system throughout the company. However, with a minimum of attention it will be possible to avoid the most serious problems.

a suggestion that I give you is to put on the file-server also the various settings of solidworks, including the models of part, together and table, so that they are always equal for all users.

It is important, as you said, given the amount of data, that the network is of good quality, i.e. fast and above all stable. These software make a continuous data exchange between client and server, and can go to encounter errors if the connection stops and restores while you have an open file.

 

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Yes... I had also thought about sharing everything including the various templates.
the network resource will have a folder dedicated to commercials divided into subfolders for families of parts, bearings, calettators, etc.
the dilemma for us is how to name the file. our company has a management and code is associated with a description with supplier, storage etc.
will the trade detail have the article code or a short description that serves to choose the component by utm?
If for example I have to use a 6002 bearing that has code 1111 is not easy to search along with all other codes of the same type.
can work the course to name the file with the description "cus.6002" and then in the properties create the item "code" and "description" that will be recalled in the axieme table?

 

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Yes... I had also thought about sharing everything including the various templates.
the network resource will have a folder dedicated to commercials divided into subfolders for families of parts, bearings, calettators, etc.
the dilemma for us is how to name the file. our company has a management and code is associated with a description with supplier, storage etc.
will the trade detail have the article code or a short description that serves to choose the component by utm?
If for example I have to use a 6002 bearing that has code 1111 is not easy to search along with all other codes of the same type.
can work the course to name the file with the description "cus.6002" and then in the properties create the item "code" and "description" that will be recalled in the axieme table?

Usually the most common thing is:

for drawing partsname_file = part codefor commercial partsname_file = something that reminds me of what isfor example: vtcei-m8x60.sldprt

then in the file properties you will put the code that refers to the management. Before you leave, you plan this part coding thing well, because mistakes made there are then paid forever, in the sense that it is very difficult to correct things.

a stupid example:

two file names written like this:

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vtcei-m 8 x 60.sldprt

They differ in space, right? Why did I do this? because so, if you have the screws folder, the screw

m 8 x 60

see listed before the screw

m10 x 60

and this seems like a cabbage, but as with these cads you continuously access the folders, you should also take care of these details of ergonomics and facilitate the search of the right file. By the way, try to avoid the proliferation of too many folders, otherwise you will apss your life to drain from one folder to another. to me it happened to see file-system with a folder for the brown elastic washers, one for the galvanized elastic washers, one for the flat washers for soft materials, one for the flat washers for hard materials, etc etc., in short, it takes the right moderation!

I then for important commercials I always before the name of the manufacturer, for example: festo_advu-20-40-a-p-a-cod.32456.par. this greatly facilitates the creation of ordered folders, and then searches (until you have pdm).

 

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regarding the appointment of the parts files to design commercial parts, your is the confirmation that I wanted. I have a question at this point. from the assieme generate the table of the components with the ballpoints of call. the table is divided into columns with:
code
quantity
Description
etc.
the "code" field for drawing parts is the name of the file, but for commercials? I'll see "something that reminds me of what it is" instead of the code or isn't it? because the code is not the name of the file but written in the properties inside.
or even the drawing part must contain a "code" property that repeats the file name and then associate to the axieme table not the file name but to the internal prppriety the part.

 

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regarding the appointment of the parts files to design commercial parts, your is the confirmation that I wanted. I have a question at this point. from the assieme generate the table of the components with the ballpoints of call. the table is divided into columns with:
code
quantity
Description
etc.
the "code" field for drawing parts is the name of the file, but for commercials? I'll see "something that reminds me of what it is" instead of the code or isn't it? because the code is not the name of the file but written in the properties inside.
or even the drawing part must contain a "code" property that repeats the file name and then associate to the axieme table not the file name but to the internal prppriety the part.

then, in the list table parts you will always put the code that recalls to the component's angraph (as you rightly say, and how you are accustomed to doing in 2d). The only difference is that usually for drawing parts the file name is "baptized" equal to the code, obviously less than the extension. This does not happen for commercials, for which this correspondence is not very common (and perhaps not desirable): I also had to deal with a company that gives the file of the commercial compost a name equal to the code of the chart, but in that case it becomes mandatory a pdm otherwise you don't take anything out anymore. I attach an example of two boards of two solid edge files, one commercial and one drawing.

I understand that at first it may seem complicated, but then when you do your hand it will become very simple (with swx a little less because you can have the same 3d file but with different anagram codes, because of configurations).

What I'm telling you, of course, is based on my experience, but there are so many other choices. :smile:

 

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thanks very clear this will be the most plausible of the solutions.
about the "read alone"? Could it be useful to put the business folder in read-only? In this way you would avoid modifying a file already filed correct are an unsolicited "save".
I have asked these questions also in assistance but they are always on the stand saying "depends on corporate philosophy", maybe in the future I will be more fortunate.
Good night

 

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about the "read alone"? Could it be useful to put the business folder in read-only? In this way you would avoid modifying a file already filed correct are an unsolicited "save".

companies often do it, but it can be a roam for changing parts like tire cylinders. actually depends on the "business philosophy". As long as you're only two, let it go, when you extend swx to the whole company, you'll start bringing the problem.

As a rule, the projects sent to production should also be put in "reading only", for which any changes would be managed with a new file with revision index 1, but this is done in a few. in jargon it is said that the file was "released", which is a translation from the English rfm released for manufacturing.

those that you will put in read alone will certainly be the templates (when done obviously).

 

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quoto what is said by hunter, for a management without pdm is correct. for commercials, if possible, I put the file name equal to the reference standard. For example, for the uni 5737 screws you may have only one side file with n configurations (one per measure) generated in a few minutes with a data table.
In this way you have the advantage of being able to replace with 2 clicks the measurement of the screw of a repeat instance and you find a few files to manage.
Otherwise you can make 1 file for each size but it is definitely + expensive in time frames.

