Tequila
Guest
I would invade the lung... (Translated with Google Translate)
MarcoBi
Guest
I would retire with 33 million vouchers + my liquidation. ...
Er Presidente
Guest
the most rigorous epa, of which we speak, are those that will enter into force in 2017 (wltp), therefore not inherent in the circulating park.
The thing that doesn't fit me is that the "alternative" evidence would seem like they did it on the road, so following the wltp.
unless vw has stated that cars sold in America are already "wltp compliance" with the "truck" I don't see any problems.
But if the vw lied about wltp for commercial reasons (I say something I wouldn't have to do to make me more beautiful) the problem would only concern the American market and could not be a problem of 2009.
unless vw did not declare the fake on the wltp but actually the trick had not already "in operation" since 2009 and then it would be the tragedy, the test done (impropriately) with the wltp would have been just a slutty horse.
with this scenario it would seem that the declaration (possible) of vw to respect already the wltp must have suspected competition (in the globalized world nobody does miracles alone) that would "sollecitate" the test then discover the cheating, a cheating that vw, in fact, would have been in place for a long time. When the ad asked his "but did we make up the wltp evidence?" the answer would be "certain mein fuhrer, as always!" and then the tragedy is very big.
Er Presidente
Guest
the "machinery" and the cycle are the same, normally at the end of the test of emissions you also have the data of consumption. formally, however, would be two distinct evidence and can also be made separately.
Lettore espatriato
Guest
Good morning President,
I don't know. It was also interesting to me that in recent months, precisely with the "clean diesel" , the volkswagen (and the audience in particular) had gained large percentages on the North American market shares.
about the "remembers" ... there were also the volvos 740 and 760, of course sw, who were struggling to stand under 80% of opacity, even by new ones.
but to what I read on the stroke, the rest of the pollutants was extensively under the norm (directing the particulate under the measuring threshold) .... looks like an ad hoc test....
MBT
Guest
and meanwhile, volkswagen charges bmw...http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/mond...86-milioni-pensione-094211.shtml?uuid=acqtvl3
MBT
Guest
But this seems to be the chronicle of events.
(to always take with great caution)
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...erta-per-caso-da-ricercatori-curiosi/2056326/
volkswagen fraud on emissions, scam discovered by curious researchers
the discovery happened by chance, thanks to an independent and non-profit organization that, after testing in Europe a volkswagen jetta, a pass and a bmw x5, decided to subject to the same examination the American versions of the three cars. result? nothing strange for bmw, abnormous emissions for volkwagen. from here the federal investigation that brought vw to the admission: Yes, it mounted on 482,000 cars a software to bypass verifications
“something didn’t work. the volkswagen were regurgitating harmful emissions in road tests, while in the lab everything was fine.” Thus begins the detailed reconstruction of bloomberg regarding the discovery of the maxi fraud of the volkswagen group in America, which led to the collapse of the stock in stock exchange and that could imply a fine of 18 billion dollars. the discrepancies between consumption measured in the laboratory and those detected on the road were discovered almost by chance by peter mock, director of the European section of the international council on clean transportation (icct), an independent and non-profit organization that deals with transport and environment.
the stroke had conducted a test on the European versions of three diesel cars, a volkswagen jetta, a vw passt and a bmw x5; road surveys had shown that European tests for pollutants, particularly nox nitrogen oxides, were not the real driving situation on the road. a known problem, due to the fact that roller tests do not reflect the real conditions of use: not by chance the European cycle of approval of consumption and emissions will change in 2017. at that point in mock comes a strange idea: Since American standards are the hardest in the world, why not run the same test with the American versions of the three cars? Mock and his American counterpart, John German, were sure that the cars for the use would brilliantly exceed European measurements on road emissions. Thus, the two responsible for stroke today say, they would prove that by imposing strict regulations like the American one, diesels could be really cleaned. just what the volkswagen said for years advertising its “clean diesel”. but here the unpredictable happens: mock and German unknowingly unknowingly a vase of pandora.
for laboratory tests, scholars turn to california air resources board (carb): all three models pass the verification without problems. for road, German and its measurements call for help at the University of West Virginia, which provides the portable emissions measurement system, a sort of box to be fixed in the trunk of the car. testers drive cars from san diego to seattle, a journey of 1,300 miles (over 2,000 km) in various driving conditions. when receiving the results of road tests, German cannot believe in his eyes: in the real guide, jet nox emissions exceeded the limits of 15-35 times, those of 5-20 times. the bmw x5, on the other hand, was within limits.
