working office consulting mechanical engineering

[exxon]

reading above and rereading the thread linked by mammals a consideration comes spontaneously: cad 3d are extraordinary tools: They're performance amplifiers.

if given in hand to prepared designers, they amplify their potential in an unthinkable way before their advent. if given in hand to insects, they amplify their bullshit until they make them pathetic.

and this, regardless of whether prepared designers are graduates or not, or whether injects are students, engineers or university professors.

 

[mekeuro]

hi, I have about 6 months of various experiences during the degree of mechanical engineering in which I worked as a designer in a company of realization of small food automation plants and an internship in the office as a collaboration for a retrofit of machine tool vertical lathe, more 5 years of self-parator.
Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering.

According to you, a contract is good in a consultancy office on mechanical engineering with a salary of 1400 gross (about 1050 net + 80 euro renzi) ? with fourteenth. with contract employed professional study 4th indefinite level.

what I care about most is to understand if there will be chances of salary growth? (work growth certainly).
I do not want to be indeterminate to remain so for the next 10 or 20 years apart from some 100 or 200 euros more after several years due to elderly shots.

If you don't get up, send him to shit and leave. you are a junior profile take them that are good, then you will grow up and if you become good you will say law.....now head low and pedal! ! !

 

[oliofrusto]

Of course, I have accepted and I want to learn... that's why I have enrolled in this forum I'm not exactly the type that obtained graduation is believed to be superior. In fact...
Anyway thank you for now, I'll let you know when it makes me sign the actual contract and just if there's news

 

[antonio_sc]

I think it's okay.

Far from me, the denigrating of graduates would miss us... but also it's fabulous that university doesn't prepare for the world of work... so let's say it's a little bullshit?

I think like you. It is true that there are people who decide to pursue this career for pure inertia and easy money. but I also know engineers "pseudo-interdicts in the world of work" who, going abroad or in Italian companies well organized, after a structured insertion have arrived at an excellent professional level (although never had practical experiences)...so often it is all a game of words of companies that are not capable (empty for time/resources/will) to train (or at least to give you specific training ). the reasoning is as follows: "You just got out of college? perfect then you have to know everything, you have to know how to draw, design, avoid problems to assembly , avoid problems to the working department , use a pdm, independently if we build machines for coffee, industrial mills, pharmaceutical plants, auto or turbine pelton.. so the university you have made it...arranged designers by myself. but in the meantime I ask a lot of researchers of these " Really structured)... said this I think it is quite easy to attribute all the faults to the university. I know that I could be put in the gutter for what I am about to say, but according to my humble opinion part of the faults also has the Italian entrepreneurial fabric. . .

 

[mekeuro]

Of course, I have accepted and I want to learn... that's why I have enrolled in this forum I'm not exactly the type that obtained graduation is believed to be superior. In fact...
Anyway thank you for now, I'll let you know when it makes me sign the actual contract and just if there's news

I have a few years more than you, the first salaries were more or less 990 euros net in 2004 now are more than double that figure and I am going freelance to earn even more....I receive 7/8 job offers per month from recruiters and ..... you grow and you always improve! good luck and in luck to the wolf

 

[exxon]

I think no one expects that a graduate engineer knows "everything", but one cannot even demand his education to the first employers who in fact would replace school education.

In particular, it is inadmissible that a mechanical engineer, even if neolaureated, cannot read a drawing. it would be like to accept that a graduate in letters did not know how to read Italian.

 

[mekeuro]

I think no one expects that a graduate engineer knows "everything", but one cannot even demand his education to the first employers who in fact would replace school education.

In particular, it is inadmissible that a mechanical engineer, even if neolaureated, cannot read a drawing. it would be like to accept that a graduate in letters did not know how to read Italian.

I think no one expects that a graduate engineer knows "everything", but one cannot even demand his education to the first employers who in fact would replace school education.

In particular, it is inadmissible that a mechanical engineer, even if neolaureated, cannot read a drawing. it would be like to accept that a graduate in letters did not know how to read Italian.

