marcof
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I hope I'm already retired. It would be fine anyway.
the best care, depending on me, would be a nice globalized failure of these sellers of avaried goods.
the best care, depending on me, would be a nice globalized failure of these sellers of avaried goods.
SHIREN
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ciao
[MENTION=286]Matteo[/MENTION]That's right.
we had a known sw license since 2008 without maintenance
we had a need to take another license and update the old
all online we know the dealer only through the web
online installation
online tips
na boat of money naturally online
manutanzione for a year of course online
that I don't know when we're gonna be shocking
[MENTION=271]marcof[/MENTION] you're right
and better to retire (if we camp)
or better unemployed
Thank you very much
Lettore espatriato
Guest
Lettore espatriato
Guest
I guess the money boat was the same as it was on-site. Am I wrong?
SHIREN
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hi reader...... .
of course and as if this "signor-representative-web retailers"
If the plane or the high speed takes a day to go and come and you come to solve the prob
Thank you very much
marcof
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in fact I stopped in 2013. I was already in 2011 but I wanted to challenge the fate and see if I really reduced the "time to market" (rotfl). I found that it was reduced only by increasing the number of hours spent making chips after using the cad, I decided that 2013 is enough and advances until win7 will no longer even turn on refurbished machines
I am convinced that what appears in your profile doesn't smell much less than mine. :wink:
the only singular thing about this commodity is that when it is fresh it smells to die and the more time passes and the more it becomes edible. always leaves an avariate aftertaste, even at the last sp:tongue:
320i S
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According to me the most obvious evolution of the cad will see the slow and progressive abandonment of the detailed 2d design, in favor of a 3d image measurable on the various media (tablet, smartphone and pc of rapid consultation).
already where they are now, the 2d is used only for general data combined with the worksheet (so encumbrance, separate data such as code, material, quantity etc.), all the rest is on the exported 3d model which in the department use directly for the cam and controls in cmm.
already where they are now, the 2d is used only for general data combined with the worksheet (so encumbrance, separate data such as code, material, quantity etc.), all the rest is on the exported 3d model which in the department use directly for the cam and controls in cmm.
SHIREN
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Hi.
I think it'll take at least another century.
then for small things already function so
but for great assemblies where those who must transfer to third parties or to others an avalanche of changes or information
the paper where to mark the revisions will never go in disuse
and then there is an international rule to which judges and lawyers refer
in case of prob. or disputes between who performs the job and who provides it
That's right.
the old paper drawing sheet with all info and signed
3d mathematical models do not count
counts black on white
I'll give you an example
[tutto il resto è sul modello 3D esportato che in reparto usano direttamente per il CAM e i controlli in CMM.[/QUOTE]in this case it is quite normal that you refer only to 3d
you have to run a cam+ path
Thank you very much
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folle76
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for me the last future of the cad will be like that occorso to the tecnigraph. extinction.
Obviously it is difficult to imagine, but proceeding by analogies I try to make it.
with the tecnigraph it proceeded from a set of lines that properly projected on the views intended to represent a body or a set of solid bodies. These properly combined solids intend to illustrate in detail the construction solution adopted to meet mechanical functions.
cad 3d starts directly from the solid, instead of the lines of the tecnigraph.
If I imagine regardless of the purely geometric part of the modeling to pass directly to the functionality, I imagine a huge database of mechanical components whose geometric shape is purely sketched and detailed only for the interface zones between component and component. the designer will assemble these black boxes and define maximum parameters. once the skeleton of rectangles, ovals and ellipses is made, it will touch the topological modeler and its algorithms make static checks, recover any trade components already shaped to be adopted as a first attempt solution and then proceed to structural optimization, fluidodynamics and the manufacturing cycle using the fea but above all similar cases already treated and inserted in a huge database of projects already executed. in practice the new cad will remain everything already designed and tested. just revolutions, holes, extrusions, blend etc... but pins, bearings, brackets, supports... interest will move from the geometric definition of the object to its functionality.
I apologize if I have been prolisso and visionary, but I have done 3 days of consecutive holidays and I have forgotten about the cellarers to whom I will beatly reunite tomorrow.
Obviously it is difficult to imagine, but proceeding by analogies I try to make it.
with the tecnigraph it proceeded from a set of lines that properly projected on the views intended to represent a body or a set of solid bodies. These properly combined solids intend to illustrate in detail the construction solution adopted to meet mechanical functions.
cad 3d starts directly from the solid, instead of the lines of the tecnigraph.
If I imagine regardless of the purely geometric part of the modeling to pass directly to the functionality, I imagine a huge database of mechanical components whose geometric shape is purely sketched and detailed only for the interface zones between component and component. the designer will assemble these black boxes and define maximum parameters. once the skeleton of rectangles, ovals and ellipses is made, it will touch the topological modeler and its algorithms make static checks, recover any trade components already shaped to be adopted as a first attempt solution and then proceed to structural optimization, fluidodynamics and the manufacturing cycle using the fea but above all similar cases already treated and inserted in a huge database of projects already executed. in practice the new cad will remain everything already designed and tested. just revolutions, holes, extrusions, blend etc... but pins, bearings, brackets, supports... interest will move from the geometric definition of the object to its functionality.
