what is the future of the cad??

[gil]

we want to ask some "trucholator" if you prefer to work on a drawing on paper
or on a "ipad ipod ifon etc"

This craft of the "truder" will tend to become more and more niche, I think in the future there will be machines increasingly capable of replacing man. So today's maker will come to retirement by doing that job there, but who comes after or evolves, becoming a cnc programmer for example, or stays on the street. Alternatively, it will continue to work by hand but as a highly qualified specialist, because making "trucks" are also good in wool, india or congo at a much cheaper price.

Today's junior designers don't even know what a tecnigraph is, they can't fold a table. .

These cursed modern times, in my time when you raised a flock of sheep to make us parchment, you went from the fish to make up for the ink of cuttlefish and drew by candlelight because electricity had not yet been invented. we Cistercian miniators that we were good, not like the designers of the 18th century who use demonic tools like line and compact!

Another speech is the introduction of a new category of cad, type 123 of autodesk or scketup, perhaps less powerful and with less functions. but much more intuitive. between 10 or 15 years, there will be people who will design with the tablet and a pen, in 3d. certainly will not be real projects but only sketches, but who knows, maybe they will be able to erode in the simplest design market.

 

[320i S]

This craft of the "truder" will tend to become more and more niche, I think in the future there will be machines increasingly capable of replacing man. So today's maker will come to retirement by doing that job there, but who comes after or evolves, becoming a cnc programmer for example, or stays on the street. Alternatively, it will continue to work by hand but as a highly qualified specialist, because making "trucks" are also good in wool, india or congo at a much cheaper price.

the "truder" is also converting him, I have a dear friend who has an aunt of mechanical processing and is the first to tell me that it must be obligatory to update to working centers and no more on machine tools manual and semi-manual, even if the productive numbers on which he specialized, they would seem not requirerl (even batches from 1 piece)
this because as much as one can be good, I am increasingly asking for parts worked with finishes and details, that a traditional machine can not actually do with the same ease of a working center where a math was loaded.

 

[marcof]

minchia but the essence of design is not the tool, it is the idea and the product you design. Is it so bad to do it better before and without being able to burn neurons uselessly?

This is exactly the problem all you want to design at cost (mental) zero! If you don't want to make some neurons you need to use it! Señor' we will come to claim that word writes from if literary works!

I usually write that I didn't explain well, but in this case I can't do it because I explained very well, now and in the past.
because I don't like to think that you're in a malafede opto because you didn't understand a snitch of what I wrote.
I didn't write "use some neurons", go read carefully, I wrote ""burning neurons Needlessly"; is it clear to you the substantial difference between what I wrote and what you attributed to me by taking whistles for whistles?
of course no one claims to design the new model of a380 without use some neurons. I (I don't know you) claim instead to be able to focus on the forms and functions that I want to give to the object I'm thinking without worrying about having pulled all the lines from one view to the other or two views to a third to get a section.
that the complete 2d representation of a complex object is unnecessarily farraginous but absolutely unnatural is so evident that I feel a little embarrassed to have to explain it.

I'm 30 years old.

I do I'm not old man, and I have 52. not want me, but from what you write about design 2d and its intrinsic value you would say that you are 87 years old

but more than the new design tools I'm becoming allergic to new designers who call themselves designers because they can extrude a cube in 3d!

Let's not dive with sports bar talk. you are throwing the child with dirty water and you want to attribute to the 3d who knows what fault bringing for example the donkey designer. have you had to deal with designers/projectors that are worth nothing? I'm sorry for you, but the cad (or the tecnigraph or pencil) has nothing to do with it. I have already written it in the other post: Czech to start from the assumption that not all are donkeys and try to make an assessment of the potential of a tool imagining to know how to do your job, or translate into a project to send in production an idea.