I don't think a graduate engineer can read all the drawings, especially the axioms of complex machines. the fault is not his fault, but of the university that at least in my time had only 1 drawing examination, to the two years! If you learn to read the drawing with only one university exam, you're from nobel award! I did besides mechanical engineering, mechanical engineering and design for 5 years every day then you can expect to read drawings of simple details.
a neolaureate is a fleece with a powerful motor but in burn! mechanical design you do not learn at schools or after 1 year of work!! I have been working for 15 years as a consultant designer, working in south Italy, north and abroad, I have worked for so many companies by accumulating an experience of a station wagon and with all this I still have to improve!! Hello! !

 

[exxon]

@mekeurowe have very distant ideas.

I did five years of drawing in high school. Then I gave the drawing exam to the first year of engineering. for those who like me already knew how to draw, that exam was a walk; For those who came from classical high school, a nightmare. vice versa, analysis 1 was for me a greater gap than those coming from the scientific, where the function studies had already done them.

So? so it was the university, not the high school: was the student preparing properly for the exam. lessons, exercises, workshops, everything was there to help, not to solve any previous gaps. There was nothing guaranteed or automatic. for all years of that university (now is different), the focal point was the examination with its program: You followed or didn't follow the lessons, you bought that text, that text, or maybe both, you gathered together in group with guy or caio to do the exercises and compare the results. the goal was the learning that was certified by the exam.

Now (even at work interviews!!!) I hear apologies like "this topic we haven't dealt with", or "well, with only one exam you can't learn enough". If you've done one exam or ten: if you can read a drawing you're an engineer, if you don't know how to do it, you're one of the many with a piece of paper in your hand. I certainly don't hire you to come and fill your gaps at my expense.

In particular, on the technical design are found on the net of exceptional texts (see slides of the unifi carandine alessandro, discovered thanks to this forum) that bring you step-by-step from zero to top, in 500 pages. Didn't you do enough at university? well, you laws, studies, apply them and learn. Maybe before we go to an interview.

 

[mekeuro]

Find me a graduate fleece who can read the design of a complex machine set, I'm the nobel premium candid.
to the max you manage small parts, such as brackets, simple trees, single mechanical organs and their puts on the table and in addition some dimensioning that on that a graduate is good. but you can't expect from books to learn the drawing.
knowing how to interpret a design means having a good knowledge of the machines both those for removal of truciole, and the machines you will build.
some new graduates confuse the lathe with the peat!! I heard them with my ears.
if at universities they mix them with theory of integral differential equations, statistics without showing them a lathe, a frieze, an electroerosion to the max on the books.... what can you expect!? ! !

 

[mekeuro]

Adding

@mekeurowe have very distant ideas.

I did five years of drawing in high school. Then I gave the drawing exam to the first year of engineering. for those who like me already knew how to draw, that exam was a walk; For those who came from classical high school, a nightmare. vice versa, analysis 1 was for me a greater gap than those coming from the scientific, where the function studies had already done them.

So? so it was the university, not the high school: was the student preparing properly for the exam. lessons, exercises, workshops, everything was there to help, not to solve any previous gaps. There was nothing guaranteed or automatic. for all years of that university (now is different), the focal point was the examination with its program: You followed or didn't follow the lessons, you bought that text, that text, or maybe both, you gathered together in group with guy or caio to do the exercises and compare the results. the goal was the learning that was certified by the exam.

Now (even at work interviews!!!) I hear apologies like "this topic we haven't dealt with", or "well, with only one exam you can't learn enough". If you've done one exam or ten: if you can read a drawing you're an engineer, if you don't know how to do it, you're one of the many with a piece of paper in your hand. I certainly don't hire you to come and fill your gaps at my expense.

In particular, on the technical design are found on the net of exceptional texts (see slides of the unifi carandine alessandro, discovered thanks to this forum) that bring you step-by-step from zero to top, in 500 pages. Didn't you do enough at university? well, you laws, studies, apply them and learn. Maybe before we go to an interview.