 

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the question was whether to use the data tables or to generate a part for each different measure. for the screws it seems to me to understand it is better to do for every type e.g., tcei, etc and for every size only a part with the data table. while for other things like bearings, motors, calettators, even in this case should it be prepared with data tables? Or is it just worth the bolt?

 

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about creating a dedicated area for solidkorks drawings, how should you go looking for the design in case of need? example, call the craftsman asking for clarification on a piece to build, how do I know if to go looking for the code in the new area or in that of the drawings in dwg?

 

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about creating a dedicated area for solidkorks drawings, how should you go looking for the design in case of need? example, call the craftsman asking for clarification on a piece to build, how do I know if to go looking for the code in the new area or in that of the drawings in dwg?

Can you do as you do now with dwg, or do you think you can structure the archive differently?

I'm currently subdividing the drawings by client and then by contract, regardless of whether they're 3d or 2d, that's how I do it:

drawing parts:

\\server\dati\cliente\commessa\3d\assiemi and parts of the contract
\\server\dati\cliente\commessa\2d\signs of the parts mentioned above
\\server\dati\client\committee\ various documents

library parts:
\\server\dati\cliente\libreria\sottocartelle di commerciali

Consider that I am a ut working for outdoors, for that I add the middle folder "client", which you probably can avoid.

If instead images of throwing everything in a folder "solidworks drawing area", it becomes very desirable to use a pdm, otherwise the expulsion of the folder itself will become very slow to grow the number of drawings.

so in practice I would combine you to continue using the same scheme you use now, if not impossible for other reasons.

considers that win7-64 does not index network disks: this makes it impossible to use windows search and the similar function of solidworks that leans on (except recent additions).

 

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yes the intention was to reproduce the structure of dwg folders, which is of the type
\\server\utm sw\ archive drawings\e the various subfolders of the machine groups.
then the solidworks drawings are not inside a single folder, but divided with a certain logic attributable to the talking code of the drawing.
if I have a design that has xx xxx code as I know whether to go looking for the dwg area or that created for solidworks? we in the company can understand to "eye" looking at the table if it was made in 3d so we will go looking in those solidworks, but it is an interpretation that can not be certain.

 

[Ivan1990]

yes the intention was to reproduce the structure of dwg folders, which is of the type
\\server\utm sw\ archive drawings\e the various subfolders of the machine groups.
then the solidworks drawings are not inside a single folder, but divided with a certain logic attributable to the talking code of the drawing.
if I have a design that has xx xxx code as I know whether to go looking for the dwg area or that created for solidworks? we in the company can understand to "eye" looking at the table if it was made in 3d so we will go looking in those solidworks, but it is an interpretation that can not be certain.

the problem would be to find it if an operator asks you information if I understood correctly, if you put a window in the small cartiglio where you write in light grey sw that stands for solidworks, so you could ask the operator in the cartiglio there is a voice called sw, in this way you wouldn't have trouble understanding in what folder to go looking for if dwg or sw... :biggrin:

 

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the problem would be to find it if an operator asks you information if I understood correctly, if you put a window in the small cartiglio where you write in light grey sw that stands for solidworks, so you could ask the operator in the cartiglio there is a voice called sw, in this way you wouldn't have trouble understanding in what folder to go looking for if dwg or sw... :biggrin:

there is also who prints on the drawing the full file path in the file-system! :wink:

 

[Ivan1990]

there is also who prints on the drawing the full file path in the file-system! :wink:

I had thought about it, but it's a bit long to get the route on the phone, it was more intuitive sw :biggrin:

 

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the solution to put a light gray symbol in a corner seems to me the most practical, then in addition to the piece in the classic views we will always put the isomtrica.
with regard to the compilation of the cartiglio the notes will be connected to the various properties of the solid as it is used to do, as: designed, approved, mass, code, material... .
but all of them? also the size of the rough type "translated 15x10x35" or "non-quoted r=2"; in the sense do some items of the cartiglio fill in hand only in the table? How are you doing?

 

[Ivan1990]

the solution to put a light gray symbol in a corner seems to me the most practical, then in addition to the piece in the classic views we will always put the isomtrica.
with regard to the compilation of the cartiglio the notes will be connected to the various properties of the solid as it is used to do, as: designed, approved, mass, code, material... .
but all of them? also the size of the rough type "translated 15x10x35" or "non-quoted r=2"; in the sense do some items of the cartiglio fill in hand only in the table? How are you doing?

so many takes them automatically other you have to insert them into the model, then when you learn you will do as you most convenient, for example on the table I have automatically compiled my name the company name, date of creation part, date of last modification, code(name of the table when saved), weight, and material, name(name of model 3d).
I do it every time directly in the 3d model in case of special treatments or processing robes that happen occasionally. the info are directly saved in model 3d.

 

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but all of them? also the size of the rough type "translated 15x10x35" or "non-quoted r=2"; in the sense do some items of the cartiglio fill in hand only in the table? How are you doing?

This can be useful!

you can create templates both on the side (with semi-finished already parameterized and with the variables put for benign) and for the cutting distinte.

give a look to the "structural members", who have these info already pre-compiled so that it goes well to 99% of users! :smile:

 

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to insert in the drawing boards the symbols of superficial roughness there is another method not to write every time the degree of roughness in the symbol? Can't you create a library? I have read in previous discussions that some as a hunter have created blocks that however copy, resume from old tables. It seems a bit slender, even because I imagine that the blocks I create do not feel the geometry of the design and are not automatically adjustable with the quota, but you have to turn them and apply them manually. If I remember well in solidedge I could create them and manage them well.