at that point, in May 2014, the carb and the federal agency for the protection of the environment epa open an investigation on the volkswagen. the dialogue between the parties goes on for several months, with the volkswagen trying to replicate to the data obtained from the west virginia university; the German company says it has identified the reasons why the emissions were so high and in December 2014 launches a call to update the software of about half a million vehicles sold in America. California carb, however, does not quit, continues to test the volkswagen even after the upgrade and does not see any improvements.
in July 2015 the carb communicates its perplexity to the hepa, which obtains that the volkswagen is not granted certification to sell the latest models (the so-called “model year 2016”) in the United States until they clarify the issue of exhaust gases. volkswagen still tries, suggesting technical reasons to justify the discrepancy, until it is really denied certification to sell in use. “On that point, the volkswagen admitted that it had designed and installed on a device that thanks to a complicated algorithm identified when the vehicle was under examination”, wrote the hepa in the official communication widespread last Friday, and limited only in that particular circumstance the emissions of pollutants. the software was included in 482,000 vehicles sold in America between 2009 and 2015. “We have no idea whether this would happen in Europe or China,” said the German researcher, “but we think that the question should be put, especially where states do not have the knowledge and legal authority they have in the United States.”
(to always take with great caution)
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...erta-per-caso-da-ricercatori-curiosi/2056326/
volkswagen fraud on emissions, scam discovered by curious researchers
the discovery happened by chance, thanks to an independent and non-profit organization that, after testing in Europe a volkswagen jetta, a pass and a bmw x5, decided to subject to the same examination the American versions of the three cars. result? nothing strange for bmw, abnormous emissions for volkwagen. from here the federal investigation that brought vw to the admission: Yes, it mounted on 482,000 cars a software to bypass verifications
“something didn’t work. the volkswagen were regurgitating harmful emissions in road tests, while in the lab everything was fine.” Thus begins the detailed reconstruction of bloomberg regarding the discovery of the maxi fraud of the volkswagen group in America, which led to the collapse of the stock in stock exchange and that could imply a fine of 18 billion dollars. the discrepancies between consumption measured in the laboratory and those detected on the road were discovered almost by chance by peter mock, director of the European section of the international council on clean transportation (icct), an independent and non-profit organization that deals with transport and environment.
the stroke had conducted a test on the European versions of three diesel cars, a volkswagen jetta, a vw passt and a bmw x5; road surveys had shown that European tests for pollutants, particularly nox nitrogen oxides, were not the real driving situation on the road. a known problem, due to the fact that roller tests do not reflect the real conditions of use: not by chance the European cycle of approval of consumption and emissions will change in 2017. at that point in mock comes a strange idea: Since American standards are the hardest in the world, why not run the same test with the American versions of the three cars? Mock and his American counterpart, John German, were sure that the cars for the use would brilliantly exceed European measurements on road emissions. Thus, the two responsible for stroke today say, they would prove that by imposing strict regulations like the American one, diesels could be really cleaned. just what the volkswagen said for years advertising its “clean diesel”. but here the unpredictable happens: mock and German unknowingly unknowingly a vase of pandora.
for laboratory tests, scholars turn to california air resources board (carb): all three models pass the verification without problems. for road, German and its measurements call for help at the University of West Virginia, which provides the portable emissions measurement system, a sort of box to be fixed in the trunk of the car. testers drive cars from san diego to seattle, a journey of 1,300 miles (over 2,000 km) in various driving conditions. when receiving the results of road tests, German cannot believe in his eyes: in the real guide, jet nox emissions exceeded the limits of 15-35 times, those of 5-20 times. the bmw x5, on the other hand, was within limits.
at that point, in May 2014, the carb and the federal agency for the protection of the environment epa open an investigation on the volkswagen. the dialogue between the parties goes on for several months, with the volkswagen trying to replicate to the data obtained from the west virginia university; the German company says it has identified the reasons why the emissions were so high and in December 2014 launches a call to update the software of about half a million vehicles sold in America. California carb, however, does not quit, continues to test the volkswagen even after the upgrade and does not see any improvements.
in July 2015 the carb communicates its perplexity to the hepa, which obtains that the volkswagen is not granted certification to sell the latest models (the so-called “model year 2016”) in the United States until they clarify the issue of exhaust gases. volkswagen still tries, suggesting technical reasons to justify the discrepancy, until it is really denied certification to sell in use. “On that point, the volkswagen admitted that it had designed and installed on a device that thanks to a complicated algorithm identified when the vehicle was under examination”, wrote the hepa in the official communication widespread last Friday, and limited only in that particular circumstance the emissions of pollutants. the software was included in 482,000 vehicles sold in America between 2009 and 2015. “We have no idea whether this would happen in Europe or China,” said the German researcher, “but we think that the question should be put, especially where states do not have the knowledge and legal authority they have in the United States.”