I add when I complained that "machine construction" was only one written exam, easier than the mechanical expert state examination, plus without so many exercises, the answers were the most absurd: The engineer doesn't make calculations, that's peritum stuff.
I complained that there was only 1 mechanical drawing examination, the same answers: The engineer doesn't draw, periphery stuff! ! !
I came to the point that I didn't know what a mechanical engineer was doing! ! !
they told me: management, management, organization!! !
then when I confronted reality I understood that the engineer who designs and designs is the most sought after, perhaps because precisely there are few, since many do not have a good basic preparation they leave immediately, others throw themselves in fields like : safety, quality, process, production and maintenance or teachers at school!
I'm guilty of university at least at the time, I hope they've changed today! ! !

 

[exxon]

I was a fleece who knew how to read the drawings and also knew how to draw (and I certainly wasn't nobel candidate for this).

drawing is learned on books, not in the workshop: is a language and, as such, is pure notionism. read one of the many texts (which are nothing but the discourse transcription of the norms) and practice you to recognize every single detail on the drawings of example or maybe on others that you can find on the net today.

knowing how to interpret a design means having a good knowledge of the machines both those for removal of truciole, and the machines you will build.

I don't see why. above all, a design should not be interpreted: read as it is. if it leaves room for interpretation is a design made badly and failed its main task, that is precisely to not leave room for interpretation.

I repeat: an engineer must be able to solve differential equations e to read the drawings. if he can't do the one e The other thing, that I'm going to trade. requesting these skills is not a claim, it is the minimum union to be able to aspire to the profession that the title of study should allow it.

that then there are engineers who confuse the lathe with the peat, this cannot be assumed as an excuse to lower the minimal level acceptable to the profession. for so many graduates in that situation, there are as many that instead of going to play soccer they spent a few thousand hours watching themselves the wonderful tutorials that are on the net and even if they have never touched a lathe, they understood why it serves the exhaust throat at the end of the thread or how you center a piece on the four griffe.

for me there are no excuses: there is everything available to everyone (including forums like this!): If you know, go, if you don't know... air, come on next.

 

[exxon]

A nightmare...

you add and I quoto...

I'm guilty of university at least at the time, I hope they've changed today! ! !

It seems to me that the situation in universities has worsened and goes worse. but this is not an excuse: If it rains outside, take the umbrella, you don't get to work fray giving the blame to those who made the weather forecast the day before.

 

[mekeuro]

I do the consultant at the various establishments and the company for which I work often sends reinforcements to sell more labor to the customer....the majority are all graduates! For me the miracle is already if they know how to use the drawing program... I put them to make 2d tables, encoding drawings and some calculation. our society is a multinational so the boys arrive who from the polytechnic of torino, who from bologna, who from the south like napoli or other. depends on which region I am in!
they arrive in pump magna, super convinced to be autonomous, but at the first problem to the assembly they panic and raise their hands! but the guilt I repeat is not them, if they do not know.
I learned from books, but who trained me was the practice of 15 years and I still have so much to learn as my father says, former designer director of establishment with 40 years of service..... the last day of work said: there is always to learn! !
Greetings

 

[oliofrusto]

the difference between:
1) 1400 euro gross (nets 1130) per month for 14 monthly which I now take about 19600 gross annually.

2) 24 thousand annual gross? if not mistaken should be about 1500 for 13 monthly or wrong?
I wonder why they called me to a firm where I brought resume 1 month ago.
Among other things they have internal canteen, it is a firm in strong expansion in the last 2 years and every 6 months they make meetings to give some increase to those who engage and grow professionally.
also work in the industry that I like with possibility to learn about analysis finite elements after 2 years about whether I am interested or also move to as I would like. also unlike the office where they are now see finished products etc...

 

[meccanicamg]

24000-19600 this is the difference.
I would say that the question doesn't make much sense....what do you expect as a comment?
The more you take it, the better. But if that's not the case... the difference from me?