I apologize if I have been prolisso and visionary, but I have done 3 days of consecutive holidays and I have forgotten about the cellarers to whom I will beatly reunite tomorrow.
Lettore espatriato
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I agree, fully.
Some software houses are testing software like this where the designer, for example, only inserts the stresses, points where to apply them and any other features to take into account. Then the software processes a limited number of options, including the designer will select one from which the software will depart to make further optimizations. And so on.
the theme switching from 2d cad to 3d noted is a very small part of the entire design process. In my opinion, switching exclusively from 2d to 3d noted means not having understood where are the " bottlenecks" of design (and production).
when a piece is wrong because the colleague in wool, india or in america did not "release" the updated bumper, you can have it in 2d, 3d. always wrong is.
Er Presidente
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true but apart from the time lost unnecessarily to make useless beautiful tables in 2d, today a 2d design of a modern bumper of a car is impossible to realize (useful for construction I mean).
marcof
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Fascinating vision, but for the aesthetic part that encloses these black boxes as we put it? Let's get that algorithm to choose?
Oh, the incipit with "the huge database" made me think of the final monologue of Dr. Strangemore, when strangeness explains the criteria by which the specimens of the human race will be chosen that they will have to survive "at the end of the world" :wink:
320i S
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in this case it is quite normal that you refer only to 3d
you have to run a cam+ path
Thank you very much[/QUOTE]on the purely "legal" side, when the workers will understand that the 3d in addition to being more easily understood by anyone (the technical design is not exactly at the reach of non-professionals, will go from if they demand this format and no longer the cards, obvious that in Italy it is worth more paper than anything (with the limits of all this), we will perhaps the last to adapt us.
for the speech of large assemblies, it is a purely philosophy speech, I managed more complex models of this where if I put the tolerances in 3d, I could manage it as the paper, with the advantage that with the cam, I was not forced to put rounded quotas to have a "human" value for those who read the drawing, without counting the being able to safely avoid putting at least 80% of the quotas.
320i S
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and not only that, it already suffices a gauge of control of a lighthouse of a car where 90% of the quotas is impossible to put in the main views, a small piece would require an a0, let alone the main mask of insertion and locking headlight. ...
PaoloColombani
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This is beautiful!
PaoloColombani
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I am quite persuaded that the cad of the future will see migrating attention from geometry to functionality. However, it is said that design is an art in which the designer is facing unexpected problems that will solve by using his own experience, his own intuition and, why not, also his own aesthetic sense for things, as in a good euristic approach. all these elements become part of the creative path that leads to the development of the project. I think wondering if a cad will be able to deal with such a task is a bit like wondering if a car will be able to think.
SHIREN
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Hi.
I am making a moment of effort to understand the reasons why the masses should disappear at the table
and related paper sheets
I have been in the forum for over 10 years (before there was another one)
and one of the first discussions was what the drawings in format 2d or dwg-dxf etc.
had the days counted
I think you keep drawing in 2d
some said that even the drawing to the tecnigraph or by hand would have disappeared or extinct
I also draw by hand and also on the tecnigraph (I attach an example)
someone took for example the car lights
This example is not worth
for them we have always built control gauges with many comparisons in strategic positions
no one has ever dreamed of measuring a headlight even when they were flat crystal plates
software house??? ? ?
in the last 10 years we have paid for a series of mails cad other 50,000€ for updates or annual maintenance as well as the cost of purchasing licenses
to today with all sti updates we do the same work of 10-and even 20 years ago
in practice we could have done so
this to say that if in 20 years the software house has been invented little or nothing
how do I think they manage to eliminate the 2d paper etc etc.
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320i S
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Well I can tell you that from me the paper design use it to the maximum to identify the pieces once done, simply because they don't want to manage the code with a dresser (we work as a contractor).
but if you think about the tools you need to make the card disappear, there are all, from pdf 3d to exchange emails with whom a cad does not have it, to the viewers for the mounts.
It is a matter of mindset and desire to "evolve" people.
Of course even a simple cut center of the crude, must have a pc or similar.
but if I think that 10 years ago was utopia a viewer or a cam that loaded a step/iges, now they are practically normal and in certain sectors (automotive for example) has become a necessity.
the example of the lights is one, but tell me a particular of a car with a minimum of complexity of today that must be managed by force with a complete paper of all the quotas for its realization.
and the automotive and similar sectors are the current pioneers of modern construction technologies, so much so that in some fields it has exceeded the areospace (especially for the numbers that the automotive now ago).
cacciatorino
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Yeah!
I take care of automatic machines, so it's the realm of the turned and the milled, but more and more often now it happens to make tools or cradles where in the 2d quoti only the fixing part to the frame of the machine, and for the rest write:
fresare a mathematics - request file step to the shopping office
SHIREN
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Hi hunting..........
does not apply as an example
:36_6_6:
if in that milling you have mechanical holes or triggers
you need the table
with tolerances and regulations in use
a hug
Thank you very much