 

[marcof]

we want to ask some "trucholator" if you prefer to work on a drawing on paper
or on a "ipad ipod ifon etc"
(cut)
eliminate 2d is utopia
Unfortunately I must repeat
we have been talking about it for 15 years in the forum when the r13 version existed and then r14 autocad2000
we are at the 2017 version of autocad

I am, first of all, a maker. I went from the tecnigraph to the cad2d in 1993. I hated cad 2d to death just for the huge amount of paper that forced me to produce not being able to work on a monitor a0 while on my fantastic tecnigraph nestler florett 1300x 2600 mm at the mass I used two a0 and the second was the definitive one.
in 1999 I went to solidworks and since then practically nothing molds except for templates to cut out. the measurements I see on monitors, on 3d or on table since 3d.
You don't come and tell me that it takes five pounds of paper so that the workshop can produce what you want because they are atomic dances.
also the unto and bisunto shaver with the key of 42 and the peat look available to the maximum to draw with the sharp brick pencil with the flexible broke the balls and it is time to retire! :wink:

 

[mariuss.r]

also the unto and bisunto shaver with the key of 42 and the peat look available to the maximum to draw with the sharp brick pencil with the flexible broke the balls and it is time to retire! :wink:

to quote and send for copy knowledge to the furnace!!

 

[SHIREN]

to quote and send for copy knowledge to the furnace!!

:4406::

grande donna la fornero

 

[SHIREN]

I am, first of all, a maker. I went from the tecnigraph to the cad2d in 1993. I hated cad 2d to death just for the huge amount of paper that forced me to produce not being able to work on a monitor a0 while on my fantastic tecnigraph nestler florett 1300x 2600 mm at the mass I used two a0 and the second was the definitive one.
in 1999 I went to solidworks and since then practically nothing molds except for templates to cut out. the measurements I see on monitors, on 3d or on table since 3d.
You don't come and tell me that it takes five pounds of paper so that the workshop can produce what you want because they are atomic dances.
also the unto and bisunto shaver with the key of 42 and the peat look available to the maximum to draw with the sharp brick pencil with the flexible broke the balls and it is time to retire! :wink:

[MENTION=271]marcof[/MENTION]you want to see that in "my company" we do not love technology
you want to see that in "my company" we do not love innovation

but as in all things it takes balance

who loves only in 2d and out of time
who loves only in 3d is out of the logic of current production

I agree with you when you say that neutrons are consumed for
side view dex
side view six
view in the plant
transversal sez
false view
assonometry knights
assonometric view

(p.s.) but how many know the sight knights

once we were in few (na pleasantzza)
we are so many
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:36_1_4:
a hug marcof
Thank you very much

 

[Matteo]

instead of the logic "3d" vs "2d" (I am for the 3d, but the 2d will never disappear, simply it will change the context of use and the information contained by the 2d), I propose other "dualisms":

• workspace vs file system
• vertical vs horizontal
• explicit vs direct (I use both, while I don't convince hybrids)
• single thread vs multi thread (magari...)
• complete suite (e.g. inventor or catia or curtainly siemens) or opening to plugins (although having a quite complete suite, type spaceclaim swx, creo)
• perpetual license or rental?
• license server or locked node?
• opengl or directx graphics
• windows only o multi os?

The answer will be, in many cases, depends on the sector and application, but I still feel interesting.

 

[Er Presidente]

I totally agree with marcof.
In my opinion... old age begins when you find yourself thinking with nostalgia for the good times gone...

I don't know how to interpret this statement. ..however I admire the courage... me the risk....

 

[SHIREN]

I don't know how to interpret this statement. ..however I admire the courage... me the risk....

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:36_1_4:

 

[Gabriele SWX]

Good evening, everyone.
however we remember also that:
-often the drawings 2d even paper stamped and signed have contractual value.
-It is very difficult to attach to a 3d model all annotations related to painting, superficial porosity, material hardness, any surface treatments, thermal etc.
work with very large companies in the motor industry and still for the prevention and realization of their composts makes faith the design in format 2d.

Gabriele