Andrea Bellachioma
Guest
I'm going off topic, but I have a curiosity.
Why should an American buy a diesel car when it has considerable disadvantages than the gas counterpart?
I checked the data, and I noticed that diesel costs more than green.
Why should an American buy a diesel car when it has considerable disadvantages than the gas counterpart?
I checked the data, and I noticed that diesel costs more than green.
MBT
Guest
not that I am.. .
the diesel should cost suppergiù like the "regular" gasoline that however has low number of octane and is used only on the old engines
comparing it to "midgrade" and "premium", diesel is however in advantage
both as cost to gallon and as miles per gallon
http://www.texasgasprices.com/gaspricesearch.aspx?fuel=bthen... as in Italy, prices vary. you should make comparison "to the same brand"
Andrea Bellachioma
Guest
I checked through this site,but actually your clarification is correct,thanks.http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
stefanobruno
Guest
You have to protect it with copyright, if you notice the chief editors steal it, good!German mock = fake German, is a coincidence
I don't think so:
MBT
Guest
German mock = fake German, is a coincidence
I don't think so:
and if he notices it, they make a whole episode of voyager!
numero1
Guest
... and maybe invite me, so I can fuck all the dirty komplottten tedesken etc. etc.
rockfeller, Masons, neanderthal man etc. etc.
because if you do not know neanderthal man comes from inderthal = no Indian thal
which immediately leads us to connect the perfidious merkel with agartha, Hindus, India etc. etc.
If a plotter reads this post jumps like a kangaroo.........
rockfeller, Masons, neanderthal man etc. etc.
because if you do not know neanderthal man comes from inderthal = no Indian thal
which immediately leads us to connect the perfidious merkel with agartha, Hindus, India etc. etc.
If a plotter reads this post jumps like a kangaroo.........
Lettore espatriato
Guest
If I'm not mistaken, the bosch shares are falling, it'll be because the bag follows kazzenger:cool. .
Lettore espatriato
Guest
Good morning.
I'd say, "the cleanest has the snare." ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34425306However in the service concerned they examined a vw passat and a ford focus, both turbodiesel.
both, in road tests (with which cycle, according to which standard, they know only ...) issued 4 to 5 times the maximum limit provided in the homologation. as well as in consumption the ford passes from 63 mpg declared to 44 or so of "effective".
Strange. with my multijet point I can switch to consume (on a stretch of 1000-1500 km) from 15 km/l to 22km/l. depends on how I drive. What would be the standard? 15km/l or 22 km/l?
beyond the possible scams that could have been there, I just need to define a common standard. that then be the step of the uphill slope or the downhill breeze, I don't care.
I'd say, "the cleanest has the snare." ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34425306However in the service concerned they examined a vw passat and a ford focus, both turbodiesel.
both, in road tests (with which cycle, according to which standard, they know only ...) issued 4 to 5 times the maximum limit provided in the homologation. as well as in consumption the ford passes from 63 mpg declared to 44 or so of "effective".
Strange. with my multijet point I can switch to consume (on a stretch of 1000-1500 km) from 15 km/l to 22km/l. depends on how I drive. What would be the standard? 15km/l or 22 km/l?
beyond the possible scams that could have been there, I just need to define a common standard. that then be the step of the uphill slope or the downhill breeze, I don't care.
Lettore espatriato
Guest
Good morning.
here the point of view of an Italian researcher who works in vw.http://www.corriere.it/economia/15_...me-a81d11fe-71c7-11e5-b015-f1d3b8f071aa.shtml
here the point of view of an Italian researcher who works in vw.http://www.corriere.it/economia/15_...me-a81d11fe-71c7-11e5-b015-f1d3b8f071aa.shtml
cacciatorino
Guest
I read it yesterday. basically this engineer says that the problem arises from the thirst for self-affirmation of technicians, that is: my maximum aspiration in life is to hear me say "bravo", and then, if I can't reach the goal place me, make the data to make me say "bravo" the same.
It seems to me a bit of a force, in the sense that since the author thinks so, it is natural to achieve that everyone uses the same mental schemes. I mean, the writer makes the mistake of projecting on others what exists in his mind, but usually when it is done so, gross evaluation errors are made.
Max-C
Guest
well now they have begun to "enlarge" controls.http://corrieredelveneto.corriere.i...ell-azienda-2302053119939.shtml?refresh_ce-cp