 

[windreef]

accepts and continues to search.
However at first the professional study is right because you do much more experience but normally pay little. then after a few years max 5 in a company will be more likely to increase your salary.
but if you have no experience you can't ask so...
It also evaluates the working environment/ colleagues ect that counts as much as the salary, they can assure you that working in an unhealthy environment with people of m....a is worse than earning less, we gain health.
cmq 1000€ an engineer are a few 1 year at the max I have to give you the increase to a pay consona clearly to your level but that you should wander at least about 1200/1300€ from there then wish you because I believe in a study of more you do not climb.
to make you understand my friend works in a private company big enough for 15 years is a tip of the ut and takes 1800€ so I don't know your idea but you will never arrive at 3000€ per month as an employee.
to earn money you really have to make up/ build something and sell it hoping that there is who buys it.

 

[windreef]

the difference between:
1) 1400 euro gross (nets 1130) per month for 14 monthly which I now take about 19600 gross annually.

2) 24 thousand annual gross? if not mistaken should be about 1500 for 13 monthly or wrong?
I wonder why they called me to a firm where I brought resume 1 month ago.
Among other things they have internal canteen, it is a firm in strong expansion in the last 2 years and every 6 months they make meetings to give some increase to those who engage and grow professionally.
also work in the industry that I like with possibility to learn about analysis finite elements after 2 years about whether I am interested or also move to as I would like. also unlike the office where they are now see finished products etc...

always accepts me

 

[carlo23]

hi to all boys, I write on this interesting forum also to ask you an opinion. I have a friend interested in the mechanical engineering course that would like to graduate, and given his age he asked me if succeeding in graduating at 43 years he could be able to find some place of work, although he did not have work experiences as a designer except the degree course he did.. thanks to everyone for the attention. .

 

[F_Ingrasciotta]

I think the post went a lot out of the way.... I try to make my contribution on the various aspects:

salary question:
the salary of the person concerned is low, and unfortunately it is an Italian standard of all small consultancy firms (usually and ccnl of the tertiary and trade). the figure of the engineer is too often diminished / devalued as if the various efforts made during the course of studies are not recognized.
do not take us around, a person coming out of the university (magistral) is already 24 years old if he has the luck and the ability to be in pairs (on some universities, the most toasts, the average duration of a magisterium is about 7/8 years), if one wants to find work and start thinking of being independent (buy house maybe?) with a salary of the genus becomes difficult if not impossible, without thinking about the carrovita thousand today (
said this I highly recommend jumping into structured multinationals who, if they are serious, already provide a good starting point and guarantee you professional growth.


question perito/engineer:
in the world of work the figure of the engineer is devalued so much that now engineers are hired to do jobs that can do the experts. I do not want to do what snobbish or feels superior but the phrase "Let's give what is to conceal" I always think it's valid.
an expert with experience is not said to be equal, in terms of knowledge, to an engineer because some aspects are treated only in courses that are developed at university. a graduate engineer must enter the company "with the feet of lead" and try to learn from everyone, of course, because he has no experience, but he must be recognized the role he has.

question university:
anyone who has done engineering, of my knowledge, has come out happy and would definitely make the experience, I do not agree minimally that the university does not prepare for the world of work, at most the neo-assum does not know the corporate mechanisms but this is discounted and is valid for anyone.
Finally, in Italy there is a lot of difference between the various universities despite providing the same type of course and therefore, depending on where one has made its own path of studies, can be much stronger/debole on certain topics.


I hope I have not read anyone's sensibility by talking about peritum/engineering differences and between the various universities, in case I apologize for the misunderstanding.

 

[stevie]

hi to all boys, I write on this interesting forum also to ask you an opinion. I have a friend interested in the mechanical engineering course that would like to graduate, and given his age he asked me if succeeding in graduating at 43 years he could be able to find some place of work, although he did not have work experiences as a designer except the degree course he did.. thanks to everyone for the attention. .

I don't know... at that age coming without any work experience is definitely a complicated situation. . .
I do not understand today the appeal of the degree in engineering in Italy when it is now known that in the majority of cases it guarantees an average job or little better.